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Post by royalemember on Nov 22, 2009 13:50:50 GMT 1
This thread is dedicated to bus routes to which companies introduced but didn`t last long and were soon axed,either because they were poorly used or went where nobody wanted to go.
I can immediately can think of one,the 97C.What was the point of re-routing an already long winded route through Tinshill? Anyway it proved so unpopular it was soon withdrawn much to the delight of the people of Horsforth.
How many other short lived routes can people think of.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Nov 22, 2009 14:20:14 GMT 1
the 94 extension to Scholes/Crossgates, from drighlington that was 2005/2006 . That was short lived after First stopped the 5 running that way at daytimes, sure that was at an hourly frequency, a lot worse than the 5 which was every 30 minutes. Then replaced by the 68/68a , lasted a lot longer, but found itself withdrawn and now the return of the 5 (new form 5A) has taken its place.
Also remember the 4A, short lived evening and sunday variant of 4C, was replaced by all eve and sun journeys turning into 4, before the FTR conversion period in 2006,
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Post by royalemember on Nov 22, 2009 14:27:54 GMT 1
I don`t think the 14 (Leeds to Bradford i think) lasted long either.I maybe wrong.
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Post by mjn on Nov 22, 2009 15:35:16 GMT 1
The 14 ran for years and years! It ran a very limited service indeed for the last 7 or 8 though.
Some thoughts popping into my head: Black Prince's X88 from Cross Gates, later Colton, to Leeds. The 63C (twice!). The 30 kept altering all the time, and I believe it had A and C variants for a very short period. All in Leeds of course.
Sure there's been a load of experimental routes, often Metro tenders, that have flopped pretty quickly also.
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Nov 22, 2009 15:37:10 GMT 1
Pride of the Road services 364 which completed with Yorkshire rider"s 363 from Huddersfield to Bradford and 646 which completed with Yorkshire Rider routes 640-644 Bradford-Buttershaw back in 1990/91. Route withdrawn when Rider bought P.O.R."s bus routes in 1991
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Nov 22, 2009 15:38:22 GMT 1
THE 14 - yes and no.
14 was part of a revamped? LEEDS-PUDSEY network (can't remember details of other services 11 13? 17?) and reintroduced daytime through LEEDS-BRADFORD via Pudsey journeys. It also served Canal Road Armley. Previous to this the BradfordMoor-Clayton 636 637 services started at Acres Hall to provide a PUDSEY-BRADFORD service.
The Black Prince 88 extended through to Bradford on a more direct route and the 14 was axed in cutbacks.
Two early morning journeys remained until recently when they were replaced by the new X11.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Nov 22, 2009 15:46:57 GMT 1
The 17 wich ran through Newlands estate in Farceley was started without asking if anyone wanted it. Apparently noone did and was quietly dropped.
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Post by royalemember on Nov 22, 2009 15:53:54 GMT 1
The Black Prince 88 didn`t last very long when First took it over.Although it`s back in another guise from Leeds to Middleton
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Post by kendall17 on Nov 22, 2009 16:59:47 GMT 1
The Black Prince 88 lasted for many years though.
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Post by Jack on Nov 22, 2009 17:01:16 GMT 1
I think what is being suggested that when First was operating the 88 on behalf of Black Prince for a month or two before Black Prince ceased trading.
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Post by SF07 on Nov 22, 2009 17:04:14 GMT 1
How about Geldard's 69 service? Started on the 19th March 2008, ended on the 19th June 2008. Some of the MetroLocal services didn't last long. All the variations (EasiRider/FairRider/Paul's Travel etc) of the 324A, 328A, 356A and 357A kept coming and going, while EasiRider and K-Line ran a joint 314A service from Holmfirth to Bradley via Huddersfield. First had the 184 re-routed to serve Hard End in Marsden for the first couple of months of its journeys to/from West Yorkshire, to replace some 350 journeys. First and HJC both ran the X36 between Halifax and Huddersfield, both of which didn't last long. Stringers had the 498 from Pontefract to Ferry Fryston, which was introduced in April and withdrawn in August. Some routes may not last long because of the company. Blue Bus had a go in West Yorkshire after having success in Bolton but weren't around long as they were worried about the First takeover of Yorkshire Rider. They use to run a 365 service from Huddersfield to Oldham to compete with YR, who then responded with another journey per hour, which meant there were 3 buses per hour between Huddersfield and Oldham! Another short lived route is the Manchester extensions of the 365 and 556/562 on Saturdays and the Huddersfield extensions of the 180/429 from Greenfield via Holmfirth. The 365 was quite an interesting route when it was extended to run from Bradford all the way to Manchester via Huddersfield and Oldham. Some other short-lived routes are mentioned on the Saddleworth Buses photos page. There was the 430 service from Bury to Holmfirth via Rochdale, Newhey, Denshaw, Uppermill and Greenfield plus the 903/904 service from Huddersfield to Oldham via Holmfirth (903) or Ashton-under-Lyne via Meltham (904). saddleworthbuses.fotopic.net |
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Post by kendall17 on Nov 22, 2009 17:44:13 GMT 1
I think what is being suggested that when First was operating the 88 on behalf of Black Prince for a month or two before Black Prince ceased trading. Agreed, it was always going to happen though, First cut most of the BP routes straight up, it was expected if you ask me. They played it quite well though 'cos now they get a tender to cover the East Leeds - St James' Hosp part that the 88 covered. |
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Post by Matty on Nov 22, 2009 18:05:00 GMT 1
First and HJC both ran the X36 between Halifax and Huddersfield, both of which didn't last long. The X36 lasted quite a few years as this was running since the late Yorkshire Rider days and was withdrawn about 2003 or somewhere near there but HJC's only lasted less than a year despite having a 50p single flat fare on the route. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Nov 22, 2009 18:18:49 GMT 1
The M60 Bradford to Trafford Centre didn't last very long
The M2/M3 Huddersfield - White Rose/Leeds also didn't last long, the M1 to Meadowhall lasted much longer though as did the M62.
Huddersfield ran some circular services 330/331/332 via Bradley/Brackenhall/Deighton and Leeds Road/Stadium. They didn't last long and only the 332 (now 200) survived
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Post by T101VWU on Nov 22, 2009 18:20:14 GMT 1
Anybody remember when the 1 was extended from Holt Park to serve Tinshill & cookridge boy that sure was exciting in a bendy down tinshill lane lol. didnt last long though.
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Post by A1YBG on Nov 22, 2009 18:34:58 GMT 1
794 run by Optional Bus (London County Livery) Ran from HoltPark-Leeds via a detour of Cookridge, Tinshill, Spen Lane and Kirkstall. Passengers didnt have a clue where this went. Took too long to get to Leeds from Holt Park or Cookridge. Passengers took one look at the bus and even drivers pulled up to tell them where they went but insisted on getting the 96. In Leeds ran to Eastgate and picked up from there (other side of the road) If it ran vis St Johns or city square may have done well. I went on this a few times as it was useful to me from Kirkstall to HoltPark as was the ONLY passenger on it in a space of a few hours. Buses ran on it was ECW Bristol REs then ended its final week with MetroRiders. Shame noone knew where it went and shame they used very old buses! First competed with this from Leeds to Queenswood Drive (SpenLane) think was service 94C or 63C?  ? |
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Post by A1YBG on Nov 22, 2009 18:40:33 GMT 1
Anybody remember when the 1 was extended from Holt Park to serve Tinshill & cookridge boy that sure was exciting in a bendy down tinshill lane lol. didnt last long though. Another "1" reroute was when it went round the HoltPark Estate (if u call it that) it went to Asda then went round HoltDale Approach and back what a waste that was. (thats from asda to water tower and down to the Eyrie pub and back).Although tookless than 2 mins passengers were fed up of waiting for it to arrive back if it did to get on it to Leeds! |
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Post by SF07 on Nov 22, 2009 20:07:16 GMT 1
The M60 Bradford to Trafford Centre didn't last very long The M2/M3 Huddersfield - White Rose/Leeds also didn't last long, the M1 to Meadowhall lasted much longer though as did the M62. Huddersfield ran some circular services 330/331/332 via Bradley/Brackenhall/Deighton and Leeds Road/Stadium. They didn't last long and only the 332 (now 200) survived No, the M60 didn't last long. Started out running from Bradford to Trafford Centre via Halifax and Manchester, then changed to run between Halifax and Trafford Centre calling at Manchester from Halifax only and then was withdrawn within 6 months or so and replaced by the 561, which was extended from Rishworth to Trafford Centre via the old 562 route to the M62 motorway, then straight down the M62/M60 motorway and that route also didn't last long either. The M60 service was a good route in principal in Manchester, as it offered an express service to the Trafford Centre, which Manchester hasn't really had until recently with the X50. The only problem with the M60 was that it just wasn't well-used. I got on it in Manchester once and I don't think the passenger numbers were in double numbers. |
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Post by 77syk7 on Nov 22, 2009 20:43:24 GMT 1
This is a very interesting thread and maybe this could be split into areas - otherwise it may become unwieldly.
As a Calderdale resident, I am particularly interested in all routes which have operated in that area.
Just as a little 'teaser' - does anybody know who ran Route 99 in Halifax and 2nd part where did it run to? (I feel this should deserve a prize!)
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Post by Matty on Nov 22, 2009 21:00:19 GMT 1
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Post by puggy on Nov 22, 2009 21:36:26 GMT 1
The X62 (Yorkshire Traction) - Much better than the 202/203 (at least on the Leeds-Dewsbury leg) though the problem was that it always ran late especially on a Saturday
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Post by royalemember on Nov 22, 2009 21:48:38 GMT 1
The 63 didn`t last long when First stopped it going to Drighlington.Arriva took it up on a use it or lose it basis.Needless to say a few months later it was dropped as it was deemed the people of Drighlington were not using it.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Nov 22, 2009 22:26:39 GMT 1
The 63 didn`t last long when First stopped it going to Drighlington.Arriva took it up on a use it or lose it basis.Needless to say a few months later it was dropped as it was deemed the people of Drighlington were not using it. No it wasn't dropped by Arriva because nobody used it, it just got incorporated into the revised 209 service. It was intentional for this to be a temporary service until it could be proved viable for Metro to fund a long term replacement (the 209). |
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Post by SF07 on Nov 23, 2009 0:47:21 GMT 1
A short-lived route or rather route extension was when the 343 and 537/538 were extended from Huddersfield to Upper Heaton a few years ago, replacing the 373 before being replaced six months later with the 317.
Another was the 327 being extended to Lowerhouses replacing the 358 (and 359) only for the 358 to return. Looks like that First Calderdale & Huddersfield don't really favour cross-town routes, given the only ones are the 328, 370/371 and 372 in Huddersfield and 541/542 in Halifax.
You can find a few services by trawling through the Bus Changes section of the West Yorkshire Buses website. Going back over the years, there were
HJC:
*511-514 Mixenden-Calderdale Royal Hospital via Halifax
*X21 Mixenden-Leeds via Halifax and Odsal
*X79 Sowerby-Leeds via Halifax and Odsal
*X92 Todmorden-Calderdale Royal Hospital via Halifax
Yorkshire Traction:
*265 Huddersfield-Marsden
*270 Huddersfield-Rawthorpe
*X61 Huddersfield-Leeds
First:
*325 Huddersfield-Meltham (similar to 321 but different route in Meltham)
*562 - extended to Royton, replacing First Manchester service 413. Within the year, the service was withdrawn completely.
*596 Todmorden-Portsmouth
*787 York-Leeds
Geldards:
752 Clarence Dock-Kirkstall via Leeds
K-Line/Huddersfield Bus:
*261/263 Huddersfield-Upper Heaton
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Post by 158757 on Nov 23, 2009 2:43:57 GMT 1
I remember the M2/M3 routes, never went on it but always had a Plaxton Derwent B10M on them. I'm still annoyed that First withdrew the M1, it was a really useful bus considering it took 45 minutes vs the 1.5 hours on the train. It started out with Lances (the sound of them on the motorway was awesome!!) but in later years became staple B10M's. At Christmas the bus was almost full.
Another short lived route-380/381 extension to Clifton. Also the 225/255 in recent years. Chopped and changed to go to Elland to Brighouse to Halifax to Elland and so on, replacing the 278 from Brighouse-Halifax for some time too.
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