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Post by jxke_0731 on Mar 18, 2024 18:51:50 GMT 1
The clue is in the announcement - "very few people have been using it". I suspect that it won't ever return. The road closure is just a good excuse to bring it to an end (again). If you read it a bit closer, it says that it hasn't been used as much due to the diversion, which is evident. The diversion takes significantly longer and cannot go on the road that the route is numbered after, missing out numerous stops that hikers and day trippers would be using. I doubt it will be the end of the route as whenever I have used it, it has had a decent patronage. |
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Post by dlspotter on Mar 18, 2024 18:56:47 GMT 1
The clue is in the announcement - "very few people have been using it". I suspect that it won't ever return. The road closure is just a good excuse to bring it to an end (again). Very few people have been using it because it's dropped from 4 round trips a day to 2 a day and the travel duration has lengthened |
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Post by joseph on Mar 18, 2024 21:17:10 GMT 1
One thing for sure with the 59, with very few people using the service on it's diverted route then North Yorkshire Council have a valid argument that it's defo a tourist route rather than an essential route meaning it doesn't qualify for bus pass reimbursement when it returns to it's old route.
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Post by WYBS on Mar 18, 2024 21:29:28 GMT 1
So much fuss kicked up about 59. Christ.
It'll return when the roadworks have finished. There's not some sort conspiracy going on...
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Post by rwilkes on Mar 18, 2024 22:34:09 GMT 1
Before the road closure it was very busy. The diversion was unpopualr as only 3 return trips
It may be a slow restart but I am sure it will do well
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Post by deerfold on Mar 18, 2024 22:48:56 GMT 1
One thing for sure with the 59, with very few people using the service on it's diverted route then North Yorkshire Council have a valid argument that it's defo a tourist route rather than an essential route meaning it doesn't qualify for bus pass reimbursement when it returns to it's old route. Although on its diverted route it doesn't serve most of the communities on the normal route, so you'd expect a huge drop in passengers. |
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Post by joseph on Mar 18, 2024 22:52:21 GMT 1
One thing for sure with the 59, with very few people using the service on it's diverted route then North Yorkshire Council have a valid argument that it's defo a tourist route rather than an essential route meaning it doesn't qualify for bus pass reimbursement when it returns to it's old route. Although on its diverted route it doesn't serve most of the communities on the normal route, so you'd expect a huge drop in passengers. Apart from Harrogate and Skipton suburbs it doesn't serve much else in between, Blubberhouses consists of just a scattering of homes, Bolton Bridge the same, it's defo a route just used for leisure purposes. |
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Post by SCH117X on Mar 18, 2024 23:41:52 GMT 1
Fundamentally its not an April service change so the last couple of pages largely are off thread and should be moved or deleted.
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Post by deerfold on Mar 18, 2024 23:43:22 GMT 1
Although on its diverted route it doesn't serve most of the communities on the normal route, so you'd expect a huge drop in passengers. Apart from Harrogate and Skipton suburbs it doesn't serve much else in between, Blubberhouses consists of just a scattering of homes, Bolton Bridge the same, it's defo a route just used for leisure purposes. Leisure and tourist aren't synonymous. I've used it for leisure purposes - on a Saturday it's quicker to get a bus into Skipton then the 59, than my alternatives, via Otley with poor connections or via Leeds (horrendously slowly on the bus or just quite slowly on the train). |
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Post by deerfold on Mar 18, 2024 23:44:20 GMT 1
Fundamentally its not an April service change so the last couple of pages largely are off thread and should be moved or deleted. Or people should just ignore lucyp's trolling. If she needs to ignore the facts or half a statement to wind people up, she will. |
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Post by rwilkes on Mar 18, 2024 23:59:53 GMT 1
Apart from Harrogate and Skipton suburbs it doesn't serve much else in between, Blubberhouses consists of just a scattering of homes, Bolton Bridge the same, it's defo a route just used for leisure purposes. Leisure and tourist aren't synonymous. I've used it for leisure purposes - on a Saturday it's quicker to get a bus into Skipton then the 59, than my alternatives, via Otley with poor connections or via Leeds (horrendously slowly on the bus or just quite slowly on the train). It is mostly used by people going end to end A few hikers like me us it for the places in between. It is a great route for hikers but not enough know about it, despite Trandev publicity. There are connections, including trains, from Leeds, Bradofrd, Keighely, Burnley and Preston I catch it by using the Skipton train. You can walk from anywhere between Bolton Bridge and Blubberhouses to Adddingham Ilkley and Otley with many different routes. |
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Post by SCH117X on Mar 19, 2024 9:25:59 GMT 1
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Post by jimmi on Mar 20, 2024 0:11:59 GMT 1
It is mostly used by people going end to end A few hikers like me us it for the places in between. It is a great route for hikers but not enough know about it, despite Trandev publicity. There are connections, including trains, from Leeds, Bradofrd, Keighely, Burnley and Preston I catch it by using the Skipton train. You can walk from anywhere between Bolton Bridge and Blubberhouses to Adddingham Ilkley and Otley with many different routes. I have used the 59 a good few times as its just as simple for me to use the 74 & 59 to reach Skipton than faffing on changing trains in Leeds and its a nice route. You would get some that would board along the other stops as you leave Harrogate, not just the Bus Station which aren't covered on the diversionary, there's times you do actually get passengers boarding/alighting at the likes of Blubberhouses and you would get some heading to Bolton Bridge (still accessible by the 74), on the whole though, much of the travel is Harrogate to Skipton, seemingly mostly shoppers but do get walkers and bus enthusiasts too. Think the lack of flexibility of time that can be spent in Skipton is also off-putting to many, I'd struggle to find enough to do in Skipton for 6 hours. Dalesbus are adamant that it will return once the road reopens, just a shame that it looks as if this won't be soon, last indication was after Easter but updates since suggest this could go on for months given works don't seem to have started. |
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Post by peteleeds on Mar 20, 2024 9:15:54 GMT 1
Just received below in a email from first leeds about service over easter
"Other service changes
• We will be adding additional journeys on services 48 and 62 from Monday 15th April
• The Amazon A1 service will be removed from Monday 1st April
You can find a summary of these changes and timetables on the website."
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Post by martinsfp on Mar 20, 2024 9:33:16 GMT 1
Just received below in a email from first leeds about service over easter "Other service changes • We will be adding additional journeys on services 48 and 62 from Monday 15th April • The Amazon A1 service will be removed from Monday 1st April You can find a summary of these changes and timetables on the website." The 48 to Wigton Moor is coming back?! |
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Post by SCH117X on Mar 23, 2024 20:53:09 GMT 1
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Post by dlspotter on Mar 24, 2024 23:39:20 GMT 1
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Post by stevieinselby on Mar 24, 2024 23:56:10 GMT 1
(Slightly confusing presentation on that website, which makes it look as though they are proposing a new consultation with those changes!) The idea of a bus from Selby to Doncaster is irrelevant. There is a train every 2 hours that does the journey in 15 minutes – pretty much nobody is going to catch a bus that takes 1h40. What there might well be a case for is buses from Askern & Norton to Selby, and buses from Eggborough & Whitley to Doncaster, and it might be that the most efficient way to deliver those overlapping journeys is with a bus running through from Selby to Doncaster, but that is subtly different! |
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Post by joseph on Mar 25, 2024 6:49:23 GMT 1
(Slightly confusing presentation on that website, which makes it look as though they are proposing a new consultation with those changes!) The idea of a bus from Selby to Doncaster is irrelevant. There is a train every 2 hours that does the journey in 15 minutes – pretty much nobody is going to catch a bus that takes 1h40. What there might well be a case for is buses from Askern & Norton to Selby, and buses from Eggborough & Whitley to Doncaster, and it might be that the most efficient way to deliver those overlapping journeys is with a bus running through from Selby to Doncaster, but that is subtly different! I'd say there would be quite a few based on bus fare v train fare with the current £2 each way, defo pass holders would. |
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Post by stevieinselby on Mar 25, 2024 11:36:08 GMT 1
I'd say there would be quite a few based on bus fare v train fare with the current £2 each way, defo pass holders would. Running a service purely for people who travel on a free pass and don't want to pay for the train is rarely a winning strategy. If you're not getting any paying passengers then you're not going to cover your costs, we've seen it over and over again. If there had been enough passholders travelling to justify the service then Arriva wouldn't have withdrawn it 🤷🏻♂️ A return train fare is under £10 off-peak, with the bus fare cap you're saving £6 at a cost of 3 hours of your time, I don't think many people would consider that a worthwhile trade-off. |
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Post by joseph on Mar 25, 2024 18:37:37 GMT 1
I'd say there would be quite a few based on bus fare v train fare with the current £2 each way, defo pass holders would. Running a service purely for people who travel on a free pass and don't want to pay for the train is rarely a winning strategy. If you're not getting any paying passengers then you're not going to cover your costs, we've seen it over and over again. If there had been enough passholders travelling to justify the service then Arriva wouldn't have withdrawn it 🤷🏻♂️ A return train fare is under £10 off-peak, with the bus fare cap you're saving £6 at a cost of 3 hours of your time, I don't think many people would consider that a worthwhile trade-off. Well, if you can attract many regular train users with those sort of savings it would work well, say someone using the train 3 to 4 days a week for example who wouldn't find a train season ticket any value. Factor in as well the cost of a season ticket on the bus versus one on the train and I bet some big savings can be made there too. Also, the train is very sporadic with large gaps, e.g Doncaster to Selby is at 15.28, 17.28, 19.10, 20.24 etc where as an hourly bus wins over the train frequency. Then you've got train strikes which although not affecting Hull Trains who run this route, do affect it in another sense when people travel from York to Selby to use Hull Trains as an alternative to LNER for example leading to crowding issues. Arriva may have withdrawn the route but it does have many positives if promoted well. |
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Post by stevieinselby on Mar 25, 2024 19:03:14 GMT 1
Also, the train is very sporadic with large gaps, e.g Doncaster to Selby is at 15.28, 17.28, 19.10, 20.24 etc where as an hourly bus wins over the train frequency. I would rather wait an hour and get a train that got me home in 15 minutes (time from now, 1h15) than a bus that departs now but takes 1h45 (time from now, 1h45). The window where it could be possible to be home sooner by getting the bus is narrow even if the timetable is optimised for it, which it never would be, and anyone capable of planning will just arrange not to travel at those times. As evidenced by the fact that the bus was withdrawn because not enough people were using it. |
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Post by stevieinselby on Mar 28, 2024 15:07:36 GMT 1
NYC have finally updated their "upcoming changes" page with the April changes, and it's something of a dog's dinner, with any services that have a change of operator being listed twice, and several entries not making sense, including: - 81, new East Yorkshire service replacing CastleLine, but route description is for Lonsdale Buses 81. - 59 and 864 Dalesbus, reference to summer timetable, but these are all-year services. One bit of good news is that the Dales & District 73 is going back up to roughly every half hour, although exact headways are a bit hit-and-miss at times, to accommodate a couple of journeys running as 53 and diverting via Leeming village and Londonderry en route (replacing the Hodgsons 53), and as is common with these kind of routes there are some hour gaps. It's reassuring to see that they haven't completely given up, although they do give the impression that their online presence is managed entirely by someone's grandad when it's raining too much to go to the allotment, with the website still not even mentioning the RS1 that they started running a year ago, and posts on Facebook like this 😳  |
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Post by deerfold on Mar 28, 2024 15:15:55 GMT 1
NYC have finally updated their "upcoming changes" page with the April changes, and it's something of a dog's dinner, with any services that have a change of operator being listed twice, and several entries not making sense, including: - 81, new East Yorkshire service replacing CastleLine, but route description is for Lonsdale Buses 81. - 59 and 864 Dalesbus, reference to summer timetable, but these are all-year services. There are changes to the 864 for Summer, though, with minor timing changes and the 1730 from Skipton becoming an 873. |
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Post by stevieinselby on Mar 28, 2024 15:31:04 GMT 1
There are changes to the 864 for Summer, though, with minor timing changes and the 1730 from Skipton becoming an 873. Isn't that just a timetable change, though? It's only a summer timetable if it's going to revert back to what it has been up to now in October... |
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