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Post by stephen01 on Oct 3, 2022 21:09:13 GMT 1
A full sized bus on the 61 would be a bit overkill wouldn’t it? really when Connexions used a Scania Omnicity namely K300 RSA
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Post by BusmanBry on Oct 3, 2022 21:15:38 GMT 1
Where does the 61 go from and to if thats ok to ask?.
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Post by Dom on Oct 3, 2022 21:24:46 GMT 1
Where does the 61 go from and to if thats ok to ask?. St James’ Hospital to John Charles stadium. They have also got school routes and I believe some rail rep work. Two lads who ‘own’ it are lads who I’ve worked with before and know the ins and outs of the bus industry. Wish them the best of luck. They are advertising for drivers as well, if anyone is looking for work.
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Post by BusmanBry on Oct 3, 2022 21:26:53 GMT 1
Hi Dom,
Its good to get a reply from you with regards the new bus company. How do they cover all their work with just 2 buses?.
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Oct 3, 2022 22:01:09 GMT 1
Service 255 looks to be interworking with service 571 at Halifax Service 260 is interworking with the 378 in Huddersfield Service 261 is interworking with the 377 in Huddersfield Although the latter two may only be partially as the 260 had a double deck on which went in and back out as the 260 with the solo staying on the 378 for another round trip with both 260 & 261 interworking with 271. Whilst Dewsbury depot are running 250 and it's interworking with 230/230 and using 1001 & 1057. Yes, 255 interworking with 571, some 260's with 378, and 261 with 377. The decker, depending what time was seen on 260, could've come off one of the K81. Was a bad 1st day on 377/378's, someone allocated a 1400 instead of a Solo on one of the boards, so that didn't run any of its 377's, then there was no driver for another board. Also a 255 was pulled off at Cleck at 1430, no driver, so Cleck - Halifax picking up Whitcliffe Mount kids didn't run and then it's 2 round trips on 571 didn't run.
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Post by stephen01 on Oct 3, 2022 22:22:32 GMT 1
with both 260 & 261 interworking with 271. Whilst Dewsbury depot are running 250 and it's interworking with 230/230 and using 1001 & 1057. Yes, 255 interworking with 571, some 260's with 378, and 261 with 377. The decker, depending what time was seen on 260, could've come off one of the K81. Was a bad 1st day on 377/378's, someone allocated a 1400 instead of a Solo on one of the boards, so that didn't run any of its 377's, then there was no driver for another board. Also a 255 was pulled off at Cleck at 1430, no driver, so Cleck - Halifax picking up Whitcliffe Mount kids didn't run and then it's 2 round trips on 571 didn't run. the decker did indeed come of 2 of the school routes. It sounds like the planning of Heckmondwike and even Wakefield's new running boards clearly haven't been designed to factor in delays.
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Oct 4, 2022 4:29:47 GMT 1
Service 255 looks to be interworking with service 571 at Halifax Service 260 is interworking with the 378 in Huddersfield Service 261 is interworking with the 377 in Huddersfield Although the latter two may only be partially as the 260 had a double deck on which went in and back out as the 260 with the solo staying on the 378 for another round trip with both 260 & 261 interworking with 271. Whilst Dewsbury depot are running 250 and it's interworking with 230/230 and using 1001 & 1057. Dewsbury run 250 during day, Hecky evenings and Sundays
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Post by stephen01 on Oct 4, 2022 9:06:51 GMT 1
with both 260 & 261 interworking with 271. Whilst Dewsbury depot are running 250 and it's interworking with 230/230 and using 1001 & 1057. Dewsbury run 250 during day, Hecky evenings and Sundays can deckers go around 377/378
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Post by Username on Oct 4, 2022 17:49:36 GMT 1
Dewsbury run 250 during day, Hecky evenings and Sundays can deckers go around 377/378 They will struggle with parked cars if they do.
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Oct 5, 2022 8:29:36 GMT 1
Dewsbury run 250 during day, Hecky evenings and Sundays can deckers go around 377/378 NO to Deckers and Singles. Only Solos allowed on 377/378, on Monday, a 1400 was allocated, so that each time ended up being parked up and service lost at Huddersfield end
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Post by adam on Oct 5, 2022 11:05:21 GMT 1
I noticed today that the 425 has become the 'Tong Street Line'
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Post by stantheman on Oct 7, 2022 0:32:03 GMT 1
Arriva’s service changes have gone down like a lead balloon with customers. Social media is absolutely rife with complaints from all over the county.
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Post by adam on Oct 7, 2022 3:34:01 GMT 1
Arriva’s service changes have gone down like a lead balloon with customers. Social media is absolutely rife with complaints from all over the county. I dont think it's also helped with some of the bus stops (the ones that were lucky enough to get a timetable put up) still have the old times unfortunate people don't realise that it's not arriva that issue the timetables at bus stops
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Post by yorkslad on Oct 7, 2022 22:05:28 GMT 1
Arriva’s service changes have gone down like a lead balloon with customers. Social media is absolutely rife with complaints from all over the county. I dont think it's also helped with some of the bus stops (the ones that were lucky enough to get a timetable put up) still have the old times unfortunate people don't realise that it's not arriva that issue the timetables at bus stops True, but it takes time to get these things produced and sent out. Easy enough when there were only six timetable changes each year, now we're having 12-ish, and the October changes seem very last-minute as the proposed changes when the Bus Recovery Grant thing was thought to be ending have been unwound. So in a way... it is Arriva's fault. And the other operators.
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Post by yorkslad on Oct 8, 2022 17:11:43 GMT 1
That said above, I'm just having a beef with First. Their app said my bus was due to leave at 1407 - it was at least three minutes early. From a timing stop. If, according to the response I got, "buses can leave up to five minutes eary or five minutes late", missing timetables in shelters doesn't matter - drivers won't obey them.
(Yes, I know that's nonsense, but it's a logical consequence of their response; and as I've missed a medical appointment I'm on the warpath.)
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Post by Penfold on Oct 9, 2022 19:01:22 GMT 1
Arriva’s service changes have gone down like a lead balloon with customers. Social media is absolutely rife with complaints from all over the county. Todays 1615 110 out of LCBS with a full standing load. Some said they werent going to attempt to get on and were waiting for next one ! Penfold
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Post by stephen01 on Oct 9, 2022 20:11:40 GMT 1
Arriva’s service changes have gone down like a lead balloon with customers. Social media is absolutely rife with complaints from all over the county. Todays 1615 110 out of LCBS with a full standing load. Some said they werent going to attempt to get on and were waiting for next one ! Penfold As daft but logical as it sounds but have the planning team and management actually been out "on the ground" (as the saying goes) to see how the current timetables (at the time) function/prove reliable before implementing changes that will have patrons up in arms as these last several service changes would prove otherwise.
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Post by kendall17 on Oct 9, 2022 21:02:41 GMT 1
Todays 1615 110 out of LCBS with a full standing load. Some said they werent going to attempt to get on and were waiting for next one ! Penfold As daft but logical as it sounds but have the planning team and management actually been out "on the ground" (as the saying goes) to see how the current timetables (at the time) function/prove reliable before implementing changes that will have patrons up in arms as these last several service changes would prove otherwise. Why would they? They have all the data on their screen.
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Post by WYBS on Oct 9, 2022 22:06:40 GMT 1
As daft but logical as it sounds but have the planning team and management actually been out "on the ground" (as the saying goes) to see how the current timetables (at the time) function/prove reliable before implementing changes that will have patrons up in arms as these last several service changes would prove otherwise. Why would they? They have all the data on their screen. Nowt like getting out and interacting with the customers who pay your wages and understanding their needs, suggestions and complaints. You can have all the journey data in the world, but it doesn't give you any insight into the atmosphere amongst customers and staff.
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Post by stephen01 on Oct 9, 2022 22:28:57 GMT 1
As daft but logical as it sounds but have the planning team and management actually been out "on the ground" (as the saying goes) to see how the current timetables (at the time) function/prove reliable before implementing changes that will have patrons up in arms as these last several service changes would prove otherwise. Why would they? They have all the data on their screen. To get actual live data and see the issues/successes themseleves. Seems like nearly every other operator, including First & Transdev, have the bosses muck in and see things both driver & passenger perspective. Digital data can only be used so much without any practical on the ground action and lately these service changes from Arriva have been done just of the digital data without been live reseaech hence why yet again the passengers are up in arms over the handling of it all.
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Post by kendall17 on Oct 9, 2022 22:37:34 GMT 1
Why would they? They have all the data on their screen. Nowt like getting out and interacting with the customers who pay your wages and understanding their needs, suggestions and complaints. You can have all the journey data in the world, but it doesn't give you any insight into the atmosphere amongst customers and staff. Oh absolutely, but the post was about timetables and how they're working. Not sure what difference being on the ground would make on this topic. Heck, the we can manage it off bus times on the X98/99 thread.
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Post by twy7 on Oct 9, 2022 23:19:59 GMT 1
Why would they? They have all the data on their screen. To get actual live data and see the issues/successes themseleves. Seems like nearly every other operator, including First & Transdev, have the bosses muck in and see things both driver & passenger perspective. Digital data can only be used so much without any practical on the ground action and lately these service changes from Arriva have been done just of the digital data without been live reseaech hence why yet again the passengers are up in arms over the handling of it all. How do you know that they do not do this? I know arriva and transdev bosses do meet passenger at event because I have been to them and some only just the other week but I have never seen one promote by first.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 9, 2022 23:34:21 GMT 1
Why would they? They have all the data on their screen. To get actual live data and see the issues/successes themseleves. Seems like nearly every other operator, including First & Transdev, have the bosses muck in and see things both driver & passenger perspective. Digital data can only be used so much without any practical on the ground action and lately these service changes from Arriva have been done just of the digital data without been live reseaech hence why yet again the passengers are up in arms over the handling of it all. Would they not just arrive back in the boardroom with research that everyone wants all the buses they already have, plus others on top, running more frequently and across more of the day which is presumably not the goal they set out to achieve If 30 people used to catch a bus before COVID, but now it’s only 10, meeting those 10 in person wouldn’t serve much of a purpose, they are hardly going to agree to their bus being axed
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Oct 10, 2022 8:03:59 GMT 1
Nowt like getting out and interacting with the customers who pay your wages and understanding their needs, suggestions and complaints. You can have all the journey data in the world, but it doesn't give you any insight into the atmosphere amongst customers and staff. Oh absolutely, but the post was about timetables and how they're working. Not sure what difference being on the ground would make on this topic. Heck, the we can manage it off bus times on the X98/99 thread. This is a discussion I often have with our senior managers, the data tells you there is a problem but won't tell you exactly what the problem is - for that you need to know the route, though for this problem it is less about talking to customers. For instance the issue mentioned around the roundabout where the normal route backs up due to it not clearing but a parallel road flows better so cutting across fixes the problem better than adding lots of time in. Sometimes it is a simple reliability issue where you just use the data to identify how to redistribute the times though even there you need to know the route well enough to understand what impact your changes will have and what you can do. As a scheduler myself I always try and travel on as many of our routes as possible so I understand the basic geographical & infrastructional constraints we are dealing with but if you are dealing with multiple depots over a decent sized area then it will always be difficult to experience all the journeys so you are always reliant to some extent on your Ops colleagues identifying & explaining the specific issues that you need to fix as they deal with the drivers and hear their problems. Once you have spotted the problem from the data & identified the causes from on the ground knowledge you can then sort out the solution by combining the two.
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Post by stantheman on Oct 25, 2022 15:19:30 GMT 1
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