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Post by moorside on Aug 15, 2022 20:57:58 GMT 1
Hi all. Apologies if this has already been covered in another thread: I haven't seen anything on here but I have been away a bit so might have missed it. But my msn feed produced an article from the Daily Mirror about cuts to bus services when the Government post-Covid funding runs out in October, and mentioned these
"Areas where bus services face the axe include...
SOUTH YORKSHIRE: 69 routes face reduction or cancellation with 51 to be withdrawn completely, including 46 in Sheffield. Only 10 commercial services would run after 10pm from October. South Rotherham, Barnsley, Penistone, Maltby, Edlington and Braithwell all hit by service cuts.
WEST YORKSHIRE: First and Arriva spelt out plans to reduce or withdraw 100 routes, including 26 fully withdrawn and 25 with major evening reductions - most of them with no service after 7pm."
Does anybody know anything about these proposals? I would imagine that some negotiating might be going on about this?
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Post by joseph on Aug 15, 2022 21:09:15 GMT 1
The frustrating thing is someone knows the routes that are to be affected but aren't publishing it, why? Surely it then gives communities chance to either sort out alternative funding sources, or lobby their MP to put pressure on government to fund them. Up in the Hawes/Leyburn area, the community funds the bus service themselves, same too for Upper Wharfedale and I think Western Dales Bus is similarly funded.
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Post by mattb7tl on Aug 15, 2022 23:11:01 GMT 1
Is it only those companies making those cuts? If that is the case, I have to ask if this is more about those routes not making the profits they prefer instead of them being unsuccessful?
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Post by Username on Aug 15, 2022 23:21:46 GMT 1
I hope the 586 evening run is not cancelled as that's the only service in the evening I can rely on to get home and I know plenty of people who have just been to the pub using it and they can't drive because of alcohol use.
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 15, 2022 23:45:05 GMT 1
I've actually asked her tonight can the list be published ASAP so people can make contingency plans especially after the collapse of CT Plus Yorkshire
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Post by moorside on Aug 16, 2022 2:32:45 GMT 1
I've actually asked her tonight can the list be published ASAP so people can make contingency plans especially after the collapse of CT Plus Yorkshire Asked who? Tracy Brabin?
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 16, 2022 10:01:45 GMT 1
I've actually asked her tonight can the list be published ASAP so people can make contingency plans especially after the collapse of CT Plus Yorkshire Asked who? Tracy Brabin? yes as she's sent a group letter to Johnson & Shapps about it and tweet. There's uproar too.
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Post by mattb7tl on Aug 16, 2022 13:01:04 GMT 1
Is it only those companies making those cuts? If that is the case, I have to ask if this is more about those routes not making the profits they prefer instead of them being unsuccessful? Transdev is not making any cuts! Maybe the tweet about passenger numbers fully recovering wasn't just marketing, the mention of replacing the routes that are getting cut is also pretty exciting.
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Post by andy1 on Aug 16, 2022 15:15:32 GMT 1
Yes, good chance Saint Alex will step in and save the day , but remember one crucial thing , Team Pennine and the Idle operation , are on considerably less pay than the majority of First and Arriva drivers ,so overheads will be considerably cheaper ! i accept the Keighley operations are on a comparable pay structure , but it will undoubtedly be TP who operate any replacements .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 15:39:59 GMT 1
Probably will just result in TP taking over more evening journeys on services around Halifax/Huddersfield with daytime journeys remaining with thier current operator,similar to what already happens on the likes of 321,356,358 apart from routes where its cheaper to pay the current operator de minimis payments. I'm assuming First/Arriva wanting de minimis payments rather than journeys going out to tender is one of the reasons why they have not made it public yet what routes are at risk.
I'm assuming the routes in North Kirklees & Wakefield would be most at risk,as they've had the Quadruple whammy of being hit with Covid,Cancellations,Sunday Service on a Saturday & the strike. For Leeds i'm guessing we'd most likely see evening services reduced to hourly (if not already there) on most if not all the 'core network' routes.
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Post by mattb7tl on Aug 16, 2022 15:55:49 GMT 1
Yes, good chance Saint Alex will step in and save the day , but remember one crucial thing , Team Pennine and the Idle operation , are on considerably less pay than the majority of First and Arriva drivers ,so overheads will be considerably cheaper ! i accept the Keighley operations are on a comparable pay structure , but it will undoubtedly be TP who operate any replacements . One of the posts comparing wages from the last strike show that there really isn't much of a difference? I also don't want to appear like a fanboy. I've been mostly positive about Team Pennine. However, I don't see them as some kind of holy grail and magical company! They've got their issues like any other bus company. Post about wages: travelwestyorks.proboards.com/post/119396/thread
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Post by andy1 on Aug 16, 2022 17:21:58 GMT 1
It does not show the higher rates of pay the majority of FWY and Arriva drivers receive , these are new starter rates, which at Team Pennine remain the same with no progression onto higher rates .
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Post by jus363 on Aug 16, 2022 18:24:38 GMT 1
Is it only those companies making those cuts? If that is the case, I have to ask if this is more about those routes not making the profits they prefer instead of them being unsuccessful? Transdev is not making any cuts! Maybe the tweet about passenger numbers fully recovering wasn't just marketing, the mention of replacing the routes that are getting cut is also pretty exciting. They already have started to make cuts they pulled the plug on the two services to Wainstalls
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Post by kendall17 on Aug 16, 2022 19:51:30 GMT 1
I've actually asked her tonight can the list be published ASAP so people can make contingency plans especially after the collapse of CT Plus Yorkshire On the otherhand, releasing the routes now could be scaremongering if no routes are axed or plans are finalised.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 16, 2022 22:07:31 GMT 1
I've actually asked her tonight can the list be published ASAP so people can make contingency plans especially after the collapse of CT Plus Yorkshire On the otherhand, releasing the routes now could be scaremongering if no routes are axed or plans are finalised. You also can’t trust the click bait local papers to report it properly. Every listed service would be reported as being axed entirely which would cause panic.
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Post by peter44 on Aug 16, 2022 22:19:12 GMT 1
They already have started to make cuts they pulled the plug on the two services to Wainstalls The Wainstalls services were contracted by WYCA...it was their decision to shift them into the 510/512
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Post by kendall17 on Aug 17, 2022 8:37:16 GMT 1
On the otherhand, releasing the routes now could be scaremongering if no routes are axed or plans are finalised. You also can’t trust the click bait local papers to report it properly. Every listed service would be reported as being axed entirely which would cause panic. You'll also lose passengers now as they start to make alternative plans, which may mean the service is canned earlier than planned.
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Post by astradyne on Aug 17, 2022 15:51:58 GMT 1
I've actually asked her tonight can the list be published ASAP so people can make contingency plans especially after the collapse of CT Plus Yorkshire Asked who? Tracy Brabin? She has to be very careful how she handles this, as you can see the bus companies firmly blaming her for the £2 max single journey, if she goes hard after them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 16:19:30 GMT 1
She has to be very careful how she handles this, as you can see the bus companies firmly blaming her for the £2 max single journey, if she goes hard after them. They won't be able to,as there is funding for the £2 max fares meaning operators won't be taking any financial hit for at least the first year.
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Post by astradyne on Aug 17, 2022 16:36:38 GMT 1
She has to be very careful how she handles this, as you can see the bus companies firmly blaming her for the £2 max single journey, if she goes hard after them. They won't be able to,as there is funding for the £2 max fares meaning operators won't be taking any financial hit for at least the first year. You honestly think they will receive 100% of the revenue they lost?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 17:09:13 GMT 1
They won't be able to,as there is funding for the £2 max fares meaning operators won't be taking any financial hit for at least the first year. You honestly think they will receive 100% of the revenue they lost? The funding for the first year is £8million (they was wanting funding for 3 years,but not sure if they got the full £24mill) what should be enough to cover the gap between current fares & the new £2 cap (the current highest fare for within West Yorkshire is £3.50 i think?),not forgetting there are already fares for under £2 & First offer £2 singles on the APP so the funding won't be needed for every current fare. Plus the idea is it will increase passenger numbers that will also help fill in the gap as well,so if (although unlikely) we do see decent growth it means the funding won't be needed as much.
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Post by Username on Aug 17, 2022 21:49:09 GMT 1
Transdev is not making any cuts! Maybe the tweet about passenger numbers fully recovering wasn't just marketing, the mention of replacing the routes that are getting cut is also pretty exciting. They already have started to make cuts they pulled the plug on the two services to Wainstalls Because nobody ever used the Wainstalls bus. First bus might even pull out of it accept for the journeys on the 512. I used to see 514 buses not picking up between Asda and Wainstalls.
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Post by jus363 on Aug 17, 2022 22:05:49 GMT 1
They already have started to make cuts they pulled the plug on the two services to Wainstalls Because nobody ever used the Wainstalls bus. First bus might even pull out of it accept for the journeys on the 512. I used to see 514 buses not picking up between Asda and Wainstalls. Plenty using it now it’s going straight up Pelion lane and being an extra bus to Mixenden
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Post by jus363 on Aug 17, 2022 22:17:13 GMT 1
Because nobody ever used the Wainstalls bus. First bus might even pull out of it accept for the journeys on the 512. I used to see 514 buses not picking up between Asda and Wainstalls. Plenty using it now it’s going straight up Pelion lane and being an extra bus to Mixenden Oh and by the way the folk of Wainstalls are a bit posher and shop at sainsburys LOL 😆
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Post by Username on Aug 17, 2022 22:21:38 GMT 1
Because nobody ever used the Wainstalls bus. First bus might even pull out of it accept for the journeys on the 512. I used to see 514 buses not picking up between Asda and Wainstalls. Plenty using it now it’s going straight up Pelion lane and being an extra bus to Mixenden But how many get off in Wainstalls? Sure it's just one or two passengers.
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