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Post by Username on Jun 11, 2022 22:07:34 GMT 1
It seems in fairness, Transdev is allergic to double deckers or longer buses on many busy routes.
Despite the warnings about capacity issues when the brand new Aireline Optare Versas were arriving in service, Transdev did not hesitate to buy medium sized single deckers for a route that is often busy with single deckers.
As well as this, Transdev has been experiencing issues with DenbyDarts and 464 with capacity as the vehicles that replaced longer vehicles were smaller. D1 and 464 are always busy now.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jun 11, 2022 22:26:05 GMT 1
You do know that double deckers, especially high spec ones like the ones Transdev buy, cost much more than a Versa or E200MMC?
If the D1 regularly has standing loads then I’m sure they will bring in double decks, but if it’s as I expect a few journeys that are ‘a bit busy’ then they won’t.
Should be noted that all of Transdev’s many predecessors have mostly used single decks on the D1 and 464 for about 20 years
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Post by Username on Jun 11, 2022 22:48:30 GMT 1
You do know that double deckers, especially high spec ones like the ones Transdev buy, cost much more than a Versa or E200MMC? If the D1 regularly has standing loads then I’m sure they will bring in double decks, but if it’s as I expect a few journeys that are ‘a bit busy’ then they won’t. Should be noted that all of Transdev’s many predecessors have mostly used single decks on the D1 and 464 for about 20 years When I mentioned the D1 and 464 I never said they need to be upgraded to double deckers. Services 464 and D1 previously had longer single deckers and the buses were able to cope. So I am saying they should add the longer single deckers back. |
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Post by deerfold on Jun 12, 2022 10:49:36 GMT 1
It seems in fairness, Transdev is allergic to double deckers or longer buses on many busy routes. Despite the warnings about capacity issues when the brand new Aireline Optare Versas were arriving in service, Transdev did not hesitate to buy medium sized single deckers for a route that is often busy with single deckers. As well as this, Transdev has been experiencing issues with DenbyDarts and 464 with capacity as the vehicles that replaced longer vehicles were smaller. D1 and 464 are always busy now. Transdev have a good few double decker routes. They clearly made a mistake with the Aireline and replaced those buses with double deckers (initially the busiest trips, eventually almost every trip). |
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Post by stevieinselby on Jun 12, 2022 12:16:03 GMT 1
It seems in fairness, Transdev is allergic to double deckers or longer buses on many busy routes. Coastliner CityZap The 36 Hotline Witch Way Pendle Wizz Aireline Dalesway You're seriously going with "Transdev don't use double-deckers on many busy routes"?  |
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Post by deerfold on Jun 12, 2022 12:39:18 GMT 1
It seems in fairness, Transdev is allergic to double deckers or longer buses on many busy routes. Coastliner CityZap The 36 Hotline Witch Way Pendle Wizz Aireline Dalesway You're seriously going with "Transdev don't use double-deckers on many long-distance routes"? And approx 50% of 62s in the summer; they're also commonly seen on the K9 and 67 and occasionally on Mainline routes. When special events are one, they often turn up on the B1-3 and 662. The 502 now usually runs with full-length single deckers, too. |
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Post by Username on Jun 12, 2022 17:38:21 GMT 1
It seems in fairness, Transdev is allergic to double deckers or longer buses on many busy routes. Coastliner CityZap The 36 Hotline Witch Way Pendle Wizz Aireline Dalesway You're seriously going with "Transdev don't use double-deckers on many busy routes"?  Keyword "many" not "all". Also Aireline and Dalesway was only changed recently. As well as Hotline a few years ago. |
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Post by Username on Jun 12, 2022 17:40:08 GMT 1
Coastliner CityZap The 36 Hotline Witch Way Pendle Wizz Aireline Dalesway You're seriously going with "Transdev don't use double-deckers on many long-distance routes"? And approx 50% of 62s in the summer; they're also commonly seen on the K9 and 67 and occasionally on Mainline routes. When special events are one, they often turn up on the B1-3 and 662. The 502 now usually runs with full-length single deckers, too. The K9 is not very busy though. Also Bronte Bus is usually busy anyways yet they hardly put on double deckers. |
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Post by WYBS on Jun 12, 2022 17:42:52 GMT 1
And approx 50% of 62s in the summer; they're also commonly seen on the K9 and 67 and occasionally on Mainline routes. When special events are one, they often turn up on the B1-3 and 662. The 502 now usually runs with full-length single deckers, too. The K9 is not very busy though. Also Bronte Bus is usually busy anyways yet they hardly put on double deckers. Bronte bus has branded vehicles running at a good frequency, and it doesn't get busy enough to warrant deckers except for the 1940s weekend for example. As for the K9: it seems to get whatever's left in the depot on any given day. |
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Post by Username on Jun 12, 2022 17:56:33 GMT 1
Also the 502 seems to be getting busier every day. It would not hurt to take a decker off the 20/21 and send it on the 502. The Halifax Town services have no need for double deckers. Eclipses are long enough.
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Post by deerfold on Jun 12, 2022 18:39:46 GMT 1
Coastliner CityZap The 36 Hotline Witch Way Pendle Wizz Aireline Dalesway You're seriously going with "Transdev don't use double-deckers on many busy routes"? Keyword "many" not "all". Also Aireline and Dalesway was only changed recently. As well as Hotline a few years ago. Yes, they're realising they're busy routes and putting deckers on. Which is what you're saying they don't do. |
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Post by deerfold on Jun 12, 2022 18:41:10 GMT 1
And approx 50% of 62s in the summer; they're also commonly seen on the K9 and 67 and occasionally on Mainline routes. When special events are on, they often turn up on the B1-3 and 662. The 502 now usually runs with full-length single deckers, too. The K9 is not very busy though. Also Bronte Bus is usually busy anyways yet they hardly put on double deckers. Whenever I catch the B3 when there's no special event on, they're busy, but have free seats. |
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Post by deerfold on Jun 12, 2022 18:41:49 GMT 1
Also the 502 seems to be getting busier every day. It would not hurt to take a decker off the 20/21 and send it on the 502. The Halifax Town services have no need for double deckers. Eclipses are long enough. It's getting busier, but the only time I've seen people standing is when it's been a short bus. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2022 18:58:32 GMT 1
Also the 502 seems to be getting busier every day. It would not hurt to take a decker off the 20/21 and send it on the 502. The Halifax Town services have no need for double deckers. Eclipses are long enough. Don't the Halifax locals still interwork with school services? hence why they get the deckers. I Wonder if the 502 being busier is connected to it now being the direct bus from Denholme & Cullingworth to Keighley (67 now going via Hainworth Wood) I Agree the 662 should of seen electric DDs being introduced,for the D1 depending on passenger numbers increasing further if they don't re-introduce larger SDs they could possibly look at going back to a similar service structure of the old 80-82 network - oddly enough i think this the first time the route from Denby Dale to Huddersfield officially have smaller buses than the Wakefield/Holmfirth route (the routes to Huddersfield was always DDs/full length SDs whilst the Wakefield/Holmfirth route started with MPDs before working its way to full length SDs) Was the 464 a downgrade of capacity with the Versas? as i thought they was similar to the Eclipse/Eclipse 2s that got replaced,the only major difference is that DDs are less common (but that could also be connected to Schools,as i think most routes had some form of interworking pre-takeover) If the G3s on route 36 stay with Transdev once the electrics arrive (are they leased like the original Geminis or owned outright?) then it could mean a couple of routes might get DD upgrades,some could also possibly be used on Route 60,allowing the B9s from there to be moved onto lighter duties & as Euro 6 spares for both the Leeds & Bradford routes. |
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 12, 2022 20:48:48 GMT 1
Also the 502 seems to be getting busier every day. It would not hurt to take a decker off the 20/21 and send it on the 502. The Halifax Town services have no need for double deckers. Eclipses are long enough. the boards on 20/21 interwork with school routes most of the year so need to bee deckers as does the 514. The 502 MAY get deckers depending on footfall keighley side where it's new timetable has been done to co-ordinate with the 67. |
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Jun 12, 2022 20:51:27 GMT 1
Might need doubles on peak 662 journeys during the upcoming rail strike
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 12, 2022 20:57:46 GMT 1
Also the 502 seems to be getting busier every day. It would not hurt to take a decker off the 20/21 and send it on the 502. The Halifax Town services have no need for double deckers. Eclipses are long enough. Don't the Halifax locals still interwork with school services? hence why they get the deckers. I Wonder if the 502 being busier is connected to it now being the direct bus from Denholme & Cullingworth to Keighley (67 now going via Hainworth Wood) I Agree the 662 should of seen electric DDs being introduced,for the D1 depending on passenger numbers increasing further if they don't re-introduce larger SDs they could possibly look at going back to a similar service structure of the old 80-82 network - oddly enough i think this the first time the route from Denby Dale to Huddersfield officially have smaller buses than the Wakefield/Holmfirth route (the routes to Huddersfield was always DDs/full length SDs whilst the Wakefield/Holmfirth route started with MPDs before working its way to full length SDs) Was the 464 a downgrade of capacity with the Versas? as i thought they was similar to the Eclipse/Eclipse 2s that got replaced,the only major difference is that DDs are less common (but that could also be connected to Schools,as i think most routes had some form of interworking pre-takeover) If the G3s on route 36 stay with Transdev once the electrics arrive (are they leased like the original Geminis or owned outright?) then it could mean a couple of routes might get DD upgrades,some could also possibly be used on Route 60,allowing the B9s from there to be moved onto lighter duties & as Euro 6 spares for both the Leeds & Bradford routes. the D1 (81 & 82 and 233 before) were always full size single deck. The was only 1 board under 233 that was supposed to be a decker and that interworked with the 231/232 (the 80 that used to do schools). Deckers only started appearing on 233 & 319 more towards the end of Tiger but the 231 & 232 was alwas supposed to have 2 deckers and 3 singles on the boards Monday-Friday but that went pear-shaped well before the pandemic and sale of tiger with the deckers ending up having to help at Leeds and the Elland for a while. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jun 12, 2022 21:29:42 GMT 1
The E200s seat 39, the Tempos 43, the Rosso Versas 41 and the grey B7RLEs 44
Therefore there is a lot of complaining in this thread for basically a 5 seat maximum difference
I think this all boils down to an enthusiast wanting deckers so they can sit upstairs
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Post by driver6540 on Jun 12, 2022 22:06:03 GMT 1
The E200s seat 39, the Tempos 43, the Rosso Versas 41 and the grey B7RLEs 44 Therefore there is a lot of complaining in this thread for basically a 5 seat maximum difference I think this all boils down to an enthusiast wanting deckers so they can sit upstairs My thoughts exactly, when Tiger ran what is now the D1 (originally 233 )it was mainly Centro's on this route, minimal seating difference to the now incumbent E200's. As someone who witnesses the D1 on a regular basis daily, apart from the morning and evening peaks, the majority of daytime loadings are pretty much half full, certainly not enough to justify full time decker operation. |
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Post by sharksmith on Jun 13, 2022 16:24:42 GMT 1
The E200s seat 39, the Tempos 43, the Rosso Versas 41 and the grey B7RLEs 44 Therefore there is a lot of complaining in this thread for basically a 5 seat maximum difference I think this all boils down to an enthusiast wanting deckers so they can sit upstairs That may be true but it's not the whole story. As an enthusiast and former commuter I spent a lot of time on Transdev's Versas. They may have a lot of seats in their small interior but at the cost of personal space. On the odd occasion a B7RLE turned up they felt cavernous compared to a Versa. Also some of the Versa seating capacity is playing fast and loose with the term seat. For instance the two behind the driver cannot fit two regular sized adults without serious buttock overhang. The five at the back is also a serious squash for five adults. |
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Post by WYBS on Jun 13, 2022 17:01:01 GMT 1
The E200s seat 39, the Tempos 43, the Rosso Versas 41 and the grey B7RLEs 44 Therefore there is a lot of complaining in this thread for basically a 5 seat maximum difference I think this all boils down to an enthusiast wanting deckers so they can sit upstairs That may be true but it's not the whole story. As an enthusiast and former commuter I spent a lot of time on Transdev's Versas. They may have a lot of seats in their small interior but at the cost of personal space. On the odd occasion a B7RLE turned up they felt cavernous compared to a Versa. Also some of the Versa seating capacity is playing fast and loose with the term seat. For instance the two behind the driver cannot fit two regular sized adults without serious buttock overhang. The five at the back is also a serious squash for five adults. May I ask, was this one the 60? I got fed up with catching it, as once it got to Rodley it was 80% full on most journeys. As you say, the space for each seat is laughable. I'm 6ft 2 and regularly had to sit next to someone, facing sideways with my legs blocking the gangway. |
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Post by sharksmith on Jun 13, 2022 21:31:15 GMT 1
That may be true but it's not the whole story. As an enthusiast and former commuter I spent a lot of time on Transdev's Versas. They may have a lot of seats in their small interior but at the cost of personal space. On the odd occasion a B7RLE turned up they felt cavernous compared to a Versa. Also some of the Versa seating capacity is playing fast and loose with the term seat. For instance the two behind the driver cannot fit two regular sized adults without serious buttock overhang. The five at the back is also a serious squash for five adults. May I ask, was this one the 60? I got fed up with catching it, as once it got to Rodley it was 80% full on most journeys. As you say, the space for each seat is laughable. I'm 6ft 2 and regularly had to sit next to someone, facing sideways with my legs blocking the gangway. Yes, that's right, I used to spend 12-15 hours a week on that bus and much of that time was uncomfortable, and that was pre Covid. As you say the bus used to be full Rodley to Leeds even before the 670 was cancelled. Unfortunately this was also the section which took the longest to travel through, particularly in the afternoon peak. I've not returned since the first lockdown as I have a car park space cheaper than the bus fare now. Even if I lost it though I don't think I'd go back, would probably pay the extra for the train. |
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Post by kendall17 on Jun 14, 2022 7:32:35 GMT 1
Just on the seat pitch/width issue, is there a bus out there that caters for the average sized male?
Never found one & had to pray for specific seats being free dependent on type
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Post by Username on Jun 16, 2022 18:53:01 GMT 1
Keyword "many" not "all". Also Aireline and Dalesway was only changed recently. As well as Hotline a few years ago. Yes, they're realising they're busy routes and putting deckers on. Which is what you're saying they don't do. The thing is I agree with you, however I never said they don't. |
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Post by Username on Jun 16, 2022 18:56:22 GMT 1
The E200s seat 39, the Tempos 43, the Rosso Versas 41 and the grey B7RLEs 44 Therefore there is a lot of complaining in this thread for basically a 5 seat maximum difference I think this all boils down to an enthusiast wanting deckers so they can sit upstairs If you actually read my thread I said the 464 and the D1 need longer single deckers not double deckers also a Tempo has more standing room as well as B7RLE and Versa. |
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