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Post by moorside on Jun 18, 2022 10:43:45 GMT 1
It's not that far from Wainstalls to the 512 route, and there's now't in Wainstalls except a few houses, some factory where everyone looks like they've drove to it and a small school so maybe WYCA won't continue the 514 contract. I've been the only passenger alighting and waiting in Wainstalls on many occasions. At least Wainstalls has the factory and the school! there are other places served by regular routes which are even less populated, e.g. Blackshaw Head or Commons. Another factor is that Wainstalls was left with no buses at all for months during lockdown when a Sunday service was being operated by Yorkshire Tiger. Any key workers, or shoppers, without their own transport must have had to make other arrangements during those months, and I suspect that many people will have continued with those alternative arrangements. It would be interesting to know how many passengers are actually carried on some of the rural routes in the Calderdale and Kirklees areas: Mill Bank put up a fight to keep its bus route, and so did people in Mountain (Queensbury), but I wonder how many passengers are actually on each trip round these places, or on routes like the 577 round Boulderclough and Steep Lane for example?
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Post by twy7 on Jun 18, 2022 13:48:18 GMT 1
Came across this on VOSA. Who's Rosa Holdings LTD? I presume its Global Coaches or Watersons? As Rosas base is Barnsley by the looks of it PB1059494/22 Registered ROSA HOLDINGS LTD Route: Wakefield Bus Station to Eastmoor Estate Service number: 100 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 24 Jul 2022 PB1059494/5 Registered ROSA HOLDINGS LTD Route: Barnsley Interchange to Newstead via Cudworth & Shafton Service number: 198 Service type: Limited Stop Effective date: 24 Jul 2022 PB1059494/21 Registered ROSA HOLDINGS LTD Route: Pontefract Bus Station to South Hiendley via South Emsall Service number: 39 (39B) Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 24 Jul 2022 PB1059494/20 Registered ROSA HOLDINGS LTD Route: Wakefield Bus Station to Ossett Bus Station via Horbury Junction Service number: 120 (120A) Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 24 Jul 2022 PB1059494/19 Registered ROSA HOLDINGS LTD Route: Wakefield Bus Station to Stanley via Wrenthorpe Service number: 101 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 24 Jul 2022 PB1059494/18 Registered ROSA HOLDINGS LTD Route: Wakefield Bus Station to South Elmsall via Ackworth Service number: 485 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 24 Jul 2022 PB1059494/17 Registered ROSA HOLDINGS LTD Route: Wakefield Bus Station to Pontefract Bus Station via Castleford Service number: 183 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 24 Jul 2022 Rosa Holdings is Globe. They are taking a lot from arriva and ct plus and will be very interesting to see how they run it all because they are from barnsley unless they open a wakefield depot
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 18, 2022 13:54:23 GMT 1
They are taking a lot from arriva and ct plus and will be very interesting to see how they run it all because they are from barnsley unless they open a wakefield depot exactly because with 100, 101 & 120/120a that's a lot of dead mileage plus they'll need MPDs, baby enviro 200s or Solos (for 100 & 120/120A) as all Globes fleet are full sized single deckers bar 3 e200s currently in use
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 18, 2022 14:07:26 GMT 1
We've seen stranger things before, didn't Ladies Only Travel win a lot of routes, like the 197 which must have had a lot dead mileage from their depot. that's right they did. When Tates ran 213 (214 initially when it ran shared with Arriva), DTB, 485 and even trips on 195 they'd run up dead.
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 18, 2022 15:00:25 GMT 1
that's right they did. When Tates ran 213 (214 initially when it ran shared with Arriva), DTB, 485 and even trips on 195 they'd run up dead. And Also Stagecoach Barnsley doing the evening and Sundays 425? or 446/444 I forget which route it was. they did evening 425, 443 & 444 but they got interworked with 59.
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Post by BusmanBry on Jun 18, 2022 15:22:31 GMT 1
So Eastmoor ( Wakefield ) will after July only then have one service route to help people get to Wakefield?. Have i got that correct?.
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Post by 77syk7 on Jun 18, 2022 16:01:41 GMT 1
Changing direction back to Calderdale. Always interesting to have a 'teaser' - I think that the the 539 (Stainland) and 587 (Rochdale Mon-Sat) currently run by First could be candidates for cancellation. These were the 2 routes which CT Plus ran earlier this year to cover staff shortages with First, so must be seen as marginal routes. Maybe CT Plus will take these on permanently - both have long histories and will need at least a 'medium sized' bus. I have commented on the 508 since being a member of the Forum - it could be a candidate for First to withdraw, but this would involve altering frequencies on the 681/2, as well as providing some provision from Odsal Top to Dudley Hill? Not really sure if it would be taken over in its present from by another operator. Comments please.
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 18, 2022 16:10:48 GMT 1
So Eastmoor ( Wakefield ) will after July only then have one service route to help people get to Wakefield?. Have i got that correct?. No they'll still be the 102
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Post by joseph on Jun 18, 2022 16:18:51 GMT 1
Changing direction back to Calderdale. Always interesting to have a 'teaser' - I think that the the 539 (Stainland) and 587 (Rochdale Mon-Sat) currently run by First could be candidates for cancellation. These were the 2 routes which CT Plus ran earlier this year to cover staff shortages with First, so must be seen as marginal routes. Maybe CT Plus will take these on permanently - both have long histories and will need at least a 'medium sized' bus. I have commented on the 508 since being a member of the Forum - it could be a candidate for First to withdraw, but this would involve altering frequencies on the 681/2, as well as providing some provision from Odsal Top to Dudley Hill? Not really sure if it would be taken over in its present from by another operator. Comments please. I think the 681/2 would just about get away with staying the same, but using deckers, if the 508 is axed. Yes loadings would increase, and more time would be needed to complete the route with increased loadings, but loadings on that stretch could cope as you wouldn't see that many transferring from the 508, up to Odsal roundabout it's probably no more than about 20 boarding and alighting the 508 on average. You may need a couple of peak extras on school days but that's about it. The stretch from Odsal to Dudley Hill could be covered by changing in Bradford, I've seen a few using that stretch but not really enough to call that section worthy of it's own route with higher than normal profit margins expected today. Another cheaper firm like CT plus may try and take it on, but I bet loadings decline further because everyone has a First ticket. You never know, CT plus may just extend the 81 all the way to Halifax, stranger things have happened lol.
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Post by mcbus123 on Jun 18, 2022 17:25:44 GMT 1
renumber 508 to X8 the same route to Thornbury Barracks and then send it via Stanningley Bypass to Leeds would be faster Than the current route
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Post by deerfold on Jun 18, 2022 17:38:52 GMT 1
renumber 508 to X8 the same route to Thornbury Barracks and then send it via Stanningley Bypass to Leeds would be faster Than the current route First don't seem to have any interest in it being a faster route. It was a faster route before they routed it via Kirkstall. When it was 40 minutes on the train and an hour on the bus (and I didn't need to cross Halifax to get to the station), I often got the bus to save money. Now during the day it's timed to take around 90 minutes. When there's 4 trains an hour taking half that time, there's a big inventive to get the train.
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Post by WYBS on Jun 18, 2022 18:10:05 GMT 1
I think if it was to be the 508 (which I think is very unlikely) surely Transdev Team Pennine would be the operator to take it on. Running a 15 minute combined frequency with the 60 (maybe even routing it through Rodley via 16A route) then running all the way to their existing market in Halifax.
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Post by mattb7tl on Jun 18, 2022 21:42:11 GMT 1
Have a feeling it could be any one of the routes from 590-592. Also when would this get announced?
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 18, 2022 22:28:52 GMT 1
Have a feeling it could be any one of the routes from 590-592. Also when would this get announced? not for a couple of weeks yet.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Jun 19, 2022 0:11:05 GMT 1
Have a feeling it could be any one of the routes from 590-592. Also when would this get announced? Nope none of those.
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Post by jus363 on Jun 19, 2022 9:33:55 GMT 1
Have a feeling it could be any one of the routes from 590-592. Also when would this get announced? Nope none of those. It may be the 571
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Post by basher37 on Jun 19, 2022 10:35:31 GMT 1
I think if it was to be the 508 (which I think is very unlikely) surely Transdev Team Pennine would be the operator to take it on. Running a 15 minute combined frequency with the 60 (maybe even routing it through Rodley via 16A route) then running all the way to their existing market in Halifax. The 508 & 60 virtually follow each other from Rodley to Leeds anyway or have the amount of times I’ve seen them on Leeds & Bradford road then the 508 sits waiting time at Kirkstall Morrisons,last week I had to catch the bus home from town outside Majestics and the 60 & 508 were due together back up to Kirkstall but the 508 didn’t show in the end.
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Post by WYBS on Jun 19, 2022 11:17:22 GMT 1
I think if it was to be the 508 (which I think is very unlikely) surely Transdev Team Pennine would be the operator to take it on. Running a 15 minute combined frequency with the 60 (maybe even routing it through Rodley via 16A route) then running all the way to their existing market in Halifax. The 508 & 60 virtually follow each other from Rodley to Leeds anyway or have the amount of times I’ve seen them on Leeds & Bradford road then the 508 sits waiting time at Kirkstall Morrisons,last week I had to catch the bus home from town outside Majestics and the 60 & 508 were due together back up to Kirkstall but the 508 didn’t show in the end. I stated this on another thread and everyone argued that they are evenly spaced on Leeds & Bradford Road. They run together 80% of the time. Lol.
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Post by Username on Jun 19, 2022 11:18:00 GMT 1
It's not that far from Wainstalls to the 512 route, and there's now't in Wainstalls except a few houses, some factory where everyone looks like they've drove to it and a small school so maybe WYCA won't continue the 514 contract. I've been the only passenger alighting and waiting in Wainstalls on many occasions. But 524 is still going? Also the demand is there for Wainstalls people. I remember taking the journey around ten ish and a lot of elderly people relied on the bus and the bus was actually quite busy. So I do think 512 could have more trips around every hour to serve Wainstalls.
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Post by Username on Jun 19, 2022 11:20:31 GMT 1
Actually, thinking about it , could well be the route from Halifax to Rochdale via Ripponden, that's ran for a long time using various numbers and operators with some route differences along the way, but all in all it's kept most of it's main route through those areas for decades, with quite a bit of subsidy as well. I can see Team Pennine pulling out of a lot of services in Halifax now that they have run them for a while, Just about all the investment has gone in the Huddersfield operation. Team Pennine won't pull out of Halifax as the 502 is the only route linking the operation to other parts of the Transdev Blazefield network. The reason why Halifax has had less investment is because the majority of the routes are tenders and most them are ending 2023 summer so until they are sure which tenders they are winning they won't invest as much as it would be a waste of money.
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Post by Username on Jun 19, 2022 11:22:11 GMT 1
i'll go for 587 or even Rosso route to Todmorden as move been ruuning for years and had numerous service number and route incarnations along the way. Doubt it, Rosso does not have plans to remove it as there are loads of students who live in Bacup and use that bus to get to school. Also Sharneyfoot is quite a walk away from Bacup and will be left with no bus service.
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Post by Username on Jun 19, 2022 11:23:33 GMT 1
i'll go for 587 or even Rosso route to Todmorden as move been ruuning for years and had numerous service number and route incarnations along the way. Also, 587 most definately wouldn't be going. More people use it to get to Rochdale than on the 590 bus route and also alot of residents near Lydgate and on Rochdale Road use it as well as people heading to the moors for a walk or for a pint at the White House Inn.
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Post by Username on Jun 19, 2022 11:25:53 GMT 1
It's not that far from Wainstalls to the 512 route, and there's now't in Wainstalls except a few houses, some factory where everyone looks like they've drove to it and a small school so maybe WYCA won't continue the 514 contract. I've been the only passenger alighting and waiting in Wainstalls on many occasions. At least Wainstalls has the factory and the school! there are other places served by regular routes which are even less populated, e.g. Blackshaw Head or Commons. Another factor is that Wainstalls was left with no buses at all for months during lockdown when a Sunday service was being operated by Yorkshire Tiger. Any key workers, or shoppers, without their own transport must have had to make other arrangements during those months, and I suspect that many people will have continued with those alternative arrangements. It would be interesting to know how many passengers are actually carried on some of the rural routes in the Calderdale and Kirklees areas: Mill Bank put up a fight to keep its bus route, and so did people in Mountain (Queensbury), but I wonder how many passengers are actually on each trip round these places, or on routes like the 577 round Boulderclough and Steep Lane for example? The only reason Commons has a regular service is because of the demand. Local residents tried to suggest some route changes maybe going through Barkisland however, Metro said no as they refuse to fiddle around with the service as it is the service in Ripponden that makes the most money.
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Post by Username on Jun 19, 2022 11:31:42 GMT 1
It's not that far from Wainstalls to the 512 route, and there's now't in Wainstalls except a few houses, some factory where everyone looks like they've drove to it and a small school so maybe WYCA won't continue the 514 contract. I've been the only passenger alighting and waiting in Wainstalls on many occasions. At least Wainstalls has the factory and the school! there are other places served by regular routes which are even less populated, e.g. Blackshaw Head or Commons. Another factor is that Wainstalls was left with no buses at all for months during lockdown when a Sunday service was being operated by Yorkshire Tiger. Any key workers, or shoppers, without their own transport must have had to make other arrangements during those months, and I suspect that many people will have continued with those alternative arrangements. It would be interesting to know how many passengers are actually carried on some of the rural routes in the Calderdale and Kirklees areas: Mill Bank put up a fight to keep its bus route, and so did people in Mountain (Queensbury), but I wonder how many passengers are actually on each trip round these places, or on routes like the 577 round Boulderclough and Steep Lane for example? You would actually be surprised to see how well rural routes are doing in Calderdale. Services like the 577 actually have a good demand that when Yorkshire Tiger ran the 577/8 services seperate with one every 2 hours to Hubberton and one every 2 hours to Boulderclough the locals got angry that the service was quickly merged to the 577 Halifax-Boulderclough-Hubberton Circular. Services like 561/2 have regular customers to Mill Bank, Mill Bank has more houses and people than you think. On average on the 561/2 services I see around 5 people on most journeys getting on or off at Mill Bank or arround Mill Bank. Also, I think 526 was busy at one point in Yorkshire Tigers operations as they seemed to put a lot of longer single deckers and some VDL DB350 double decker buses.
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Post by 77syk7 on Jun 19, 2022 11:36:04 GMT 1
This Calderdale cancellation has really got me thinking! I wonder if it is the 537 Halifax - Outlane - Huddersfield run by Huddersfield Depot? Never a busy route and could be run by Team Pennine all day. Or maybe cancel this route entirely and extend the 539 to Outlane? My ideas for the 508 cancellation , as I have suggested before would be increase the 681 to every 20 minutes frequency (admittedly it would probably need a PVR of 5 buses to cover the round trip reliably) but run direct via Halifax Road. Maybe one trip per hour could divert via Hud Hill (681A - as tried in the past by HJC). Or extend the 534 to Stone Chair and return in a circular route, as before via Bradford Road. I have never thought that the 534 needs to operate in both directions every hour up the narrow roads in the Shibden Valley. I can see that the 590-592 Halifax - Calder Valley routes would be a useful gain for Transdev, but First will not want to give these profitable routes up.
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