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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 24, 2022 18:43:44 GMT 1
Go North East did the same up in the North East over the first few months of the year. They’ve since been restored but long lists of ad-hoc cancellations have returned. So even Go Ahead who are seen by enthusiasts as one of the best groups have been involved in such measures.
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Post by WYBS on Mar 24, 2022 20:30:29 GMT 1
As stated by others; when I use the bus on a Saturday, they are very, very busy. I have heard plenty of conversions from car users who have chosen to use the bus to go shopping/ out with the kids in town or out for a drink at night. They certainly won't be using the bus in future with those sort of frequencies.
Cutting Saturday services is absolutely ludicrous. I had a hatred of Arriva anyway, but this just really winds me up.
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Post by joseph on Mar 24, 2022 21:00:01 GMT 1
A lot of people will be really angry but if you can't recruit drivers who want to work weekends then you can't run proper services. Perhaps now is the time for weekend fares to rise in order to further enhance weekend pay rates making weekend work more attractive?
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Post by mark51953 on Mar 24, 2022 22:18:39 GMT 1
A lot of people will be really angry but if you can't recruit drivers who want to work weekends then you can't run proper services. Perhaps now is the time for weekend fares to rise in order to further enhance weekend pay rates making weekend work more attractive? Well could be worse and they could of done what Brylaine have done and cancelled all buses on s Saturday do only run bus services Monday to Friday |
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Post by deerfold on Mar 24, 2022 22:20:37 GMT 1
A lot of people will be really angry but if you can't recruit drivers who want to work weekends then you can't run proper services. Perhaps now is the time for weekend fares to rise in order to further enhance weekend pay rates making weekend work more attractive? Well could be worse and they could of done what Brylaine have done and cancelled all buses on s Saturday do only run bus services Monday to Friday There's quite a few routes (a dozen or so) where they've done just that. |
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 24, 2022 22:23:19 GMT 1
A lot of people will be really angry but if you can't recruit drivers who want to work weekends then you can't run proper services. Perhaps now is the time for weekend fares to rise in order to further enhance weekend pay rates making weekend work more attractive? The weekend & off-peak fares got dropped 20+ years ago. Now it would be an idea for Arriva to push the Family tickets more and look to introduce a weekend ticket similar to Metro's Weekender and not change the current Day/Weekly/Monthly/Annual tickets to Monday-Friday only. |
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 24, 2022 22:27:57 GMT 1
If you think about it there's still the backlogs from 2020 and beginning of 2021 plus given the fact that the testing process changed during the pandemic to have to do components individually on a staggered process it will take a while to get numbers up. Plus given the fact COVID cases are increasing again wont help matters either.
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Post by Username on Mar 24, 2022 22:30:47 GMT 1
I'm surprised how WYCA has not peer pressured Arriva out of West Yorks, lately they have been doing a terrible job. Even First is doing better than them. Arriva UK has struggled alot resulting Cannock operations being sold to D&G (Centrebus) and the Calderdale/Kirklees operations being sold to Transdev. Arriva also shut down their travel centres permanently and brought a lot of cuts to Yorkshire. At this point I don't think Arriva can go on maybe they should sell there depots.
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Post by deerfold on Mar 24, 2022 22:38:18 GMT 1
If you think about it there's still the backlogs from 2020 and beginning of 2021 plus given the fact that the testing process changed during the pandemic to have to do components individually on a staggered process it will take a while to get numbers up. Plus given the fact COVID cases are increasing again wont help matters either. I'm not at all sure what you're saying here. |
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Post by deerfold on Mar 24, 2022 22:39:13 GMT 1
I'm surprised how WYCA has not peer pressured Arriva out of West Yorks, lately they have been doing a terrible job. Even First is doing better than them. Arriva UK has struggled alot resulting Cannock operations being sold to D&G (Centrebus) and the Calderdale/Kirklees operations being sold to Transdev. Arriva also shut down their travel centres permanently and brought a lot of cuts to Yorkshire. At this point I don't think Arriva can go on maybe they should sell there depots. How would you expect WYCA to do that? Presumably they'd also need to persuade other companies to take over? |
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 24, 2022 22:41:29 GMT 1
If you think about it there's still the backlogs from 2020 and beginning of 2021 plus given the fact that the testing process changed during the pandemic to have to do components individually on a staggered process it will take a while to get numbers up. Plus given the fact COVID cases are increasing again wont help matters either. I'm not at all sure what you're saying here. in other words if the new staff don't have PCV license it'll take longer to get them on the road. |
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 24, 2022 22:42:18 GMT 1
I'm surprised how WYCA has not peer pressured Arriva out of West Yorks, lately they have been doing a terrible job. Even First is doing better than them. Arriva UK has struggled alot resulting Cannock operations being sold to D&G (Centrebus) and the Calderdale/Kirklees operations being sold to Transdev. Arriva also shut down their travel centres permanently and brought a lot of cuts to Yorkshire. At this point I don't think Arriva can go on maybe they should sell there depots. Tiger was South Kirklees only majority. |
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Post by kendall17 on Mar 24, 2022 22:54:42 GMT 1
I'm surprised how WYCA has not peer pressured Arriva out of West Yorks, lately they have been doing a terrible job. Even First is doing better than them. Arriva UK has struggled alot resulting Cannock operations being sold to D&G (Centrebus) and the Calderdale/Kirklees operations being sold to Transdev. Arriva also shut down their travel centres permanently and brought a lot of cuts to Yorkshire. At this point I don't think Arriva can go on maybe they should sell there depots. Struggled? Or just chose to put all operating centres up for sale?🤷♂️ |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2022 23:02:59 GMT 1
I'm surprised how WYCA has not peer pressured Arriva out of West Yorks, lately they have been doing a terrible job. Even First is doing better than them. Arriva UK has struggled alot resulting Cannock operations being sold to D&G (Centrebus) and the Calderdale/Kirklees operations being sold to Transdev. Arriva also shut down their travel centres permanently and brought a lot of cuts to Yorkshire. At this point I don't think Arriva can go on maybe they should sell there depots. I'm not sure how WYCA can 'peer pressure' Arriva out of WY,without introducing franchising & blocking them from bidding from routes. As Arriva's UK Future has been in question for some time it be interesting to see if they bother bidding for any of the GM Network,or they just take the money for the depots & leave.That said,I'm not sure Arriva selling the less profitable areas has anything to do with Yorkshires driver shortage. Go North East did a similar thing about a month or 2 ago operating a Sunday service out of i think Consett,Sunderland & Washington depots & i don't think its likely thats a sign they was selling up soon. The likes of Transdev & First still also have alot of cancelled journeys (having to use both Transdev & Arriva regularly,Arriva had been the more reliable funnily enough) so hopefully this allows Arriva to at least run close to 100% M-Fri |
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Post by stevieinselby on Mar 24, 2022 23:04:04 GMT 1
So going off what Arriva's with Selby unaffected. Take it the 42 isnt cancelled. Who knows? I sent them a tweet on Monday asking them to confirm what was happening, and they finally got round to replying today to say "we'll ask the people who know about that sort of thing" (I'm paraphrasing). It's still shown as canned on VOSA and no alternative service has been registered by Arriva or anyone else. NYCC, bastions of competence that they are, haven't updated their "forthcoming changes" file since 8 February. And let's not forget that we're talking about Arriva here, there is absolutely no reason to think they wouldn't put a notice saying "no temporary changes to this service" up for a route that was being permanently cancelled... |
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 24, 2022 23:09:50 GMT 1
So going off what Arriva's with Selby unaffected. Take it the 42 isnt cancelled. Who knows? I sent them a tweet on Monday asking them to confirm what was happening, and they finally got round to replying today to say "we'll ask the people who know about that sort of thing" (I'm paraphrasing). It's still shown as canned on VOSA and no alternative service has been registered by Arriva or anyone else. NYCC, bastions of competence that they are, haven't updated their "forthcoming changes" file since 8 February. And let's not forget that we're talking about Arriva here, there is absolutely no reason to think they wouldn't put a notice saying "no temporary changes to this service" up for a route that was being permanently cancelled... That's true. |
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Post by stantheman on Mar 25, 2022 0:01:14 GMT 1
Hm, we all know that “temporary” will more than likely mean “permanent”. |
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Post by leedsbusman on Mar 25, 2022 0:21:40 GMT 1
So going off what Arriva's with Selby unaffected. Take it the 42 isnt cancelled. Who knows? I sent them a tweet on Monday asking them to confirm what was happening, and they finally got round to replying today to say "we'll ask the people who know about that sort of thing" (I'm paraphrasing). It's still shown as canned on VOSA and no alternative service has been registered by Arriva or anyone else. NYCC, bastions of competence that they are, haven't updated their "forthcoming changes" file since 8 February. And let's not forget that we're talking about Arriva here, there is absolutely no reason to think they wouldn't put a notice saying "no temporary changes to this service" up for a route that was being permanently cancelled... Arriva will have deregistered the 42 from the date it’s contract expires. Whoever is the successful bidder will presumably register under short notice when the award is confirmed. |
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Post by WYBS on Mar 25, 2022 0:46:46 GMT 1
Surely at this point Arriva have got to be looking to sell up. They've clearly almost all but given up. There must be a buyer interested in that area, whether it be Stagecoach (who I've always been surprised have never tried to make inroads in to Leeds), or Transdev.
Of course there are driver shortages, but the Arriva Yorkshire operation is one with a lot of existing success, but also a lot of untapped potential. From spending time in Wakefield every now and again; their buses aren't running around empty.
According to the councillor's statement on the matter in hand: 1 in 4 households in the region don't have access to a car, and we can assume that a large proportion of that 25% use public transport. That is much higher than the average percentage of bus users (which I believe sits around 5%).
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 25, 2022 0:56:44 GMT 1
Hm, we all know that “temporary” will more than likely mean “permanent”. I seriously doubt they are planning on running Sunday frequencies/no service at all on a Saturday permanently. That is a ridiculous suggestion. If they are still doing so in a years time, you can come back on that. |
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Post by deerfold on Mar 25, 2022 8:44:41 GMT 1
Surely at this point Arriva have got to be looking to sell up. They've clearly almost all but given up. There must be a buyer interested in that area, whether it be Stagecoach (who I've always been surprised have never tried to make inroads in to Leeds), or Transdev. Of course there are driver shortages, but the Arriva Yorkshire operation is one with a lot of existing success, but also a lot of untapped potential. From spending time in Wakefield every now and again; their buses aren't running around empty. According to the councillor's statement on the matter in hand: 1 in 4 households in the region don't have access to a car, and we can assume that a large proportion of that 25% use public transport. That is much higher than the average percentage of bus users (which I believe sits around 5%). Arriva are looking to sell up. They made that clear some time ago. That doesn't mean anyone else has to be interested unless the price is right. |
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Post by deerfold on Mar 25, 2022 8:49:05 GMT 1
I'm surprised how WYCA has not peer pressured Arriva out of West Yorks, lately they have been doing a terrible job. Even First is doing better than them. Arriva UK has struggled alot resulting Cannock operations being sold to D&G (Centrebus) and the Calderdale/Kirklees operations being sold to Transdev. Arriva also shut down their travel centres permanently and brought a lot of cuts to Yorkshire. At this point I don't think Arriva can go on maybe they should sell there depots. Tiger was South Kirklees only majority. Tiger was what? |
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Post by stantheman on Mar 25, 2022 9:07:51 GMT 1
Hm, we all know that “temporary” will more than likely mean “permanent”. I seriously doubt they are planning on running Sunday frequencies/no service at all on a Saturday permanently. That is a ridiculous suggestion. If they are still doing so in a years time, you can come back on that. Let’s see! 😉 |
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 25, 2022 9:17:37 GMT 1
Tiger was South Kirklees only majority. Tiger was what? Tiger Operated in South Kirklees majority of the time. |
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Post by deerfold on Mar 25, 2022 9:32:51 GMT 1
Tiger Operated in South Kirklees majority of the time. And widely in Calderdale. |
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