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Post by stephen01 on Aug 7, 2021 11:57:41 GMT 1
the issue with the 126/127 moving to Wakefield could lead to staff been out of a job potentially at Dewsbury depot BUT it is in need of new buses as the last investment it had was the Geminis back in 2011 and before that was the Commanders 1409-1415 in late 2007 and the Commanders 1450-1453 in late 2009. I can not find any where in that link where it says 126/7 will need to move to wakefield. Every where will need to go electric at some point so could dewsbury get charging point earlier so do not need them for this because you are right they have not had investment for a long time and arriva do need more new buses than just these Page 10 tells you which depot the electric vehicles would be based and what district they'll serve; Arriva's = Wakefield for Depot Location and serving Wakefield, Kirklees & Leeds, First = Leeds for Depot Location serving Leeds, Transdev = Keighley & Idle Depots and serving Bradford then there's some tendered routes which are the Hebden Bridge & Todmorden routes currently run by TLC and the Holme Valley (Holmfirth) routes and will cover Calderdale & Kirklees but for where they'll be based is dependant on who wins the Contract tender for them routes. But the document has been done prior to the sale of Yorkshire Tiger as that's listed under Arriva's vehicle numbers.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 7, 2021 14:17:38 GMT 1
From what I understan, Belle Isle is already at capacity, so surely the 126/127 moving would be in exchange for routes going the other way.
The 231/232 could be run from Dewsbury if they needed too. IIRC I rode a Sunday working from Dewsbury on one of these routes in 2010
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 7, 2021 14:35:17 GMT 1
The 231/232 could be run from Dewsbury if they needed too. IIRC I rode a Sunday working from Dewsbury on one of these routes in 2010 yep you will have as it wasn't until around late 2017 or 2018 when the Sunday duties moved over to Tiger. From what i remember it interworked with the 212 as well at Wakefield too.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 7, 2021 14:59:39 GMT 1
IIRC I rode a Sunday working from Dewsbury on one of these routes in 2010 yep you will have as it wasn't until around late 2017 or 2018 when the Sunday duties moved over to Tiger. From what i remember it interworked with the 212 as well at Wakefield too. That will have been a sensible way to get the buses back to Dewsbury. It was an 09-reg E200 from memory.
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 7, 2021 15:02:42 GMT 1
yep you will have as it wasn't until around late 2017 or 2018 when the Sunday duties moved over to Tiger. From what i remember it interworked with the 212 as well at Wakefield too. That will have been a sensible way to get the buses back to Dewsbury. It was an 09-reg E200 from memory. That's sounds right as it was always them and ALX200s on Sunday's and also the ALX300s too.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 8, 2021 0:00:51 GMT 1
Who knew the idea of running a Dewsbury to Wakefield service from Wakefield rather than Dewsbury would be so controversial
It wouldn't lead to job losses, either another service would go the other way, or drivers would move, or drivers retiring just wouldn't be replaced.
It's really not such a big deal
It's not as if the bus industry is static, depots gain and lose contracts all the time
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Post by peteleeds on Aug 8, 2021 8:35:09 GMT 1
Who knew the idea of running a Dewsbury to Wakefield service from Wakefield rather than Dewsbury would be so controversial It wouldn't lead to job losses, either another service would go the other way, or drivers would move, or drivers retiring just wouldn't be replaced. It's really not such a big deal It's not as if the bus industry is static, depots gain and lose contracts all the time Dewsbury seem to always be cancelling services so maybe losing some to Wakefield will mean a more reliable service
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Post by SCH117X on Aug 9, 2021 21:18:01 GMT 1
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Post by leeds rider on Aug 9, 2021 22:15:10 GMT 1
Going to be a lot of disappointed bidders there, as it's been made clear only 2 or 3 of that 17 will be accepted.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2021 7:50:56 GMT 1
Going to be a lot of disappointed bidders there, as it's been made clear only 2 or 3 of that 17 will be accepted. What's the betting the successful bidders will be from down South?
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Post by SCH117X on Aug 11, 2021 22:02:04 GMT 1
The NYCC bid is, or includes, Transdevs Harrogate operation being entirely zero emission (wonders if that really includes school services)
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Post by rst1987 on Aug 12, 2021 23:26:06 GMT 1
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Aug 13, 2021 15:12:01 GMT 1
So far electric buses have been confined to local work & P & R work, I would like to see one how they would prefer on routes like the Holmfirth Connection, 503 & 576 with all the hills
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Post by Burnside on Aug 13, 2021 20:49:38 GMT 1
The Leeds Yutong single Deckers seemed to cope fine on the 74 from Bradford to Grassington.
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Post by WYBS on Mar 26, 2022 9:17:36 GMT 1
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 26, 2022 9:36:19 GMT 1
as has South Yorks, North Yorks & York.
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Post by mattb7tl on Mar 26, 2022 11:23:53 GMT 1
as has South Yorks, North Yorks & York. Found this! I don't really understand this map too much though
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Post by deerfold on Mar 26, 2022 11:35:22 GMT 1
as has South Yorks, North Yorks & York. Found this! I don't really understand this map too much though Some areas are easier to see than others. In Calderdale it covers the Todmorden and Hebden Bridge local networks. In Bradford it covers the 662 to Keighley and the A2 and A3. In Kirklees it's the Huddersfield to Holmfirth routes and the 335 Leeds and Wakefield you could do with better definition in the map, but clearly the A1, 268, 110 and 7s are included.
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 26, 2022 11:42:51 GMT 1
Found this! I don't really understand this map too much though Some areas are easier to see than others. In Calderdale it covers the Todmorden and Hebden Bridge local networks. In Bradford it covers the 662 to Keighley and the A2 and A3. In Kirklees it's the Huddersfield to Holmfirth routes and the 335 Leeds and Wakefield you could do with better definition in the map, but clearly the A1, 268, 110 and 7s are included. Arriva's routes selected are actually 110, 126/127, 148/149 and 425/427. The 268 wasn't included. The routes focused on by First are 9, 15, 48 & 91 with a few others. Arriva & Firsts plans include allowance for Euro6 spec motors to be utilised as Spares so for Arriva's it would see 126/127 leave Dewsbury depot as it's the electric buses will be based at Wakefield. For Transdev the routes are only all 3 Flyer routes and the 662 Shuttle as well as upgrading the entire Harrogate fleet. The ones for Metro are only for the routes currently operated by Stotts around Holmfirth and TLC around Todmorden & Hebden Bridge with the Vehicles going to the operator of the routes next year. Transdev will be upgrading this year, First & Metro in 2023 and Arriva in 2024.
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Post by leedsbusman on Mar 26, 2022 11:50:16 GMT 1
Found this! I don't really understand this map too much though Some areas are easier to see than others. In Calderdale it covers the Todmorden and Hebden Bridge local networks. In Bradford it covers the 662 to Keighley and the A2 and A3. In Kirklees it's the Huddersfield to Holmfirth routes and the 335 Leeds and Wakefield you could do with better definition in the map, but clearly the A1, 268, 110 and 7s are included. The 7s aren’t included - the 48 will be though - First’s proposal is for single decks so will be things like 9. 46, 47, 91. The Calderdale and Kirklees stuff was for tendered services (TLC and Stotts) but this did not progress to the final bid which was for the 111 full size buses.
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 26, 2022 11:55:36 GMT 1
Some areas are easier to see than others. In Calderdale it covers the Todmorden and Hebden Bridge local networks. In Bradford it covers the 662 to Keighley and the A2 and A3. In Kirklees it's the Huddersfield to Holmfirth routes and the 335 Leeds and Wakefield you could do with better definition in the map, but clearly the A1, 268, 110 and 7s are included. The 7s aren’t included - the 48 will be though - First’s proposal is for single decks so will be things like 9. 46, 47, 91. The Calderdale and Kirklees stuff was for tendered services (TLC and Stotts) but this did not progress to the final bid which was for the 111 full size buses. but the Harrogate the 7s are under the North Yorkshire bid as all the Harrogate depot would be electric.
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Post by WYBS on Mar 26, 2022 12:21:18 GMT 1
Come on then, what are we all predicting will be ordered?
I think Transdev may go with BYD Enviro 200 EVs for their single deck upgrades. They're just more stylish and attractive than the rather gaunt-looking Yutongs.
Maybe BYD E400 EVs with an MMC body instead of a City body (not sure if ADL offer this at the moment) for the 36. This would of course bring it in line with CityZap and WitchWay.
First are to going to trial an Arrival vehicle soon I believe, so wouldn't be surprised with that.
I'm not confident on what small electric buses are on the market for Stotts. Do BYD/ ADL offer an E200 EV Dart Size?
Arriva will probably buy pedal powered, battery assisted buses made out of turnips and make the passengers pedal while they get whipped like slaves building the Egyptian pyramids, whilst paying for the privilege of course.
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Post by deerfold on Mar 26, 2022 12:21:27 GMT 1
The 7s aren’t included - the 48 will be though - First’s proposal is for single decks so will be things like 9. 46, 47, 91. The Calderdale and Kirklees stuff was for tendered services (TLC and Stotts) but this did not progress to the final bid which was for the 111 full size buses. but the Harrogate the 7s are under the North Yorkshire bid as all the Harrogate depot would be electric. Not the 7. The 7s - First's 7, 7A and 7S. Though @leedbusman's local knowledge of north west leeds is better than mine.
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 26, 2022 12:51:20 GMT 1
Come on then, what are we all predicting will be ordered? I think Transdev may go with BYD Enviro 200 EVs for their single deck upgrades. They're just more stylish and attractive than the rather gaunt-looking Yutongs. Maybe BYD E400 EVs with an MMC body instead of a City body (not sure if ADL offer this at the moment) for the 36. This would of course bring it in line with CityZap and WitchWay. First are to going to trial an Arrival vehicle soon I believe, so wouldn't be surprised with that. I'm not confident on what small electric buses are on the market for Stotts. Do BYD/ ADL offer an E200 EV Dart Size? Arriva will probably buy pedal powered, battery assisted buses made out of turnips and make the passengers pedal while they get whipped like slaves building the Egyptian pyramids, whilst paying for the privilege of course. The Holmfirth & Calderdale ones have been dropped although they could have used Mellor Orion e. So far for Single decks Transdev have used the BYD e200, Yutong and Mercedes E-Citaro. Decker aspect will be interesting one to watch. Arriva though will be anyones guess but there's 2 years yet for their roll out. First will be Yutong for single decks and more e400 citys if they get deckers.
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Post by WYBS on Mar 26, 2022 12:53:35 GMT 1
Come on then, what are we all predicting will be ordered? I think Transdev may go with BYD Enviro 200 EVs for their single deck upgrades. They're just more stylish and attractive than the rather gaunt-looking Yutongs. Maybe BYD E400 EVs with an MMC body instead of a City body (not sure if ADL offer this at the moment) for the 36. This would of course bring it in line with CityZap and WitchWay. First are to going to trial an Arrival vehicle soon I believe, so wouldn't be surprised with that. I'm not confident on what small electric buses are on the market for Stotts. Do BYD/ ADL offer an E200 EV Dart Size? Arriva will probably buy pedal powered, battery assisted buses made out of turnips and make the passengers pedal while they get whipped like slaves building the Egyptian pyramids, whilst paying for the privilege of course. Stotts could go for Mellor's new vehicle, the Sigma, as it's available in 6 variations. Ah yes, just looking at their website now. Those Sigmas are unbelievably ugly! However they appear to have an EV version of the Strata called the 'Orion'.
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