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Post by SCH117X on May 28, 2015 18:21:25 GMT 1
PB1003659/45 - HARROGATE COACH TRAVEL LTD T/A Connexionsbuses, SECTION 3, SOUTHFIELD LANE, TOCKWITH, YORK, YO26 7QPRegistration AcceptedStarting Point: Haxby, West NooksFinish Point: Copmanthorpe, Station RoadVia:Service Number: 13Service Type: Normal StoppingEffective Date: 02-AUG-2015Other Details: Monday to Saturday (except bank holidays)
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Post by northrob on May 28, 2015 19:08:46 GMT 1
Hmm... replacing the existing service by First at a guess.
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Post by jc on May 28, 2015 20:15:27 GMT 1
My guess is good old-fashioned competition; market share of journeys to York in Huntington (100%) and Haxby/Wigginton (nearly 100%) will be key as to whether First wants to see another operator on the 13.
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Post by js12345678910 on May 31, 2015 18:43:30 GMT 1
My guess is good old-fashioned competition; market share of journeys to York in Huntington (100%) and Haxby/Wigginton (nearly 100%) will be key as to whether First wants to see another operator on the 13. I don't think they will compete as connexions buy buses from first and I heard they won't compete with them. |
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Post by js12345678910 on Jun 1, 2015 16:38:27 GMT 1
My guess is good old-fashioned competition; market share of journeys to York in Huntington (100%) and Haxby/Wigginton (nearly 100%) will be key as to whether First wants to see another operator on the 13. I don't think they will compete as connexions buy buses from first and I heard they won't compete with them. 100% not going with first just spoke with Connexions managing director. |
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Post by SCH117X on Jun 8, 2015 22:31:25 GMT 1
PB0001873/34 - YORKSHIRE COASTLINER LTD, PROSPECT PARK, STARBECK, HARROGATE, HG2 7NYVariation Accepted: Operating between York / Acomb and York University given service number 44 effective from 01-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Jun 9, 2015 15:00:39 GMT 1
PB0001873/34 - YORKSHIRE COASTLINER LTD, PROSPECT PARK, STARBECK, HARROGATE, HG2 7NYVariation Accepted: Operating between York / Acomb and York University given service number 44 effective from 01-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable. Im guessing the Acomb part is a throwback to when Pullman ran the service, and buses started/finished in Acomb, as it was the closest point to the depot. |
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Jun 9, 2015 15:02:41 GMT 1
Hmm... replacing the existing service by First at a guess. Believe that First had decided to give uo the service a few months ago, and had actually asked other operators to step in. It will be interesting to see if passenger numbers drop, and passengers transfer onto other parallel First services. |
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Post by stevieinselby on Jun 9, 2015 17:23:43 GMT 1
PB1003659/45 - HARROGATE COACH TRAVEL LTD T/A Connexionsbuses, SECTION 3, SOUTHFIELD LANE, TOCKWITH, YORK, YO26 7QPRegistration AcceptedStarting Point: Haxby, West NooksFinish Point: Copmanthorpe, Station RoadVia:Service Number: 13Service Type: Normal StoppingEffective Date: 02-AUG-2015Other Details: Monday to Saturday (except bank holidays) Connexions will be running the 13 every half-hour between West Nooks and Copmanthorpe, with all buses running via Flaxman Croft to and from Cop., after First deregistered the service. I've not heard what, if anything, is happening for Holly Bank, maybe Transdev could do something with the dead time on the bus used for the 36? |
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Post by jc on Jun 10, 2015 20:07:02 GMT 1
Hmm... replacing the existing service by First at a guess. Believe that First had decided to give uo the service a few months ago, and had actually asked other operators to step in. It will be interesting to see if passenger numbers drop, and passengers transfer onto other parallel First services. Thinking about it, that could be the achilles heel for Connexions unless unless First Day & period tickets are valid on both operators. Otherwise I would have thought they would need to compete quite aggressively (very cheap fares, 20 min or better frequency from town to Huntington) to attract enough patronage to make it work? They could extend from Haxby to Clifton Moor Tesco via Stirling Road, but ideally the route in Haxby would need to be swapped with the 1 for access through Wigginton, and the service 20 link to Monks Cross could be cut as a result. |
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Post by stevieinselby on Jun 10, 2015 22:19:32 GMT 1
Thinking about it, that could be the achilles heel for Connexions unless unless First Day & period tickets are valid on both operators. Otherwise I would have thought they would need to compete quite aggressively (very cheap fares, 20 min or better frequency from town to Huntington) to attract enough patronage to make it work? Don't forget that there is the 'All York' ticket, not much more than a First Day (£4.50 compared to £3.80) that covers all buses within the city boundary. I would be staggered if there was any interavailability of tickets beyond that – not least because a large part of the reason for needing the 13 is that it serves places other First routes don't go. Copmanthorpe will not see any First services – Connexions will be competing with Transdev there. Across Haxby there are areas that are half a mile or more from the #1 where people won't consider it a choice. If you're travelling from Haxby or New Earswick to the Foss Islands or Stonebow area, you've got a bus that takes you straight there or a long walk. With a lower cost base and lower profit requirements, there's a good chance that they can make this route work where First couldn't. |
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Post by Jonesy on Jun 11, 2015 17:37:06 GMT 1
PB0001747/54 - FIRST YORK LTD, HUNSLET PARK DEPOT, DONISTHORPE STREET, LEEDS, LS10 1PL
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: York Sport Village
Finish Point: York Sport Village
Via:
Service Number: 66
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 02-AUG-2015
Other Details: Daily
PB0001747/55 - FIRST YORK LTD, HUNSLET PARK DEPOT, DONISTHORPE STREET, LEEDS, LS10 1PL
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: University of York
Finish Point: York Hospital
Via:
Service Number: hb1
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 02-AUG-2015
Other Details: Monday to Friday excluding public holidays
PB0001747/56 - FIRST YORK LTD, HUNSLET PARK DEPOT, DONISTHORPE STREET, LEEDS, LS10 1PL
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: University of York Student Union
Finish Point: University of York Student Union
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Service Number: ub1
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 02-AUG-2015
Other Details: Monday to Friday University Term excluding public holidays
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Post by jabbott1987 on Jun 11, 2015 19:40:58 GMT 1
More from First York
Service 1 to amend times (2-8-15)
Service 4 to amend route Stopping places & times (2-8-15)
Service 5/5A to amend route Stopping places & times (2-8-15)
Service 6 to amend route Stopping places & times (2-8-15)
Service 10/10A to amend route Stopping places & times (2-8-15)
Service 12/14 to amend times (2-8-15)
Service 13/13A Withdrawn (2-8-15)
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Post by northrob on Jun 12, 2015 18:09:33 GMT 1
More from First York Service 1 to amend times (2-8-15) Service 4 to amend route Stopping places & times (2-8-15) Service 5/5A to amend route Stopping places & times (2-8-15) Service 6 to amend route Stopping places & times (2-8-15) Service 10/10A to amend route Stopping places & times (2-8-15) Service 12/14 to amend times (2-8-15) Service 13/13A Withdrawn (2-8-15) A bit more on some of these: Service 4 Becomes Acomb - Foxwood - City Centre - Tang Hall - Osbaldwick - University (Heslington East) Service 5/5A Will operate via Poppleton Road & Rail Station instead of Leeman Road, service 5 will operate via Boroughbridge Road, Beckfield Lane & Ostman Road instead of Carr Lane & Woodlea Ave Service 6 Operates Clifton Moor to City Centre only, terminating at Station Road Service 10 Will operate via Leeman Road instead of Poppleton Road & Rail Station |
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Post by jc on Jun 13, 2015 11:34:10 GMT 1
Bit of a sop there to the people of Acomb and Foxwood, an extra 5 mins on the bus to Heslington East only - or change and probably take longer. Then there's people living to the east of the city centre and working at Clifton Moor who see their journeys cut at Rougier Street.
They mentioned a 56 serving Kings Manor, where's this going and at what frequency? There are a lot of predominantly elderly folk who use the 6 to get across town from outside the hospital, it's vital that the 56 either terminates at Burton Green roundabout or loops round Burton Stone Lane to the hospital.
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Post by jc on Jun 13, 2015 12:18:52 GMT 1
I think I got the wrong end of the stick here. Assuming the 66 follows the 44 route, the only 'bus hubs' left without 9 buses an hour are Stonebow and Theatre Royal. Why would the 56 need to stop at the station rather than follow the 6 route through town?
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Post by rider5521 on Jun 14, 2015 21:50:44 GMT 1
Thinking about it, that could be the achilles heel for Connexions unless unless First Day & period tickets are valid on both operators. Otherwise I would have thought they would need to compete quite aggressively (very cheap fares, 20 min or better frequency from town to Huntington) to attract enough patronage to make it work? Don't forget that there is the 'All York' ticket, not much more than a First Day (£4.50 compared to £3.80) that covers all buses within the city boundary. I would be staggered if there was any interavailability of tickets beyond that – not least because a large part of the reason for needing the 13 is that it serves places other First routes don't go. Copmanthorpe will not see any First services – Connexions will be competing with Transdev there. Across Haxby there are areas that are half a mile or more from the #1 where people won't consider it a choice. If you're travelling from Haxby or New Earswick to the Foss Islands or Stonebow area, you've got a bus that takes you straight there or a long walk. With a lower cost base and lower profit requirements, there's a good chance that they can make this route work where First couldn't. It's in the main consession cards on this route. If they can sustain a 4 bus operation on an average fare concession reimbursement that works out at approx 65-70p per passenger carried then good luck to them. |
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Post by SCH117X on Jun 19, 2015 18:34:09 GMT 1
PB1003659/25 - HARROGATE COACH TRAVEL LTD T/A Connexionsbuses, SECTION 3, SOUTHFIELD LANE, TOCKWITH, YORK, YO26 7QPVariation Accepted: Operating between Harrogate Bus Station and Harrogate Bus Station given service number X4 effective from 07-Aug-2015. To amend Timetable.
PB1003659/29 - HARROGATE COACH TRAVEL LTD T/A Connexionsbuses, SECTION 3, SOUTHFIELD LANE, TOCKWITH, YORK, YO26 7QPVariation Accepted: Operating between Harrogate Bus Station and Duchy Road given service number X12 effective from 07-Aug-2015. To amend Timetable.
PB1003659/36 - HARROGATE COACH TRAVEL LTD T/A Connexionsbuses, SECTION 3, SOUTHFIELD LANE, TOCKWITH, YORK, YO26 7QPVariation Accepted: Operating between HARROGATE BUS STATION and OTLEY ROAD given service number X6/X6a effective from 07-Aug-2015. To amend Timetable.
Presumably retiming the Otley Road services in front of Transdevs 6 with consequential changes to the services that interwork
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Post by martinjwdton on Jun 19, 2015 22:23:40 GMT 1
Absolutely correct, it's fun playing leapfrog around Beckwith Knowle and cold bath road, I now work for conx, I spoke to the gaffer about these timetable changes as I was following the 6 transdev all afternoon round that estate
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Post by SCH117X on Jun 20, 2015 10:56:06 GMT 1
Yes, but how much in front. The sensible thing would be a 15 min interval for both operators combined.
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Post by martinjwdton on Jun 20, 2015 18:07:36 GMT 1
It's all a game, one ups man ship etc, what roebuck can do we can do better, I'd love someone to attack the 36
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Post by deerfold on Jun 20, 2015 18:27:21 GMT 1
It's all a game, one ups man ship etc, what roebuck can do we can do better, I'd love someone to attack the 36 Would passengers have anything to gain if someone did? |
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Post by SCH117X on Jun 20, 2015 18:40:16 GMT 1
This is going off topic a bit but the 36 in terms of Leeds-Harrogate already has competition from the train which will intensify once electrification occurs and raises the issue whether the impact be as severe as on the Bradford-Ilkley corridor.
"we can do better", um...so are x6 / x6a going run in the morning peak and Sundays?
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Post by martinjwdton on Jun 20, 2015 22:20:58 GMT 1
Should ripon ever reopen their station then the 36 would have problems regardless, going down the x6 corridor wasn't it conx that revived that service after major public complaint that they had no service then transdev tried to tread on toes and bully them off the route by changing their times to get ahead, I agree with someones comment have them both spread apart at 15 min, ive been a bus driver for both major and smaller company's, all may be good with £11 an hour and new buses , but that's why u do Sundays and bank holidays and lates, but smaller company's just trying to make an honest crust without giving shareholders free money to sit and enjoy villas in the sun, I like to be called by name not just a number
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Post by rwilkes on Jun 20, 2015 23:07:03 GMT 1
Shareholders do not get their money for free, they get it for lending out money to businesses, creating jobs, services and exports. In bus companies it works out abt 1.5p for every £1 of bus fare, which is good value. Shareholders do not sit in the sun in their villas either. Most shareholders are ordinary folk whose money in pensions, insurance and banks is lent out as shareholdings. Smaller companies borrow directly from banks or private individuals and have to pay for the borrowings just the same.
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