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Post by stevieinselby on Aug 2, 2015 18:05:39 GMT 1
If what I've heard is correct, then the route is going to be University - Piccadilly - Clifford Street - Nunnery Lane - Station - Rougier Street - Piccadilly - University. Not plausible to run them Piccadilly > Clifford Street > Nunnery Lane, because to get from Clifford Street outbound to Nunnery Lane you would have to go all the way round the Fishergate one-way system overlapping with the route you've already run in on. You could in theory run Piccadilly > Skeldergate > Nunnery Lane, although I would be wary of putting that many buses down Skeldergate and turning right at the end ... not too bad with EYMS having 1 or 2 per hour, but if First put another 9 buses per hour down there then that could start to cause problems. Of course, the maps on First's website don't show the city centre or give any clue which city centre stops are served by each route, and the timetables, as usual, are absolutely sod all use, showing stops only at Sport Village, Piccadilly and Nunnery Lane. And, equally of course, Traveline is no freakin' use either as it hasn't even heard of the service. However, given that the daytime service has 18 minutes between departing Piccadilly and departing Nunnery Lane, I can't see them running it as a circular service (even though that is how it is stupidly and incorrectly described in their timetable), because that would give them a 10+ minute layover at Nunnery Lane, making the service intolerably slow and inconvenient for passengers going to York Station, and 15 minutes slower than if they run there and back through town. I've had a "best guess" attempt to get the timetables right on my website, and apart from the 1 and 12 they should now all be there, but in some cases that's all they are, guesses. OK, let's be smarter about this. NextBuses shows departures from Rougier Street (CC) on the 66 towards York Station. That answers that question, they do just run straight through town on the logical route.
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Post by stevieinselby on Aug 2, 2015 18:07:37 GMT 1
Do you not think that the routing could be specified as part of the contract. Fair point, it might be. But whatever the reasons are, it's still a bluddy stupid decision that people travelling on all buses through Piccadilly are going to pay heavily for.
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Post by jc on Aug 4, 2015 19:59:20 GMT 1
Reaction to these unfortunate changes can be found here on the York Press m.yorkpress.co.uk/news/13526918.York_bus_changes_slammed/Interesting about the 5 and 10 not covering their costs, maybe an opportunity for EYMS to come in on the Dunnington/Stamford Bridge corridor or for First to think about a more profitable means to serve the Boroughbridge Road corridor than to replace 4 buses an hour at regular intervals with 6ish buses an hour at irregular intervals. Makes sense for First to want to fix something that was broken, but how is this a fix? The weekly ticket was £16, they dropped it to £12... Have they gained enough patronage to cover the difference? First have now updated their own website with a new network map and twitter feed www.firstgroup.com/york/routes-and-maps/network-maps
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Post by stevieinselby on Aug 4, 2015 20:37:11 GMT 1
Reaction to these unfortunate changes can be found here on the York Press m.yorkpress.co.uk/news/13526918.York_bus_changes_slammed/Interesting about the 5 and 10 not covering their costs, maybe an opportunity for EYMS to come in on the Dunnington/Stamford Bridge corridor or for First to think about a more profitable means to serve the Boroughbridge Road corridor than to replace 4 buses an hour at regular intervals with 6ish buses an hour at irregular intervals. Makes sense for First to want to fix something that was broken, but how is this a fix? The weekly ticket was £16, they dropped it to £12... Have they gained enough patronage to cover the difference? I wonder to what extent the problems facing the 10 have been caused by the introduction of the 59. If residents of Poppleton are now driving to the P&R rather than getting the bus from the village then that might go some way to explaining why the route is struggling. At the other end, it's hard to believe that Stamford Bridge and Dunnington can't support a proper half-hourly service. With the 5 and 10 now giving 5.5 buses an hour to the section between Water End and Beckfield Lane, that does sound like over-saturation if they can't make ends meet. Does the 5/5A need to be that frequent at the Acomb end? With it being so much slower than the 1 between York and Acomb, I can't see that many people using it as a through route, so it's more about providing a service for those residential streets, both to Acomb shops and to the city centre. Could that be done effectively on a half-hourly frequency?
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Post by SCH117X on Aug 12, 2015 17:52:34 GMT 1
According to NYCC all x6/6a (apart from the 1730) and x12s run 5 mins earlier, and x4s run 10 mins earlier which means most x6/6a dep the bus station at the same time as the 6! So absolutely no chance of the X4s actually running on time then, as the X6 get stuck in traffic coming in past the exhibition Centre and usually only just getting to the bus station in time to do The X4, so with five minutes less they'll end up late on the X4. And the x6 as well - today at 1215, departure time for the x6, the inbound x4 was passing Asda around 8 minutes late.
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Post by jc on Aug 27, 2015 16:41:07 GMT 1
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Post by jc on Aug 27, 2015 20:05:28 GMT 1
Reaction to these unfortunate changes can be found here on the York Press m.yorkpress.co.uk/news/13526918.York_bus_changes_slammed/Interesting about the 5 and 10 not covering their costs, maybe an opportunity for EYMS to come in on the Dunnington/Stamford Bridge corridor or for First to think about a more profitable means to serve the Boroughbridge Road corridor than to replace 4 buses an hour at regular intervals with 6ish buses an hour at irregular intervals. Makes sense for First to want to fix something that was broken, but how is this a fix? The weekly ticket was £16, they dropped it to £12... Have they gained enough patronage to cover the difference? I wonder to what extent the problems facing the 10 have been caused by the introduction of the 59. If residents of Poppleton are now driving to the P&R rather than getting the bus from the village then that might go some way to explaining why the route is struggling. At the other end, it's hard to believe that Stamford Bridge and Dunnington can't support a proper half-hourly service. With the 5 and 10 now giving 5.5 buses an hour to the section between Water End and Beckfield Lane, that does sound like over-saturation if they can't make ends meet. Does the 5/5A need to be that frequent at the Acomb end? With it being so much slower than the 1 between York and Acomb, I can't see that many people using it as a through route, so it's more about providing a service for those residential streets, both to Acomb shops and to the city centre. Could that be done effectively on a half-hourly frequency? I certainly can't see how running a lower frequency around Acomb would benefit them. For what it's worth, I think the best idea First had (I don't know what killed it, the arrangement with the 4 and 5 interworking, too many buses via Danebury Drive or the lack of a cross town link on the 16) was the 14 via Boroughbridge Road/Beckfield Lane and 16 via Hamilton Drive interworking arrangement. If it was tried again you could maybe have two service 'groups' each running 4 buses an hour, 1) Holgate-Boroughbridge Rd-Poppleton / Holgate-Boroughbridge Road-Danebury Drive-Acomb paired with the 5/5A to Strensall, and 2) Leeman Rd-Boroughbrige Rd-Beckfield Lane-Acomb / Holgate-Hamilton Drive-Acomb paired with the 10 to Stamford Bridge and a second half hourly route to maybe Foss Islands, the University and/or Dunnington. Of course Transdev now have their foot in the door on the Hamilton Drive route.
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Post by stevieinselby on Sept 1, 2015 20:31:16 GMT 1
I've heard a rumour that Abbotts have changed (reduced) the timetable on the 80/89/X80/X89 service between Northallerton, Stokesley and Middlesbrough as of this week. There's no mention of it on their website or the NYCC website, although VOSA shows a registration change for the X80/X89 (but not the 80/89) effective last week, although only received about 2 weeks before that. I've emailed Abbotts and NYCC to find out what's going on, but in the meantime does anyone else have any ideas?
On another note, while looking that up, I've found out that the market day service that Abbotts run between Northallerton and Brompton, every 30 minutes on Wednesdays and Saturdays only, looks like it is being cancelled from the end of September.
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Post by kuyoyo on Sept 1, 2015 21:41:44 GMT 1
I've heard a rumour that Abbotts have changed (reduced) the timetable on the 80/89/X80/X89 service between Northallerton, Stokesley and Middlesbrough as of this week. There's no mention of it on their website or the NYCC website, although VOSA shows a registration change for the X80/X89 (but not the 80/89) effective last week, although only received about 2 weeks before that. I've emailed Abbotts and NYCC to find out what's going on, but in the meantime does anyone else have any ideas? On another note, while looking that up, I've found out that the market day service that Abbotts run between Northallerton and Brompton, every 30 minutes on Wednesdays and Saturdays only, looks like it is being cancelled from the end of September. Not reduced. X80 diverted to serve Great Ayton and now runs later (1100 1330 and 1620 from Middlesbrough, 0945 1210 and 1500 from Northallerton).
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Post by stevieinselby on Sept 1, 2015 22:46:35 GMT 1
Not reduced. X80 diverted to serve Great Ayton and now runs later (1100 1330 and 1620 from Middlesbrough, 0945 1210 and 1500 from Northallerton). Great, thanks – would be helpful if either the bus company and/or the council actually published these changes!
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Post by kuyoyo on Sept 1, 2015 22:49:45 GMT 1
Not reduced. X80 diverted to serve Great Ayton and now runs later (1100 1330 and 1620 from Middlesbrough, 0945 1210 and 1500 from Northallerton). Great, thanks – would be helpful if either the bus company and/or the council actually published these changes! www.connectteesvalley.com/data/timetables/X80_AL_010915.pdf
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Post by jc on Sept 28, 2015 19:22:35 GMT 1
I've heard a rumour that the 6 is returning to its old route in November, no word on the 4. Apparently the 6 has had buses missing or late in peak hours most days since the changes, the mind boggles as to why since halving the route should make delays easier to manage?
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Post by stevieinselby on Sept 28, 2015 22:51:24 GMT 1
I've heard a rumour that the 6 is returning to its old route in November, no word on the 4. Apparently the 6 has had buses missing or late in peak hours most days since the changes, the mind boggles as to why since halving the route should make delays easier to manage? Yes, all other things being equal, it should be easier to run a shorter route reliably - but if they have failed to allow enough recovery time and enough additional running time during busy periods - if they're trying to do it on the cheap without enough buses, in other words - then it's very easy for a service to become less reliable.
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