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Post by 112jct41 on Jul 25, 2016 17:43:10 GMT 1
well that may be the case as 212 is down for route and timetable amendments alongside 213 in september changes. Or they're going to actually make the 212/213 into a coordinated 30 minute frequency. well it would be nice if the 213 is getting extended to wakefield as there'll be 2 more direct buses.
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Post by timelesstable on Jul 25, 2016 20:50:55 GMT 1
Oh dear first was the 711 now is this the start of "due to breakdowns" again? Tonight's tweet was this.. Two cancellations: 252 20.40 from Leeds & 223 20.40 from Leeds Maybe there's a vehicle shortage due to warburtons asking for their vans back !!!!!!! No, last week was rather hot so increased demand for Ice Cream vans
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 25, 2016 20:53:44 GMT 1
@keighleybus: SERVICE NEWS due to vehichle failure the following journey is cancelled, 12:53 from Stanbury to Keighley @metrotravelnews Maybe First WY should takeover this route and Transdev be stripped of all their tenders. Also it looks like Yorkshire Tiger are about to go out of business @yorkstigerbus: #HFXBUS We are very sorry but due to operational difficulties the 1140 578 service to Hubberton will not be running today.
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Post by gooderson1 on Jul 25, 2016 21:34:04 GMT 1
Where does the information about Yorkshire Tiger going out of business come from. If it is only an unfounded rumour then you leave yourself open to possible civil action. If it is fact then you should post full details including details of sources of your information.
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Post by MT on Jul 25, 2016 21:51:47 GMT 1
Where does the information about Yorkshire Tiger going out of business come from. If it is only an unfounded rumour then you leave yourself open to possible civil action. If it is fact then you should post full details including details of sources of your information. *woosh*
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Jul 25, 2016 22:11:42 GMT 1
I think it's very obvious West Yorkshire bus was being sarcastic based on the fact some Arriva fanatics on here hate LOT and recon they'll be out of business the very nanosecond after a cancelled journey! Look non LOT fans, all bus companies cancel journeys at least once a week, look at how many First fail to run every week in Leeds thanks to the strike linked issues. Yes it's a bit odd that 2 journeys from Leeds at the same time are cancelled but do you have proof it's not down to breakdowns? Stop with all the crap talk about handing back tenders just because they're taking on another route, it's totally ridiculous to say such nonsense just because they withdrew the 711 which by the way was NOT a Metro tendered service and so was NOT handed back to Metro! The only link to Metro was their feckless unwarranted seeking out of a replacement operator when Tiger withdrew the COMMERCIALLY operated route!
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Post by pub146g on Jul 25, 2016 22:15:17 GMT 1
You beat me to it, I was just about to say similar.
The constant jibes about LOT is becoming very tiresome.
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Post by mutty on Jul 25, 2016 22:26:54 GMT 1
You beat me to it, I was just about to say similar. The constant jibes about LOT is becoming very tiresome. People are entitled to their opinions and with the bread vans lot operate, they leave themselves wide open to Micky taking .
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Jul 25, 2016 22:33:09 GMT 1
Are the Arriva gang going to take the Mickey out of TJ Walsh in the forum playground tomorrow? Never known a bus company be so bullied over the vehicles operated, or is there more to this bullying, e.g. a dislike of the company name, maybe the Arriva gang feel threatened more Arriva tenders will go to LOT in the future!
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Post by pub146g on Jul 25, 2016 23:03:10 GMT 1
You beat me to it, I was just about to say similar. The constant jibes about LOT is becoming very tiresome. People are entitled to their opinions and with the bread vans lot operate, they leave themselves wide open to Micky taking . A valid opinion maybe - not the repetitive drivel that appears on here almost continuously!
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Post by leeds rider on Jul 26, 2016 0:23:52 GMT 1
You beat me to it, I was just about to say similar. The constant jibes about LOT is becoming very tiresome. Me too! The constant reference to "breadvans" is just tedious and irritating. Especially, AIUI, there is precisely 1 (one) VW minibus which was acquired specifically for a contract requiring a 16-seat vehicle.
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Post by mutty on Jul 26, 2016 11:08:24 GMT 1
You beat me to it, I was just about to say similar. The constant jibes about LOT is becoming very tiresome. Me too! The constant reference to "breadvans" is just tedious and irritating. Especially, AIUI, there is precisely 1 (one) VW minibus which was acquired specifically for a contract requiring a 16-seat vehicle. Acquired for the 197 yet it gets put on the 223 / 252 etc, and as for metro awarding them some arriva tenders ..... Metro ain't that daft!
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Post by A1YBG on Jul 26, 2016 14:24:28 GMT 1
Me too! The constant reference to "breadvans" is just tedious and irritating. Especially, AIUI, there is precisely 1 (one) VW minibus which was acquired specifically for a contract requiring a 16-seat vehicle. Acquired for the 197 yet it gets put on the 223 / 252 etc, and as for metro awarding them some arriva tenders ..... Metro ain't that daft! It was placed on 781 today! Sent from my D6603 using proboards
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Post by dimmock87 on Jul 26, 2016 23:51:09 GMT 1
Doesn't make sense & crnt be cost effective for these to run the 49 pontefract/ackworth route considering where they are based
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Post by mutty on Jul 27, 2016 12:13:52 GMT 1
Doesn't make sense & crnt be cost effective for these to run the 49 pontefract/ackworth route considering where they are based They try to win any tender going then when they can't operate it " it's sorry, we have a vehicle breakdown " and it goes unpunished by metro !!
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Post by sharksmith on Jul 27, 2016 13:15:25 GMT 1
I really don't know how Metro could possibly punish them when it appears the only criteria they are now using for tender awards is lowest price. Common sense says an operator from Brighouse cannot possibly do a job in Pontefract cheaper than an Arriva or M Travel or any other independent based in that area, or is it just that relationships between Metro and bus operators in the county has become so bad that LOT were the only bidders.
Maybe someone at Metro/WYCA really has been brainwashed into believing that most bus operators are swimming in profits, if so they need to have a reality check and start asking 'how can they do this so cheap?'. In any case when it all goes pear shaped they will probably turn around and say that at least they got the taxpayer value for money, forgetting the pensioners they've helped to strand out in the rain.
Even when using the most reputable of companies a bus will break down and how many journeys will be missed while a replacement is located. It's nothing to do with bread vans, it's just common sense which is not allowed to operate in government departments and large corporations these days.
In defence of LOT the Primo's they are using can't be all bad as they were used for quite some time by Reays between 2011 and 2014, outlasting MCV Evolution bodied VDL's and Enviro 200's in Carlisle, and others continue in use with TJ Walsh in Halifax, neither company who has gone out of business running 'real buses' like Geldards, and many many others over the last few years.
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Post by dimmock87 on Jul 27, 2016 13:39:06 GMT 1
Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. You'd have fort that maybe bl travel or even Watersons might go in n bid on the tender.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Jul 27, 2016 14:55:42 GMT 1
Me too! The constant reference to "breadvans" is just tedious and irritating. Especially, AIUI, there is precisely 1 (one) VW minibus which was acquired specifically for a contract requiring a 16-seat vehicle. Acquired for the 197 yet it gets put on the 223 / 252 etc, and as for metro awarding them some arriva tenders ..... Metro ain't that daft! Believe it wasnt actually acquired for the 197, but rather for the associated school service.
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Post by whereami on Jul 27, 2016 15:09:39 GMT 1
Acquired for the 197 yet it gets put on the 223 / 252 etc, and as for metro awarding them some arriva tenders ..... Metro ain't that daft! Believe it wasnt actually acquired for the 197, but rather for the associated school service. Or are we all getting mixed up/forgotten, that they also have this VW Crafter, spotted July 12th at Halifax, doing 226 run.
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Post by gooderson1 on Jul 27, 2016 15:21:45 GMT 1
Unless someone enlighten us I would think that when Metro issue a tender document they would specify the size of vehicle, time of operation etc.
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Post by shedman on Jul 27, 2016 15:35:55 GMT 1
Thank god Arriva never used to run a service to Sheffield, 30 miles by motorway from their nearest maintenance depot because the 25 miles from Brighouse to Pontefact (or 28 miles to Ackworth) really would look silly wouldn't it.
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Post by sharksmith on Jul 27, 2016 16:05:19 GMT 1
Thank god Arriva never used to run a service to Sheffield, 30 miles by motorway from their nearest maintenance depot because the 25 miles from Brighouse to Pontefact (or 28 miles to Ackworth) really would look silly wouldn't it. The big difference there though is that Arriva's service at least started close to home. This would be the equivalent of Arriva registering a service to run from Sheffield to Chesterfield run by Belle Isle. And yes I think Transdev Keighley operating the 846 is similarly strange and that's nowhere near the distance from base but when there is a breakdown it affects more than one departure.
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Post by sharksmith on Jul 27, 2016 16:20:38 GMT 1
The big difference there though is that Arriva's service at least started close to home. This would be the equivalent of Arriva registering a service to run from Sheffield to Chesterfield run by Belle Isle. What difference does starting near a depot make? Because a breakdown in Sheffield would affect the return journey but a replacement can be ready at home for the next trip. In this case a breakdown could easily result in the next working being lost too, even if they have a spare vehicle and driver available. Passengers don't care about recovery, I agree that makes no difference, but if two hourly trips are missed that's a long time to wait for a replacement.
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Post by Burnside on Jul 27, 2016 17:17:14 GMT 1
I think the big issue over LOT is the way they handled the 711 once they cancelled the registration.
Yes, other firms have breakdowns but not to the extent of an entire route not operating for 4 weeks.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 27, 2016 17:39:47 GMT 1
Doesn't make sense & crnt be cost effective for these to run the 49 pontefract/ackworth route considering where they are based They try to win any tender going then when they can't operate it " it's sorry, we have a vehicle breakdown " and it goes unpunished by metro !! Yorkshire Tiger have cancelled a vast number of departures over the last year on their Elland based tenders, yet they arent being slammed and demanded to be stripped of their tenders.
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