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Post by Matty on Feb 16, 2011 22:06:41 GMT 1
I noticed a sign at Halifax Bus Station today saying something along the lines of "If you wish to take photo's or film in Metro's Bus Stations, ask a Bus Station security guard or phone...."
It is good to see Metro are starting to understand about enthusiasts now.
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Post by jamesstoker on Feb 16, 2011 22:31:50 GMT 1
I had a long conversation with the security staff in Leeds Bus Station the week.
They did indicate they were being told by Metro in most bus stations to become more enthusiast friendly, I was told that as long as a senior member of security staff knows you are photographing buses in the station, then you should be ok.
Glad signs are being posted!
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Post by holland1987 on Feb 16, 2011 22:50:07 GMT 1
I once got told off by a Veolia York driver for photographing his bus, i said words back "are you a police officer, if not shut up".
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 16, 2011 23:19:26 GMT 1
I once got told off by a Veolia York driver for photographing his bus, i said words back "are you a police officer, if not shut up". and I'm sure that really improved future relations  |
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Post by holland1987 on Feb 16, 2011 23:28:49 GMT 1
Well only 1 month later Veolia became Transdev.
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Post by kendall17 on Feb 16, 2011 23:59:37 GMT 1
i said words back "are you a police officer, if not shut up". Did that make you feel 'hard'? |
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Post by Matty on Feb 17, 2011 8:19:58 GMT 1
i said words back "are you a police officer, if not shut up". Did that make you feel 'hard'? Exactly what I thought. lol |
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Post by jamesstoker on Feb 17, 2011 10:27:52 GMT 1
See, I respect that some drivers do not like their photographs taken!
However, I contest my right to take such photographs, as far as the law goes, if you are on public land, you can photograph anything, even if you are photographing private property from public land!
As far as photographing of buses goes, you are photographing the bus; not the driver or passengers!
And as the driver and passengers appear in the image by matter of coincidence none have the right to claim otherwise!
Most of the time in bus photo's as far as drivers are concerned, you can hardly see them or make out who they are in photographs!
As a general rule however, if I see a bus parked, and I don't know the driver, or how they've reacted to photographs in the past I go over and ask!
There is a mentality today that everything is anti-photographer but that really isn't the case!
As for photography in bus stations it must be said, some bus stations are busy and dangerous places, and if a driver is distracted (as much as people might say he shouldn't be) by a bus photographer, who knows what the result could be!
I agree that in some cases bus station shots are essential, eg. I see a rare vehicle turn while waiting for my bus; "out a door, quick photo, back in!" but in most bus stations there are much more photogenic places just away from the bus station itself, which are far more safe to photograph in!
Anyway I've had my turn on the soap box,
My opinions and I'm not exactly expecting others to agree but in any case, I hope what I've said has been helpful!
J.
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Post by holland1987 on Feb 17, 2011 12:28:16 GMT 1
The problem is some drivers overreact and have a hissy fit.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Feb 17, 2011 14:53:28 GMT 1
Can't blame them, particularly if they don't want their date to possibly find out through flicker or fotopic that their not that flash business man they said they were. It all boils down to peoples right to privacy, like myself, some people like to remain private outside their existing circle of family/friends. Asking if the driver is willing to be photographed is common sense, also ask the passengers as well or at least air brush them out!
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Post by Matty on Feb 17, 2011 21:20:05 GMT 1
I went to Barnsley today & one Tates driver did not want his photo taken, he didn't do anything much, just as soon as he saw me he pulled his sun visor all the way down.
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Feb 17, 2011 21:38:16 GMT 1
As a rule I only take photos of buses now at rallys and museums or if they are parked up at a terminus or town centre timing point awaiting a driver. I have heard so many tales of photographers having run ins with drivers over taking photographs of their buses that I can do without the argo and have decided to play it safe and not take photos of buses when they are in normal service.
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Post by busman3 on Feb 17, 2011 21:42:32 GMT 1
Remember that when there have been realy problems with drivers not wanting photos taken its been for a reason the worst one was in the north east just after dereg when it was found out that they didnt have lincences or were on the dole.
Most tranpsort operators with a common sense will welocme enthusiasts on premises / bus staitons as it means there are more eyes on the premises that will noticce things amis. Indeed when things do go wrong it is quite common for the police to ask for photos or films from enthusiasts . However, we need to be responsible and some of the comments made on this thread dont fall in that catagory.
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Post by guyarab on Feb 17, 2011 22:00:18 GMT 1
Can't blame them, particularly if they don't want their date to possibly find out through flicker or fotopic that their not that flash business man they said they were. It all boils down to peoples right to privacy, like myself, some people like to remain private outside their existing circle of family/friends. Asking if the driver is willing to be photographed is common sense, also ask the passengers as well or at least air brush them out! Are your comments of a "tongue in cheek" nature, or do you really mean what you say? Who's going to ask 75 people on a 'decker for their permission to, maybe, show their faces on a photograph when taking a picture of a bus? Perhaps the laws in the Irish Republic are different to those in the U.K. and you have to get agreement first. I'm with James' comments above. |
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Feb 17, 2011 22:15:26 GMT 1
Can't blame them, particularly if they don't want their date to possibly find out through flicker or fotopic that their not that flash business man they said they were. It all boils down to peoples right to privacy, like myself, some people like to remain private outside their existing circle of family/friends. Asking if the driver is willing to be photographed is common sense, also ask the passengers as well or at least air brush them out! Are your comments of a "tongue in cheek" nature, or do you really mean what you say? Who's going to ask 75 people on a 'decker for their permission to, maybe, show their faces on a photograph when taking a picture of a bus? Perhaps the laws in the Irish Republic are different to those in the U.K. and you have to get agreement first. I'm with James' comments above. Well obviously it would be difficult to get permission from 75 people on a moving bus when your outside but it isn't that difficult with the technology we have today to air brush members of the public out. We're photographing the bus, not people who may want to be hidden from the camera lens for their own reasons. |
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Post by jamesstoker on Feb 17, 2011 23:02:08 GMT 1
I went to Barnsley today & one Tates driver did not want his photo taken, he didn't do anything much, just as soon as he saw me he pulled his sun visor all the way down. That I can respect, he didn't want himself to appear on the photograph, so he made an attempt to hide his face from your photograph! I take it you'd rather have had him do this than gesticulate, or stop, get out, or lean out of his window to have a go! He let you take your photo and he was on his way! I'm quite happy with drivers who are like this! Some independent operators have a bad image, such as the one I photographed yesterday, when hunting out the repainted ex Yorkbus Atlantean GSC621X! They have a reputation for drivers being untoward, but I've never had a problem photographing their vehicles, either in depots or out on the road! It's also a case with them however that after leaving Trimdon Motor Services my grandfather drove on and off for this company, and most of the staff there know him / me! Part of the problem with some drivers is not knowing shat we are about, I had a falling out with a driver some years ago, which was resolved after boarding his bus and explaining more about my hobby, now he assists with knowing fleet movements, photo-stops and so on! |
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Post by holland1987 on Feb 17, 2011 23:09:28 GMT 1
We live in a pathetic world these days. Was there these issues in the 70's, 80's and maybe 90's. I doubt it.
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Post by mayneway on Feb 17, 2011 23:29:23 GMT 1
I went to Barnsley today & one Tates driver did not want his photo taken, he didn't do anything much, just as soon as he saw me he pulled his sun visor all the way down. The question i am thinking is why didn't he want his photo taking. It does seem to be more independant operator's drivers who have issues with there bus being photographed. Ive been driving for 10 years now and dont have a problem with anyone taking a photo of the bus im driving. I have to say though that sometimes photographers stand in places where they are somewhat of a distraction. I do think that out of courtersy wherever possible theres no harm in asking drivers if they mind. The odd few come and ask me if im on layover and i always say yes, and normally ask them to email me copies too  |
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Post by jamesstoker on Feb 18, 2011 0:30:43 GMT 1
The question i am thinking is why didn't he want his photo taking. Yes! Valid point! I always do wonder; "what has this driver got to hide!" ...sometimes photographers stand in places where they are somewhat of a distraction. Yep! Some enthusiasts don't help with things! In a bus station in a busy environment the last thing a bus driver wants is to have to watch out for photographers "jumping out" in front of you, as one driver described it quite aptly last year to me! J. |
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Post by kendall17 on Feb 18, 2011 1:10:24 GMT 1
If you dont want your photo taking, you dont want your photo taking. Simples. I aren't keen on having mine done at the best of times and thats normally not by a complete stranger partaking in his hobby.
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Post by mayneway on Feb 18, 2011 19:09:41 GMT 1
The question i am thinking is why didn't he want his photo taking. Yes! Valid point! I always do wonder; "what has this driver got to hide!" ...sometimes photographers stand in places where they are somewhat of a distraction. Yep! Some enthusiasts don't help with things! In a bus station in a busy environment the last thing a bus driver wants is to have to watch out for photographers "jumping out" in front of you, as one driver described it quite aptly last year to me! J. Bus Stations arn't too bad, i find some photographers often stand directly outside the bus staion, normally on the small island in the middle of the road where the traffic lights are situated, this can often be a distraction. |
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Post by mayneway on Feb 18, 2011 19:18:42 GMT 1
If you dont want your photo taking, you dont want your photo taking. Simples. I aren't keen on having mine done at the best of times and thats normally not by a complete stranger partaking in his hobby. Seems a strange view to me. If you arn't wanted by the police or interpole, and are not on the dole while working whats the problem, you carn't even walk down the street now without being captured on CCTV, and many bus companies now take and store images on there CCTV systems, how is someone going about there hobby any different. The company i work for recently sacked a driver who was rude and abusive to someone taking a photo of the bus he was driving, and a driver of another local firm was sacked a while ago when he was snapped driving out of the bus station with a full load of passengers, holding his running board up to cover his face WITH BOTH HANDS while the bus was in motion. |
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Post by Matty on Feb 18, 2011 20:42:10 GMT 1
Everytime I see someone take a photo of a bus I am on, I always attemt to stick my thumbs up & smile at the person that is taking it because I might be on the internet when I get home & it gives me something to look for.
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Post by timelesstable on Feb 18, 2011 20:59:08 GMT 1
If you dont want your photo taking, you dont want your photo taking. Simples. I aren't keen on having mine done at the best of times and thats normally not by a complete stranger partaking in his hobby. Seems a strange view to me. If you arn't wanted by the police or interpole, and are not on the dole while working whats the problem, you carn't even walk down the street now without being captured on CCTV, and many bus companies now take and store images on there CCTV systems, how is someone going about there hobby any different. CCTV is not plastered all over the internet, I can thing of a host of legal reasons why any driver might not want to be identified. How long before a driver of anything is successful in claiming at the time of the accident while he was temporarily blinded when a camera flash went off in front of him! |
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Post by holland1987 on Feb 18, 2011 22:13:27 GMT 1
If drivers don't like it, why they driving buses ?
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