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Post by mayneway on Feb 19, 2011 0:12:01 GMT 1
Seems a strange view to me. If you arn't wanted by the police or interpole, and are not on the dole while working whats the problem, you carn't even walk down the street now without being captured on CCTV, and many bus companies now take and store images on there CCTV systems, how is someone going about there hobby any different. CCTV is not plastered all over the internet, I can thing of a host of legal reasons why any driver might not want to be identified. How long before a driver of anything is successful in claiming at the time of the accident while he was temporarily blinded when a camera flash went off in front of him! Plastered is a bit strong, more like a few photo sharing sites where nine times out of ten its nearly impossible to make out the driver anyway. The only reasons why can see why a driver wouldn't want snapping is because there on the fiddle, working for more than one company or on benifits while working. Ive never heard of someones security being breeched by having there photo taken and uploaded to Fotopic/Flikr. At the end of the day were just getting a little bit of pleasure out of taking a photo of a bus, its been going on for years, what harm are we doing?
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Post by kendall17 on Feb 19, 2011 0:42:35 GMT 1
If drivers don't like it, why they driving buses ? Oh dear. Is having your photo taken part of your job description whilst driving a bus?
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Post by kendall17 on Feb 19, 2011 0:45:21 GMT 1
If you dont want your photo taking, you dont want your photo taking. Simples. I aren't keen on having mine done at the best of times and thats normally not by a complete stranger partaking in his hobby. Seems a strange view to me. If you arn't wanted by the police or interpole, and are not on the dole while working whats the problem, you carn't even walk down the street now without being captured on CCTV, and many bus companies now take and store images on there CCTV systems, how is someone going about there hobby any different. Strange, because you aren't of the same opinion as me. You dont have to be wanted by anyone to not want to be pictured. My old man hates it too. Its because he's different to enthusiasts and finds them a pest. CCTV & taking general pictures are years apart. Find me similarities between the two and i may take that back.
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Post by timelesstable on Feb 19, 2011 9:31:00 GMT 1
CCTV is not plastered all over the internet, I can thing of a host of legal reasons why any driver might not want to be identified. How long before a driver of anything is successful in claiming at the time of the accident while he was temporarily blinded when a camera flash went off in front of him! Plastered is a bit strong, more like a few photo sharing sites where nine times out of ten its nearly impossible to make out the driver anyway. The only reasons why can see why a driver wouldn't want snapping is because there on the fiddle, working for more than one company or on benifits while working. Ive never heard of someones security being breeched by having there photo taken and uploaded to Fotopic/Flikr. At the end of the day were just getting a little bit of pleasure out of taking a photo of a bus, its been going on for years, what harm are we doing? Sorry don't agree, someone might have moved into a new area and wants to keep that secret from where they used to live then all of a sudden there they are behind the wheel of a bus in Leeds. By all means take the picture of the bus, but have some respect for the driver and passengers.
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Post by guyarab on Feb 19, 2011 16:30:52 GMT 1
Are your comments of a "tongue in cheek" nature, or do you really mean what you say? Who's going to ask 75 people on a 'decker for their permission to, maybe, show their faces on a photograph when taking a picture of a bus? Perhaps the laws in the Irish Republic are different to those in the U.K. and you have to get agreement first. I'm with James' comments above. Well obviously it would be difficult to get permission from 75 people on a moving bus when your outside but it isn't that difficult with the technology we have today to air brush members of the public out. We're photographing the bus, not people who may want to be hidden from the camera lens for their own reasons. I tend to take pictures of buses; people )passengers or drivers) are incidental and most of us will not be looking at them, so, in my opinion, there is no need to eradicate them from the finished product. The picture could look odd with all the editing required.
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Post by mayneway on Feb 19, 2011 19:54:23 GMT 1
Seems a strange view to me. If you arn't wanted by the police or interpole, and are not on the dole while working whats the problem, you carn't even walk down the street now without being captured on CCTV, and many bus companies now take and store images on there CCTV systems, how is someone going about there hobby any different. Strange, because you aren't of the same opinion as me. You dont have to be wanted by anyone to not want to be pictured. My old man hates it too. Its because he's different to enthusiasts and finds them a pest. CCTV & taking general pictures are years apart. Find me similarities between the two and i may take that back. I dont need to find similarities, i simply find it a little strange that you have such an issue with someone going about there hobby. Bus photographers CAN be pests i agree but theres ways of means of dealing with them in a decent way and making rude jestures or making agressive threats isn't the way, im sure you would agree with me on that.
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Post by mayneway on Feb 19, 2011 19:56:49 GMT 1
If drivers don't like it, why they driving buses ? Oh dear. Is having your photo taken part of your job description whilst driving a bus? Well yes and no, many larger companies give bus enthusiasts taking photo's a mention in there compnay handbooks, i know Stagecoach Manchester did when i worked there some years ago.
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Post by kendall17 on Feb 19, 2011 20:26:07 GMT 1
Oh dear. Is having your photo taken part of your job description whilst driving a bus? Well yes and no, many larger companies give bus enthusiasts taking photo's a mention in there compnay handbooks, i know Stagecoach Manchester did when i worked there some years ago. They do but what does that mean? Because driver A doesn't like his photo being taken, should he quit his job and work in another industry?
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Post by kendall17 on Feb 19, 2011 20:27:42 GMT 1
Strange, because you aren't of the same opinion as me. You dont have to be wanted by anyone to not want to be pictured. My old man hates it too. Its because he's different to enthusiasts and finds them a pest. CCTV & taking general pictures are years apart. Find me similarities between the two and i may take that back. I dont need to find similarities, i simply find it a little strange that you have such an issue with someone going about there hobby. Bus photographers CAN be pests i agree but theres ways of means of dealing with them in a decent way and making rude jestures or making agressive threats isn't the way, im sure you would agree with me on that. I have no issue with people going about their hobby. I have a sympathy with drivers who dont like their photos being taken for what ever reason they have. Agreed that there are good ways to go about it, but after a while and numberous photographers, you can see why they get annoyed and react in the way they do.
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Post by mayneway on Feb 19, 2011 20:45:08 GMT 1
Well yes and no, many larger companies give bus enthusiasts taking photo's a mention in there compnay handbooks, i know Stagecoach Manchester did when i worked there some years ago. They do but what does that mean? Because driver A doesn't like his photo being taken, should he quit his job and work in another industry? No, but it is part of the job and drivers should to a certain degree understand that there are people interested in there industry and that these people enjoy taking photo's of buses. Alot of companies are pro enthusiast these days, and are happy to let enthusaists visit there depots ect so yes to a point it has become part of the job.
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Post by mayneway on Feb 19, 2011 20:49:05 GMT 1
I dont need to find similarities, i simply find it a little strange that you have such an issue with someone going about there hobby. Bus photographers CAN be pests i agree but theres ways of means of dealing with them in a decent way and making rude jestures or making agressive threats isn't the way, im sure you would agree with me on that. I have no issue with people going about their hobby. I have a sympathy with drivers who dont like their photos being taken for what ever reason they have. Agreed that there are good ways to go about it, but after a while and numberous photographers, you can see why they get annoyed and react in the way they do. Im not sure if your a driver yourself or not, but if you have 10 photographers in one duty take a photo of the bus your driving why does it become an issue. As ive said previously, using a flash and or standing or behaving in a way that may be of a distraction is an issue but i still dont see what the problem is.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Feb 19, 2011 21:02:09 GMT 1
The issue regarding any photograph with me in is that I don't want it to end up in the public domain where I possibly could be discovered by someone I don't want to be discovered by. A lot of people will be in this situation as well. Let's give some respect to peoples right to privacy.
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Post by kendall17 on Feb 19, 2011 21:16:58 GMT 1
I have no issue with people going about their hobby. I have a sympathy with drivers who dont like their photos being taken for what ever reason they have. Agreed that there are good ways to go about it, but after a while and numberous photographers, you can see why they get annoyed and react in the way they do. Im not sure if your a driver yourself or not, but if you have 10 photographers in one duty take a photo of the bus your driving why does it become an issue. As ive said previously, using a flash and or standing or behaving in a way that may be of a distraction is an issue but i still dont see what the problem is. I dont like my picture being taken. Thats what the problem is.
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Post by mayneway on Feb 19, 2011 21:53:57 GMT 1
Im not sure if your a driver yourself or not, but if you have 10 photographers in one duty take a photo of the bus your driving why does it become an issue. As ive said previously, using a flash and or standing or behaving in a way that may be of a distraction is an issue but i still dont see what the problem is. I dont like my picture being taken. Thats what the problem is. Well the fact Metro, as well as other PTE's around the country recognise enthusiasts wanting to take photo's, it seems its not a problem at all. The fact you see photographers as 'PESTS' sums it up for me, thank god 90% of bus drivers [again i assume your a driver] are OK with people taking a little pleasure in photographing the bus there driving. I do wonder what the chances are of someone you dont want seeing you[ for whatever reason] stumbling across a photo of you driving your bus. Infact as someone mentioned earlier in the thread, often its hard to make out the driver anyway, the only drivers i ever notice on Fotopic/Flikr are the ones trying to hide there faces or making a rude jesture to the photographer. I just hope no one ever gets in the way of you doing and enjoying your hobby
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Post by kendall17 on Feb 19, 2011 22:10:33 GMT 1
I dont like my picture being taken. Thats what the problem is. Well the fact Metro, as well as other PTE's around the country recognise enthusiasts wanting to take photo's, it seems its not a problem at all. The fact you see photographers as 'PESTS' sums it up for me, thank god 90% of bus drivers [again i assume your a driver] are OK with people taking a little pleasure in photographing the bus there driving. I do wonder what the chances are of someone you dont want seeing you[ for whatever reason] stumbling across a photo of you driving your bus. Infact as someone mentioned earlier in the thread, often its hard to make out the driver anyway, the only drivers i ever notice on Fotopic/Flikr are the ones trying to hide there faces or making a rude jesture to the photographer. I just hope no one ever gets in the way of you doing and enjoying your hobby You've presumed wrong. I'm not a driver. I haven't branded them as pests, just a family member has. Sitting on my dad's coach in an October in Blackpool (few years back now) we were having our photo taken every 2mins, registration plate noted, people asking to get on to take photos. Not good that is it? I agree with letting people get on ith their hobbies, but everyone has a right to say no, whether it be to have their picture taken or something more serious. Dont worry, no-one will ever get in the way of me attending my hobby.
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Post by timelesstable on Feb 20, 2011 10:03:24 GMT 1
Work this one out, it's OK to include the driver and passengers when the are inside the bus on a picture, so why do the camera happy get so upset when you are stood in front of or walk past the bus while they are snapping away?
Is that not double standards................
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Post by driver6540 on Feb 20, 2011 22:18:32 GMT 1
Work this one out, it's OK to include the driver and passengers when the are inside the bus on a picture, so why do the camera happy get so upset when you are stood in front of or walk past the bus while they are snapping away? Is that not double standards................ Why is it double standards?. Whats wrong with respecting peoples right to privacy. If anyone wants to photo my truck, for whatever reason, ive no problem providing my permission is asked, however if not , i reserve the right to boot them up the arse, and yeah that does make me hard!.
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Post by mayneway on Feb 21, 2011 23:34:43 GMT 1
Work this one out, it's OK to include the driver and passengers when the are inside the bus on a picture, so why do the camera happy get so upset when you are stood in front of or walk past the bus while they are snapping away? Is that not double standards................ Why is it double standards?. Whats wrong with respecting peoples right to privacy. If anyone wants to photo my truck, for whatever reason, ive no problem providing my permission is asked, however if not , i reserve the right to boot them up the arse, and yeah that does make me hard!. I think the poster is referring to Photographers getting upset when a pedestrian/general member of the public gets in the way of them taking the 'perfect' shot of a bus.
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Post by mayneway on Feb 21, 2011 23:48:21 GMT 1
Well the fact Metro, as well as other PTE's around the country recognise enthusiasts wanting to take photo's, it seems its not a problem at all. The fact you see photographers as 'PESTS' sums it up for me, thank god 90% of bus drivers [again i assume your a driver] are OK with people taking a little pleasure in photographing the bus there driving. I do wonder what the chances are of someone you dont want seeing you[ for whatever reason] stumbling across a photo of you driving your bus. Infact as someone mentioned earlier in the thread, often its hard to make out the driver anyway, the only drivers i ever notice on Fotopic/Flikr are the ones trying to hide there faces or making a rude jesture to the photographer. I just hope no one ever gets in the way of you doing and enjoying your hobby You've presumed wrong. I'm not a driver. I haven't branded them as pests, just a family member has. Sitting on my dad's coach in an October in Blackpool (few years back now) we were having our photo taken every 2mins, registration plate noted, people asking to get on to take photos. Not good that is it? I agree with letting people get on ith their hobbies, but everyone has a right to say no, whether it be to have their picture taken or something more serious. Dont worry, no-one will ever get in the way of me attending my hobby. But again how is Joe Blogs standing on the pavement outside a bus station jotting down the registrations of passing buses/coaches in any way a problem for the driver? Bus drivers are indeed intitled to privacy, but as they work in the public eye they should accept that there will be times when bus enthusiasts want to photograph the bus there driving [not them], if they dont want to be in the public eye, they should consider a different career. Enthusiasts can be a problem. Where i work we constantly have people turning up wanting to come into the yard to take photo's etc, we have had to restrict them to Sundays only when the yard is quiet, and i would agree that enthusiasts wanting to come aboard to take photo's is a little much, but at least they ask and dont just do it.
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Post by timelesstable on Feb 21, 2011 23:52:48 GMT 1
Why is it double standards?. Whats wrong with respecting peoples right to privacy. If anyone wants to photo my truck, for whatever reason, ive no problem providing my permission is asked, however if not , i reserve the right to boot them up the arse, and yeah that does make me hard!. I think the poster is referring to Photographers getting upset when a pedestrian/general member of the public gets in the way of them taking the 'perfect' shot of a bus. Spot on
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Post by kendall17 on Feb 22, 2011 0:13:05 GMT 1
You've presumed wrong. I'm not a driver. I haven't branded them as pests, just a family member has. Sitting on my dad's coach in an October in Blackpool (few years back now) we were having our photo taken every 2mins, registration plate noted, people asking to get on to take photos. Not good that is it? I agree with letting people get on ith their hobbies, but everyone has a right to say no, whether it be to have their picture taken or something more serious. Dont worry, no-one will ever get in the way of me attending my hobby. But again how is Joe Blogs standing on the pavement outside a bus station jotting down the registrations of passing buses/coaches in any way a problem for the driver? Bus drivers are indeed intitled to privacy, but as they work in the public eye they should accept that there will be times when bus enthusiasts want to photograph the bus there driving [not them], if they dont want to be in the public eye, they should consider a different career. Enthusiasts can be a problem. Where i work we constantly have people turning up wanting to come into the yard to take photo's etc, we have had to restrict them to Sundays only when the yard is quiet, and i would agree that enthusiasts wanting to come aboard to take photo's is a little much, but at least they ask and dont just do it. When you're sat there, with door open and they jot the reg plate, then the VIN plate, then the legals, then ask you what it seats etc. Its annoying. So, anyone that works in the public eye and doesn't like their photographs being taken, they should consider a job. I dont like my photo being taken at all because, I aren't confident and dont feel photogenic. Now, if i was driving a bus and in the same situation, i wouldn't like it. They maybe photographing the bus, but the driver is still in the picture and still feels like the main focus of the shot.
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Post by guyarab on Feb 22, 2011 15:13:09 GMT 1
... They maybe photographing the bus, but the driver is still in the picture and still feels like the main focus of the shot. The driver is rarely seen in the picture, so I can't see the problem. If the photographs are are available, they are usually seen/bought by fellow enthusuasts interested in the bus - not the friver (or passengers).
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Post by timelesstable on Feb 22, 2011 15:37:23 GMT 1
... They maybe photographing the bus, but the driver is still in the picture and still feels like the main focus of the shot. The driver is rarely seen in the picture, so I can't see the problem. If the photographs are are available, they are usually seen/bought by fellow enthusuasts interested in the bus - not the friver (or passengers). I agree that often the driver is not recognisable but unfortunately at the time the shutter is clicking away the driver IS NOT AWARE OF THAT
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Post by kendall17 on Feb 22, 2011 18:32:51 GMT 1
... They maybe photographing the bus, but the driver is still in the picture and still feels like the main focus of the shot. The driver is rarely seen in the picture, so I can't see the problem. If the photographs are are available, they are usually seen/bought by fellow enthusuasts interested in the bus - not the driver (or passengers). The driver is often seen if the picture is taken looking at the front of the bus. I dont have a problem with them taking photos, but i wouldn't like it if i was a driver and i can see their point of view.
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Post by guyarab on Feb 23, 2011 14:21:22 GMT 1
Much ado about nothing!
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