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Post by joseph on May 7, 2024 18:05:15 GMT 1
News from Bramley, no longer embargoed: Services 19/19A: Frequency reduction to increase reliability. This will mean a new frequency range on the combined service of between 20 minutes in quieter periods and up to 30 minutes at peak times. That's pretty bad when you consider how poor the service through the Colton area already is, I waited half an hour on York Road recently for the 19/A and 163. When you look at the individual sections such as Tinshill and Ireland Wood it's already poor, now it'll be hourly at peak times! They may as well admit defeat and drop those sections because I bet many will walk up for a 6 if they are within a 20 minute walk of one.
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Post by mattb7tl on May 7, 2024 18:07:36 GMT 1
On the bright side... The X6, going back every 15 minutes!
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on May 7, 2024 18:22:08 GMT 1
News from Bramley, no longer embargoed: Services 19/19A: Frequency reduction to increase reliability. This will mean a new frequency range on the combined service of between 20 minutes in quieter periods and up to 30 minutes at peak times. Absolutely terrible timetable yet again. Why does the 19A have faster running times throughout the day than the 19 between Leeds City Centre & Burley?! EXACT SAME ROUTE AND ROADS. Useless! Then about 1300 onwards the 19A has 4 minutes, the 19 has 8? Where is the logic in this? This saga continues all day and on other parts of common route too. The running times should be identical between Halton and Spen Lane/Iveson Estate. When I drove these services many years ago both 19 and 19A had the same running time between East Garforth and City Centre (even though the 19A went via Colton) and it worked well because they had time built in to the timetable to account for this between Harehills Lane and City Centre. I will stop going on now because this kind of stuff really riles me. They are treating them like two separate routes instead of a combined service. USELESS.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 7, 2024 18:29:29 GMT 1
Looking across the main part of the day, the X6 actually looks to be every 14 minutes
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Post by mattb7tl on May 7, 2024 18:41:59 GMT 1
News from Bramley, no longer embargoed: Services 19/19A: Frequency reduction to increase reliability. This will mean a new frequency range on the combined service of between 20 minutes in quieter periods and up to 30 minutes at peak times. Absolutely terrible timetable yet again. Why does the 19A have faster running times throughout the day than the 19 between Leeds City Centre & Burley?! EXACT SAME ROUTE AND ROADS. Useless! Then about 1300 onwards the 19A has 4 minutes, the 19 has 8? Where is the logic in this? This saga continues all day and on other parts of common route too. The running times should be identical between Halton and Spen Lane/Iveson Estate. When I drove these services many years ago both 19 and 19A had the same running time between East Garforth and City Centre (even though the 19A went via Colton) and it worked well because they had time built in to the timetable to account for this between Harehills Lane and City Centre. I will stop going on now because this kind of stuff really riles me. They are treating them like two separate routes instead of a combined service. USELESS. It's super silly. I mean with my local route they overtimed leaving the town centre, so instead of before where it ran there minutes late, and catches up. It now seems to do the opposite by running three minutes early and losing time. It's a bunch of nonsense. I don't believe there's any actual reliability increase, just fiddled numbers. I hope they learn their lesson sooner or later!
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Post by 77syk7 on May 7, 2024 20:24:21 GMT 1
Pleased to see some later buses from Halifax to Northowram and Bradford with a 2300 departure Monday to Friday on the 682. However, once again there is no coordination with the 508, have a look at the evening departure times from Halifax. I will not make a further comment!
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Post by 77syk7 on May 7, 2024 20:27:56 GMT 1
It is even worse than I thought, the 508 leaves at 2140 from Halifax and the 682 leaves at exactly the same time at 2140. There is then an 80 minute gap until 2300. Unbelievable!
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Post by jst on May 7, 2024 20:40:43 GMT 1
News from Bramley, no longer embargoed: Services 19/19A: Frequency reduction to increase reliability. This will mean a new frequency range on the combined service of between 20 minutes in quieter periods and up to 30 minutes at peak times. The service bunches terribly in East Leeds at rush hour, I assume this pads journeys out more at the same resource but is terrible for customers. I suspect these fewer journeys will still have the lower capacity new single deckers too rather than the doubles we often see at peak. If Arriva were any better they'd be laughing...
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Post by pjb on May 7, 2024 21:26:45 GMT 1
Looks like there’s a reinstatement of the last Allerton/BRI 617 service after 2300 on Mondays to Fridays too which is beneficial. There’s a 2308 departure from Nelson street which was cut the other year. (Currently 2236 except for weekends). Could do with a service up Thornton road corridor still at that time though.
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Post by shelf81 on May 7, 2024 23:19:02 GMT 1
Pleased to see some later buses from Halifax to Northowram and Bradford with a 2300 departure Monday to Friday on the 682. However, once again there is no coordination with the 508, have a look at the evening departure times from Halifax. I will not make a further comment! It's a shame with the new evening timetable they've had to add a 80 min gap to give an 11pm departure, when they could of easily of kept the current timings & added a 23:23 instead, or even gone 20/21/22/23:00 after the 19:14 departure. The fact they have it running on top of the 508 does feel like it could be a further nail in it's coffin. Struggling to see the logic with this change, unless it saves a driver/vehicle through interworkings.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on May 8, 2024 0:07:43 GMT 1
From 19th May. 607, 608, 612, 613, 614, 617, 618, 620, 621, 622, 626, 633, 640, 641, 645, 671, 680, 681, 682, 686, 687, 688 and X11 Timetable changes to increase reliability due to highway issues in the city centre and Bradford Interchange closure www.firstbus.co.uk/bradford/plan-journey/timetables?
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Post by Bradford Traveller on May 8, 2024 0:18:53 GMT 1
Pleased to see some later buses from Halifax to Northowram and Bradford with a 2300 departure Monday to Friday on the 682. However, once again there is no coordination with the 508, have a look at the evening departure times from Halifax. I will not make a further comment! How can you be pleased at this? The 22:40 ex Bradford has been running for years but has fairly recently changed to go back empty rather than a 23:10 "semi-fast" back to Bradford. So the new timetable sees the last bus from Bradford to Halifax Road/Woodside estate even earlier at 22:23 ??
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Post by joseph on May 8, 2024 5:52:20 GMT 1
Pleased to see some later buses from Halifax to Northowram and Bradford with a 2300 departure Monday to Friday on the 682. However, once again there is no coordination with the 508, have a look at the evening departure times from Halifax. I will not make a further comment! How can you be pleased at this? The 22:40 ex Bradford has been running for years but has fairly recently changed to go back empty rather than a 23:10 "semi-fast" back to Bradford. So the new timetable sees the last bus from Bradford to Halifax Road/Woodside estate even earlier at 22:23 ?? I'd hazard a very good guess that you get a much better night out in Halifax than Bradford, I'd be pleased at a later bus back from Halifax a lot more than Bradford.
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Post by 77syk7 on May 8, 2024 9:42:11 GMT 1
I agree, 'joseph' - always a better night out in Halifax! I still cannot understand how any timetable planner / manager can have not seen that 2 buses departing from Halifax at exactly the same time at 2140 on 6 miles of a built up road to Odsal can be an ideal solution... and then an 80 minute wait for the new last one at 2300. I know we cannot please everyone - must be this new AI 'lark' !
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Post by deerfold on May 8, 2024 9:50:34 GMT 1
I agree, 'joseph' - always a better night out in Halifax! I still cannot understand how any timetable planner / manager can have not seen that 2 buses departing from Halifax at exactly the same time at 2140 on 6 miles of a built up road to Odsal can be an ideal solution... and then an 80 minute wait for the new last one at 2300. I know we cannot please everyone - must be this new AI 'lark' ! I suspect that's two planners who don't talk to one another. The 681 is First Bradford, the 508 First Halifax. They didn't even put each others routes on their maps at one time.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on May 8, 2024 11:43:32 GMT 1
I agree, 'joseph' - always a better night out in Halifax! I still cannot understand how any timetable planner / manager can have not seen that 2 buses departing from Halifax at exactly the same time at 2140 on 6 miles of a built up road to Odsal can be an ideal solution... and then an 80 minute wait for the new last one at 2300. I know we cannot please everyone - must be this new AI 'lark' ! I suspect that's two planners who don't talk to one another. The 681 is First Bradford, the 508 First Halifax. They didn't even put each others routes on their maps at one time. It's not even the case anymore! All done in central office at Hunslet. So there should be no excuse, they haven't got a clue. When I worked in schedules you would confer with eachother in cases like this (but that's when you had people who knew what they were doing and wanted to make things work). Even going to the extent of asking other operators what they're doing with XXX service because it was all proper "bus people" who's best interest was the network on a whole. Not this lot who do it now, go to university for a few years and never drive a bus or have local knowledge of your network and you get the job. It's mad.
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Post by rodneytrotter on May 8, 2024 11:45:39 GMT 1
I bet the people in central office don't use the bus either! I think it should be a requirement in order to be in management in bus companies, you should be required to have a PCV licence!
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on May 8, 2024 11:48:34 GMT 1
I bet the people in central office don't use the bus either! I think it should be a requirement in order to be in management in bus companies, you should be required to have a PCV licence! Yeah alot of the time to get those jobs it was internally anyway and pretty much always drivers. Used to love this industry but seeing it almost deliberately and needlessly run down into the ground is making me hate it.
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Post by rodneytrotter on May 8, 2024 12:01:16 GMT 1
Another reason why I think management should have PCV licences is so that can help out when times are tough, and to know the challenges of what bus drivers have to face on a daily basis and to support the bus drivers more.
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Post by 37057 on May 8, 2024 13:04:55 GMT 1
Pleased to see some later buses from Halifax to Northowram and Bradford with a 2300 departure Monday to Friday on the 682. However, once again there is no coordination with the 508, have a look at the evening departure times from Halifax. I will not make a further comment! It's a shame with the new evening timetable they've had to add a 80 min gap to give an 11pm departure, when they could of easily of kept the current timings & added a 23:23 instead, or even gone 20/21/22/23:00 after the 19:14 departure. The fact they have it running on top of the 508 does feel like it could be a further nail in it's coffin. Struggling to see the logic with this change, unless it saves a driver/vehicle through interworkings. The new time table for 681 is generally a mess all day the clock face timetable that's been same for years is gone! Random odd departures now also gone from 1 stand to 3 different stands in halifax during the day!
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Post by shelf81 on May 8, 2024 13:16:37 GMT 1
It's a shame with the new evening timetable they've had to add a 80 min gap to give an 11pm departure, when they could of easily of kept the current timings & added a 23:23 instead, or even gone 20/21/22/23:00 after the 19:14 departure. The fact they have it running on top of the 508 does feel like it could be a further nail in it's coffin. Struggling to see the logic with this change, unless it saves a driver/vehicle through interworkings. The new time table for 681 is generally a mess all day the clock face timetable that's been same for years is gone! Random odd departures now also gone from 1 stand to 3 different stands in halifax during the day! I Hadn't spotted that over the 3 different stands in Halifax, so not only are people going to have to look out to see where abouts it's loading in Bradford they now have to do the same in Halifax! The clock face timetable being lost is not much of a surprise, with the continued roll out of AI I'm thankful to not still be with First. One odd thing I've noticed with X6 is that they are saying 'Upto Every 15 Mins' yet quite alot of daytime departures are running Every 11-13 Mins, this might be the first time they are underselling the frequency.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 8, 2024 17:25:17 GMT 1
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Post by joseph on May 8, 2024 18:14:24 GMT 1
I take it the proposed additional journeys for the 62 (First) and the new 48 route that were postponed in April for a proposed date in May will not be happening now. Given the 19 will reduce in frequency, It'd be a smack in the mouth for such changes to go ahead, rob from Peter to create Paul lol.
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Post by pricel on May 8, 2024 19:15:10 GMT 1
I take it the proposed additional journeys for the 62 (First) and the new 48 route that were postponed in April for a proposed date in May will not be happening now. Given the 19 will reduce in frequency, It'd be a smack in the mouth for such changes to go ahead, rob from Peter to create Paul lol. Then again the Todmorden's frequency were robbed to make way for 501/X1. If this is the way it keeps going, I'm more glad we aren't getting an enhanced partnership!
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Post by steve440 on May 8, 2024 21:02:35 GMT 1
I take it the proposed additional journeys for the 62 (First) and the new 48 route that were postponed in April for a proposed date in May will not be happening now. Given the 19 will reduce in frequency, It'd be a smack in the mouth for such changes to go ahead, rob from Peter to create Paul lol. Then again the Todmorden's frequency were robbed to make way for 501/X1. If this is the way it keeps going, I'm more glad we aren't getting an enhanced partnership! I've said it before and I'll say it again, you can't trust First to honour any partnership. Bring on franchising the sooner the better.
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