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Post by deerfold on Feb 11, 2024 19:54:37 GMT 1
One thing that's not been brought up here yet is; why has it taken First so long to scrap the 200? As a Huddersfield resident who goes out to the town centre in the evenings, I hardly see anyone on 200s. Why still run it? As a legal contrivance to give OFL a bus connection despite it being one stop apart from Leeds Road? Combined authority funding that slipped through the net until now? Either way, excited for the improvements to buses towards Halifax. It's a service primarily for First drivers. Running it as a service bus means they can claim some money back on the mileage, but means they're supposed to operate it even when there's no drivers need to use it.
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Post by thelupineone on Feb 15, 2024 12:10:59 GMT 1
One other thing I've noticed; on Arriva's website's listing of the new timetables, the 110 is back to being "Wakefield Line" rather than "Rhubarb Line", but the 444/446 remains "Rothwell Line" (with thanks to adam's Spotted Post for reminding me about that observation)
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Post by steve440 on Feb 18, 2024 10:08:41 GMT 1
I wonder when Metro are going to put the new 590/1/2 and X1 timetables online?
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Post by deerfold on Feb 18, 2024 19:56:47 GMT 1
I wonder when Metro are going to put the new 590/1/2 and X1 timetables online? Good question. On social media, Metro are blaming First for not having provided their timetables on time. Given First haven't put the Mon-Fri 590-2 times an their website, anyone who's unfamiliar with bustimes.org has no chance of knowing when their buses are, assuming they even know there's a change. The new 549 isn't on Metro, First or bustimes.org. First have the 548 timetable, only.
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Post by steve440 on Feb 19, 2024 19:52:23 GMT 1
The latest c*** up, this time by Team Pennine. The 1830 396 to Wilberlee is running about 15 minutes late tonight because it is being run by the bus that runs the 1814 from Scapegoat Hill 303 service. This has just been retimed to run later!
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Post by 77syk7 on Feb 19, 2024 20:40:31 GMT 1
On a positive note - sampled the new X1 today departing from the new Halifax Bus Station at 1125 and arrived in Huddersfield BS at 1202. I think the scheduled off-peak journey time of 34 minutes will be too tight and another 3-5 minutes will need to be added. Good to travel up 'The Ainleys' on the original routes of yesterday (old joint Halifax / Huddersfield 43 & the Huddersfield 30). Impressed with 33886 (Enviro 400) at how it tacked the long hill up The Ainleys. Whatever the engineers have done to these buses in comparison with the same members of batch when they arrived in Halifax a while ago has certainly worked!
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Post by michael1971 on Feb 19, 2024 21:19:25 GMT 1
On a positive note - sampled the new X1 today departing from the new Halifax Bus Station at 1125 and arrived in Huddersfield BS at 1202. I think the scheduled off-peak journey time of 34 minutes will be too tight and another 3-5 minutes will need to be added. Good to travel up 'The Ainleys' on the original routes of yesterday (old joint Halifax / Huddersfield 43 & the Huddersfield 30). Impressed with 33886 (Enviro 400) at how it tacked the long hill up The Ainleys. Whatever the engineers have done to these buses in comparison with the same members of batch when they arrived in Halifax a while ago has certainly worked! have any of the Ex Oldham ones been out yet 33702/23/29
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Post by mattb7tl on Feb 19, 2024 21:43:20 GMT 1
On a positive note - sampled the new X1 today departing from the new Halifax Bus Station at 1125 and arrived in Huddersfield BS at 1202. I think the scheduled off-peak journey time of 34 minutes will be too tight and another 3-5 minutes will need to be added. Good to travel up 'The Ainleys' on the original routes of yesterday (old joint Halifax / Huddersfield 43 & the Huddersfield 30). Impressed with 33886 (Enviro 400) at how it tacked the long hill up The Ainleys. Whatever the engineers have done to these buses in comparison with the same members of batch when they arrived in Halifax a while ago has certainly worked! 501 has the same issue. A normal smooth journey towards Lindley, racked up a 5 minute delay, which makes sense since considering they removed multiple minutes towards and from Lindley. That is going to need sorting.
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Post by WYBS on Feb 19, 2024 21:46:24 GMT 1
On a positive note - sampled the new X1 today departing from the new Halifax Bus Station at 1125 and arrived in Huddersfield BS at 1202. I think the scheduled off-peak journey time of 34 minutes will be too tight and another 3-5 minutes will need to be added. Good to travel up 'The Ainleys' on the original routes of yesterday (old joint Halifax / Huddersfield 43 & the Huddersfield 30). Impressed with 33886 (Enviro 400) at how it tacked the long hill up The Ainleys. Whatever the engineers have done to these buses in comparison with the same members of batch when they arrived in Halifax a while ago has certainly worked! Good to hear about the E400's improved performance. Were any of the buses out today branded in anyway?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2024 21:52:03 GMT 1
On a positive note - sampled the new X1 today departing from the new Halifax Bus Station at 1125 and arrived in Huddersfield BS at 1202. I think the scheduled off-peak journey time of 34 minutes will be too tight and another 3-5 minutes will need to be added. Good to travel up 'The Ainleys' on the original routes of yesterday (old joint Halifax / Huddersfield 43 & the Huddersfield 30). Impressed with 33886 (Enviro 400) at how it tacked the long hill up The Ainleys. Whatever the engineers have done to these buses in comparison with the same members of batch when they arrived in Halifax a while ago has certainly worked! 501 has the same issue. A normal smooth journey towards Lindley, racked up a 5 minute delay, which makes sense since considering they removed multiple minutes towards and from Lindley. That is going to need sorting. Is there still temp traffic lights where they are working on the old college that might of contributed? From what little info i've read it seems like the works on Calderdale Way by the Huddersfield Rd sliproad are expected to start soon as well, so I would say delays are to be expected for the next couple of months.
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Post by Danny on Feb 19, 2024 22:50:38 GMT 1
33702/23 & 29 are out everyday on school work until WY radio, TOTO & tracking systems are installed.
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Post by pricel on Feb 20, 2024 20:52:51 GMT 1
Seems a bit random from these changes that there is now a 590 from Eastwood at 4:24 to Halifax. Might as well start it at Todmorden Bus Station but overall it's good that the Upper Calder Valley are receiving earlier buses.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Feb 20, 2024 21:47:04 GMT 1
Seems a bit random from these changes that there is now a 590 from Eastwood at 4:24 to Halifax. Might as well start it at Todmorden Bus Station but overall it's good that the Upper Calder Valley are receiving earlier buses. We used to on the every 10 minutes Pre-Mytholmroyd flood alleviation scheme timetable start at the Depot/Castle Hill School on an early morning journey and before the the 2014 service changes when it was the old 590/1/2/3/4 the 2305 594 Halifax to Todmorden terminated at Castle Hill so it could go straight into the depot because you couldn't turn right into the depot from Todmorden end so had to turn around at Lob Mill arches or reverse up Phoenix Street until a disgruntled resident complained about buses using the road to turn on (even though it's a road) so they were officially routed to go via Mytholm to turn around to get into the depot. It's more of a 'positioning trip' so what would have been a private trip can run in service on the off chance it picks someone up, going that way anyway may as well ply for business.
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Post by deerfold on Feb 20, 2024 21:48:42 GMT 1
Seems a bit random from these changes that there is now a 590 from Eastwood at 4:24 to Halifax. Might as well start it at Todmorden Bus Station but overall it's good that the Upper Calder Valley are receiving earlier buses. Presumably it'd need another 15 minutes to get it there from Eastwood garage and back again. I suspect the 0424 won't be very busy, but they might as well run it in service.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Feb 20, 2024 22:03:10 GMT 1
The new 'timetable' for the 590/1/2 is a complete and utter disgrace. All buses are becoming over 15 minutes late as a direct result of the sheer incompetence in the running times and design of the timetable. It cannot run like this for long, whoever has done this should hang their head in shame. Supposed to be wanting to get people out of their cars and onto buses, this is doing the exact opposite. Truly shocking that this has been passed. Just driving people away, every says how you used to be able to "set your clock by Tod buses" but not anymore. Thought the last one was bad but at least it ran reliably. Just needs to be simple, a route from Halifax to Todmorden and one to/from Rochdale - Burnley via Todmorden. Would run perfectly instead of this absolute mess they have now. It's disgraceful.
One other thing to add, as a direct result of these changes including the rota, drivers are now wanting to leave with one going to Transdev so well done First, absolutely great work at decimating a good service with good regular drivers who enjoyed working there.
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Post by mattb7tl on Feb 20, 2024 22:54:59 GMT 1
A little unwanted review of the changes.
The 372: I've probably bored you all to death with the amount of comments about the route. However... I couldn't be happier. It is early days and may be too early to judge but interworking is almost non existent, a good chunk of rush hour buses run on-time, and of course a beautiful, memorable, evening and morning timetable. I think this route can finally have a bright future. It has always struggled to have a long running evening and night timetable. It has had journeys between 9pm-11pm removed and added quite an amount since 2010, even before by the looks of it. I hope I am right with my theory about waiting conditions.
The X1 & 501: It may appear my concerns were complaints but that's all they are concerns. These are a bunch of great bus routes but definitely need some timetable adjustments as mentioned. I don't remember any roads works near the old college. A smooth journey with little disruption other than a traffic light or two and the usual boarding managed to put quite a dent into the timekeeping. I hope to be proved wrong about the sustainability of these services and hope they managed to grow the rest of the bus network.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2024 23:13:18 GMT 1
A little unwanted review of the changes. The 372: I've probably bored you all to death with the amount of comments about the route. However... I couldn't be happier. It is early days and may be too early to judge but interworking is almost non existent, a good chunk of rush hour buses run on-time, and of course a beautiful, memorable, evening and morning timetable. I think this route can finally have a bright future. It has always struggled to have a long running evening and night timetable. It has had journeys between 9pm-11pm removed and added quite an amount since 2010, even before by the looks of it. I hope I am right with my theory about waiting conditions. The X1 & 501: It may appear my concerns were complaints but that's all they are concerns. These are a bunch of great bus routes but definitely need some timetable adjustments as mentioned. I don't remember any roads works near the old college. A smooth journey with little disruption other than a traffic light or two and the usual boarding managed to put quite a dent into the timekeeping. I hope to be proved wrong about the sustainability of these services and hope they managed to grow the rest of the bus network. I Think the rush hour 372s still could do with some extra time/buses added, as I spotted 2 only a few minutes apart at Aspley around 16:45 this afternoon, although the one I was on towards Huddersfield was running on time. They might of finished the work on Trinity Street, but when I came over to Huddersfield a couple of weeks ago there was Temp traffic lights abit further up from the old College & traffic towards town was being diverted, some going via Fitzwilliam St & others via Springwood. Hopefully they sort out the timekeeping either way, with more people having to make the change in Huddersfield it won't be helping Firsts reputation running late buses.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Feb 21, 2024 20:07:59 GMT 1
Another day of terrible service on the 590/1/2 today as a result of the new timetable.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 21, 2024 20:09:27 GMT 1
The latest c*** up, this time by Team Pennine. The 1830 396 to Wilberlee is running about 15 minutes late tonight because it is being run by the bus that runs the 1814 from Scapegoat Hill 303 service. This has just been retimed to run later! The 1830 396 is now supposed to be run by the bus off the 360 Maybe it didn’t on Monday because it was a Tempo which might be too long for the 396? Or the driver didn’t read their board properly and went dead to depot
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Post by js12345678910 on Feb 21, 2024 23:46:22 GMT 1
Another day of terrible service on the 590/1/2 today as a result of the new timetable. Couldn’t agree more. My regular bus is the 07:20 (used to be 07:15) from Halifax-Hebden Bridge to connect with the 08:00 B3 over to Haworth. So far this bus has not made this connection once this week, I may have to rethink my regular commute as so far I’ve been over an hour late everyday.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 24, 2024 18:56:32 GMT 1
Publicity of the service changes notably the 501/X1 is all pretty poor
All timetables have been removed from Huddersfield bus station for some reason, even from stands that have had no changes
All bus stops along the route are still displaying old timetables for the 503
The only place the new service is mentioned is on the updated timetables at Halifax bus station
Stops in Halifax town centre that are no longer served by Mixenden and Illingworth routes are still displaying old timetables as well
I do wonder if WYCA are being deliberately poor to make the current situation look worse to push along the opinion towards franchising. Then they can start doing things they used to always do anyway and get an immediate easy win.
Has it been mentioned the 501/X1 no longer enter Halifax along Market Street? They now turn down Horton Street and use the bottom road into Halifax Bus Station.
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Post by mattb7tl on Feb 24, 2024 19:24:36 GMT 1
Publicity of the service changes notably the 501/X1 is all pretty poor All timetables have been removed from Huddersfield bus station for some reason, even from stands that have had no changes All bus stops along the route are still displaying old timetables for the 503 The only place the new service is mentioned is on the updated timetables at Halifax bus station Stops in Halifax town centre that are no longer served by Mixenden and Illingworth routes are still displaying old timetables as well I do wonder if WYCA are being deliberately poor to make the current situation look worse to push along the opinion towards franchising. Then they can start doing things they used to always do anyway and get an immediate easy win. Has it been mentioned the 501/X1 no longer enter Halifax along Market Street? They now turn down Horton Street and use the bottom road into Halifax Bus Station. It's extremely poor from both sides. It seems like they are both incredibly distracted and demotivated. I have a feeling that a decision has already been made behind closed doors.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2024 19:31:47 GMT 1
Assuming the original cost covered the extra vehicles/drivers required, It does make me wonder where the extra £1m that was paid to First before the services was introduced has been spent.
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Post by mattb7tl on Feb 24, 2024 20:39:42 GMT 1
Assuming the original cost covered the extra vehicles/drivers required, It does make me wonder where the extra £1m that was paid to First before the services was introduced has been spent. Where did you find the extra £1m source? I'm not great at navigating the website from the WYCA. Standards for running hours were established years ago for the BSIP, and have been in many documents since. Usually fluctuating between 4-5am and 11-12pm. I doubt money was spent on evening and early morning services since those standards have been established ages.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2024 20:56:57 GMT 1
Assuming the original cost covered the extra vehicles/drivers required, It does make me wonder where the extra £1m that was paid to First before the services was introduced has been spent. Where did you find the extra £1m source? I'm not great at navigating the website from the WYCA. Standards for running hours were established years ago for the BSIP, and have been in many documents since. Usually fluctuating between 4-5am and 11-12pm. I doubt money was spent on evening and early morning services since those standards have been established ages. On The BSIP update from a few weeks ago: westyorkshire.moderngov.co.uk/documents/s34706/Item%207%20-%20BSIP%20Update%20CLEARED.pdfPage 10,item 2.34 'An additional £1,168,245 to deliver the revised Halifax to Huddersfield Superbus scheme, increasing the budget from £1,469,527 up to £2,637,772'
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