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Post by Dom on Aug 29, 2023 21:26:48 GMT 1
Just been looking at 60/60A workings. Wonder how it will work, because leaving Keighley and arriving back goes over 5:30 driving. For example 10:30 60 Keighley - Leeds arr 1156 1210 60A Leeds - Shipley arr 1313 1320 60A Shipley - Leeds arr 1418 1430 Leeds - Keighley arr 1606 Total driving is 5:36.
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Post by northerner on Aug 29, 2023 21:48:33 GMT 1
So let me get this straight. First want to run a service at (for example) xx:00, xx18, xx:36, xx:54, xx:12, xx:30, xx:48, xx:06, xx:24, xx42 and xx:00 rather than xx:00, xx:15, xx:30 & xx:45 or xx:00, xx:20 & xx:40 and then wonder why nobody remembers what time their bus is due or why they have a reputation for being crap? I seem to remember them getting pelters a few years back when they amended the 503 to something like every 23 minutes! Unless that's First's intention, mess the timetable up so that no-one knows if the bus is late!
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Post by WYBS on Aug 29, 2023 21:53:02 GMT 1
Just been looking at 60/60A workings. Wonder how it will work, because leaving Keighley and arriving back goes over 5:30 driving. For example 10:30 60 Keighley - Leeds arr 1156 1210 60A Leeds - Shipley arr 1313 1320 60A Shipley - Leeds arr 1418 1430 Leeds - Keighley arr 1606 Total driving is 5:36. Plus that doesn't factor in late running; which the route is very prone to at peak times. I'm wondering if they will change drivers at Shipley, using a staff car or similar.
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 29, 2023 23:33:42 GMT 1
Just been looking at 60/60A workings. Wonder how it will work, because leaving Keighley and arriving back goes over 5:30 driving. For example 10:30 60 Keighley - Leeds arr 1156 1210 60A Leeds - Shipley arr 1313 1320 60A Shipley - Leeds arr 1418 1430 Leeds - Keighley arr 1606 Total driving is 5:36. Plus that doesn't factor in late running; which the route is very prone to at peak times. I'm wondering if they will change drivers at Shipley, using a staff car or similar. unless they'll be having drivers getting 662 up to shipley from Keighley.
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Post by dlspotter on Aug 29, 2023 23:54:36 GMT 1
Plus that doesn't factor in late running; which the route is very prone to at peak times. I'm wondering if they will change drivers at Shipley, using a staff car or similar. unless they'll be having drivers getting 662 up to shipley from Keighley. 662 only runs past Shipley, the only Keighley route (Mon-Sat) to Shipley is the Aireline
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Post by joseph on Aug 30, 2023 6:22:15 GMT 1
unless they'll be having drivers getting 662 up to shipley from Keighley. 662 only runs past Shipley, the only Keighley route (Mon-Sat) to Shipley is the Aireline Could still be a possibility as the changeover could happen by the Ring O Bells junction in Shipley, 662 stops on one side of the pub with the 60 stopping on the other side of the pub. The driver that's come off just stays on the 60 back to Keighley, good way on saving fuel with work van changeovers.
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Post by WYBS on Aug 30, 2023 9:49:54 GMT 1
662 only runs past Shipley, the only Keighley route (Mon-Sat) to Shipley is the Aireline Could still be a possibility as the changeover could happen by the Ring O Bells junction in Shipley, 662 stops on one side of the pub with the 60 stopping on the other side of the pub. The driver that's come off just stays on the 60 back to Keighley, good way on saving fuel with work van changeovers. But if they are intending to change drivers then surely this is going to happen on the Shipley-only runs, which won't run up to the Ring O Bells.
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Post by deerfold on Aug 30, 2023 12:29:46 GMT 1
Timetables now on Metro Website Interestingly the last 72 from Leeds Bus Station is now 0018 arriving Bradford Interchange 0100 and First 72 from Bradford Interchange is 0401, surely the first timetable change in a while that may cause Metro to change the opening times of both Bus Stations (Unless its a error) I doubt they will. The A1 has stopped outside Leeds bus station for years.
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Post by SCH117X on Aug 30, 2023 18:48:49 GMT 1
The 30 minute break after a max driving period of 5 1/2 hours only applies if the working day is less than 8 1/2 hours. If the working day is 8 1/2 hours breaks amounting to at least 45 minutes must be taken so as not to exceed 7 hours and 45 minutes in the 8½ hour period. If the working day is more than 8 1/2 hours an additional 30 minute break has to be taken on top of the accumiliated 45 minutes. www.gov.uk/guidance/drivers-hours-passenger-vehicles/2-great-britain-domestic-rules
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Post by yorkslad on Aug 31, 2023 23:53:51 GMT 1
Just a pity they (Arriva) didn't immediately update real time - I saw the 229 listed on that stop display even though I could see it was on divert (it's my nearest stop). TBH I'm surprised they don't do this diversion permanently - fewer lights and no worries about Station traffic blocking the two junctions at either end of Thirsk Row. Bit of a queue getting up Northern Street, but probably still quicker. Real Time is controlled and updated by Metro not operators. Are you sure? The data starts with the operators; the servers do the number crunching, but if a bus isn't calling at a stop, it's for the operators to amend that, in the same way they're supposed to do for cancellations (but don't always).
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Sept 5, 2023 9:14:32 GMT 1
Timetables now on Metro Website Interestingly the last 72 from Leeds Bus Station is now 0018 arriving Bradford Interchange 0100 and First 72 from Bradford Interchange is 0401, surely the first timetable change in a while that may cause Metro to change the opening times of both Bus Stations (Unless its a error) The bus stations are both open 05:00–24:00 so early morning services will start at Broadway H7. Late night services will also commence and/or terminate at alternative stops.
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Post by deerfold on Sept 5, 2023 10:12:51 GMT 1
Timetables now on Metro Website Interestingly the last 72 from Leeds Bus Station is now 0018 arriving Bradford Interchange 0100 and First 72 from Bradford Interchange is 0401, surely the first timetable change in a while that may cause Metro to change the opening times of both Bus Stations (Unless its a error) The bus stations are both open 05:00–24:00 so early morning services will start at Broadway H7. Late night services will also commence and/or terminate at alternative stops. It's just a shame that no-one reading the timetable will know that (and if they're unlucky enough to be trying to find it in the First website, there's nothing in the Leeds section. In the Bradford section there's a timetable from July that says it's valid until further notice and only if you scroll down the page will you find the right timetable). There is a note in the diversions section of the Metro website about certain services not calling at bus stations but it really should be in the timetable.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Sept 6, 2023 18:18:16 GMT 1
First Todmorden have gained school service NH11 Smallbridge to Illingworth School Base (North Halifax Grammar). Think it's the one that Yelloway used to run.
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Post by Username on Sept 6, 2023 18:20:20 GMT 1
First Todmorden have gained school service NH11 Smallbridge to Illingworth School Base (North Halifax Grammar). Think it's the one that Yelloway used to run. I believe the S1 is no long Yellow Way either. I think that concludes Yelloway's operation in West Yorkshire apart from the Rishworth School services.
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Post by northerner on Sept 16, 2023 22:38:41 GMT 1
Just been looking at 60/60A workings. Wonder how it will work, because leaving Keighley and arriving back goes over 5:30 driving. For example 10:30 60 Keighley - Leeds arr 1156 1210 60A Leeds - Shipley arr 1313 1320 60A Shipley - Leeds arr 1418 1430 Leeds - Keighley arr 1606 Total driving is 5:36. Plus that doesn't factor in late running; which the route is very prone to at peak times. I'm wondering if they will change drivers at Shipley, using a staff car or similar. Observed today at Shipley that drivers do change over on the 60A. One of the grey B7s was being used to transport the drivers between Keighley and Shipley, but as it also ties up a driver to drive the ferry bus, it makes you wonder if there's any benefit in making the full route every 20 minutes
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Post by stephen01 on Sept 16, 2023 22:51:07 GMT 1
Plus that doesn't factor in late running; which the route is very prone to at peak times. I'm wondering if they will change drivers at Shipley, using a staff car or similar. Observed today at Shipley that drivers do change over on the 60A. One of the grey B7s was being used to transport the drivers between Keighley and Shipley, but as it also ties up a driver to drive the ferry bus, it makes you wonder if there's any benefit in making the full route every 20 minutes the driver doing ferry duties may be on "light"/alternative duties or could even be one of the inspectors. It'll be quicker this way than using 60 or 662 as they'll obviously be subject to delays. Surely a spare Solo or Strata would be more cost effective as a "pool" vehile for shuttling drivers between Keighley & Shipley Centre.
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Post by WYBS on Sept 17, 2023 10:00:17 GMT 1
Plus that doesn't factor in late running; which the route is very prone to at peak times. I'm wondering if they will change drivers at Shipley, using a staff car or similar. Observed today at Shipley that drivers do change over on the 60A. One of the grey B7s was being used to transport the drivers between Keighley and Shipley, but as it also ties up a driver to drive the ferry bus, it makes you wonder if there's any benefit in making the full route every 20 minutes Goodness me, that's a sensational waste of resources and money!
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Post by mattb7tl on Sept 17, 2023 10:32:23 GMT 1
Observed today at Shipley that drivers do change over on the 60A. One of the grey B7s was being used to transport the drivers between Keighley and Shipley, but as it also ties up a driver to drive the ferry bus, it makes you wonder if there's any benefit in making the full route every 20 minutes Goodness me, that's a sensational waste of resources and money! If I'm not mistaken companies designed their own improvements and then sent them to the WYCA to get approved for funding Massive L, they have not been making good decisions lately
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 12, 2023 18:44:45 GMT 1
Following the service changes the X63 seems to fall over in the peak every day now
Reducing the frequency at the same time as the massive traffic congestion started in Bradford due to all the road works was a bad idea
I regularly see the 07:45 from Bradford along the middle of its route, generally running up to 20 minutes late jam packed with people stood all down the aisle and sometimes passengers including students left behind.
If the frequency is high enough then even with heavy traffic at least there will be a bus along soon, even if it’s nowhere near the time it was meant to be, but now there just isn’t enough buses on the route, so the famous 18 mins frequency can quickly result in 25, 30 min gaps at peak times
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Post by mattb7tl on Oct 12, 2023 19:19:56 GMT 1
Following the service changes the X63 seems to fall over in the peak every day now Reducing the frequency at the same time as the massive traffic congestion started in Bradford due to all the road works was a bad idea I regularly see the 07:45 from Bradford along the middle of its route, generally running up to 20 minutes late jam packed with people stood all down the aisle and sometimes passengers including students left behind. If the frequency is high enough then even with heavy traffic at least there will be a bus along soon, even if it’s nowhere near the time it was meant to be, but now there just isn’t enough buses on the route, so the famous 18 mins frequency can quickly result in 25, 30 min gaps at peak times I'm glad you said something. I was unsure whether my bias against these horrid new artificial timetables was making existing crowding problems seem worse in my head. It's going to be a literal nightmare once driver illnesses start to skyrocket...
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Post by Burnside on Oct 13, 2023 23:02:16 GMT 1
Observed today at Shipley that drivers do change over on the 60A. One of the grey B7s was being used to transport the drivers between Keighley and Shipley, but as it also ties up a driver to drive the ferry bus, it makes you wonder if there's any benefit in making the full route every 20 minutes Goodness me, that's a sensational waste of resources and money! Also presumably a rarity as it's usually a black estate car.
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Post by joseph on Nov 13, 2023 20:48:39 GMT 1
Well this is downright unbelieveable, services 1 and 1B which have been running to an unregistered revised timetable since late September have only yesterday had that change officially registered! Maybe now Metro might use the timetable First are currently going by, but unofficially! This needs investigating as it could happen at any time to any service if First think they can get away with it!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 21:06:42 GMT 1
Well this is downright unbelieveable, services 1 and 1B which have been running to an unregistered revised timetable since late September have only yesterday had that change officially registered! Maybe now Metro might use the timetable First are currently going by, but unofficially! This needs investigating as it could happen at any time to any service if First think they can get away with it! Think you being slightly OTT - from time to time there are slip ups like this due to admin mistakes from either the operator or VOSA themselves. Hopefully as you say this will clear things up & allow Metro (& any other site needed) to update the timetables.
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Post by joseph on Nov 13, 2023 21:21:32 GMT 1
Well this is downright unbelieveable, services 1 and 1B which have been running to an unregistered revised timetable since late September have only yesterday had that change officially registered! Maybe now Metro might use the timetable First are currently going by, but unofficially! This needs investigating as it could happen at any time to any service if First think they can get away with it! Think you being slightly OTT - from time to time there are slip ups like this due to admin mistakes from either the operator or VOSA themselves. Hopefully as you say this will clear things up & allow Metro (& any other site needed) to update the timetables. Slip ups cost people warnings (and in some cases actual shifts if the person is late) when the bus they went for no longer exists because nobody from WYCA or the bus company informed Joseph Public and co things had changed. I, like many others went for the 07.45 from Beeston for a few days and kept wondering why it went early, we only found out from a driver it had changed. WYCA are here to inform the public, First too are equally responsible, this massive several weeks long slip up should not have been allowed to happen, the slackness in the UK nowadays seems to be something acceptable where as 20 years ago it would be frowned upon!
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Post by deerfold on Nov 14, 2023 10:32:24 GMT 1
Metro and First have now finally updated their timetables for the 72 to show where early and late journeys actually go from, rather than just listing the (closed) bus station.
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