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Post by SF07 on May 15, 2023 18:57:18 GMT 1
Hail and ride section added to the 184 route between Marsden Hard End and Standedge Great Western from this Sunday.
PB0000815/1028 Variation (Short notice) FIRST WEST YORKSHIRE LTD Route: Huddersfield Bus Station to Oldham Bus Station Service number: 184 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 21 May 2023 "Hail and ride section added to route between Mount Road Hard End and Manchester Rd The Great Western PH in both directions."
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Post by stephen01 on May 15, 2023 19:07:50 GMT 1
From mid May, NYCC have listed the 42 Selby Cawood York service as having additional Saturday journeys from Stillingfleet to York, and an additional late afternoon Saturday working from York to Selby. If Bus Times is right, then TWO of these journeys will mirror an existing journeys between Stillingfleet and York. bustimes.org/services/42-cawood-selby-college?date=2023-05-27I wouldn't have thought that Stillingfleet was big enough to warrant additional journeys, never mind a duplicate service, neither Naburn for that matter. It is primarily for Naburn Lock caravan park. Because of the restrictions on Cawood Bridge, Arriva can only use baby buses (8.9m E200s or Solos). These buses can get pretty busy as they get near to York, especially now the frequency has been dropped to every 2 hours, and there have been problems especially on Saturdays with the bus being full and people being left behind. An extra bus is being put on during the busy spell in the morning, which will provide 3 extra journeys into York – two of them duplicating a service from Selby and then one additional journey in between – to reduce that overcrowding and ensure all passengers can board. The buses start from Stillingfleet because there's nowhere to turn a bus at Naburn Lock, so they will run empty from York down the A19 to Escrick and then across to Stillingfleet where they turn towards York – and so there, once they're on the normal route, they might as well run in service and pick up passengers from Stillingfleet if required, even though that isn't the main aim. The evening peak isn't quite so concentrated, especially with the late night buses running til 2300, and so one extra journey back to Selby at 1750 to give an hourly service at that point should be ample. I believe these extra journeys are funded by the parish councils (but I could be wrong), and the intention is that they will run while Naburn Lock is open, and so may be suspended during January, February and March. Correct; these extra trips are add-ons to the current Parish Councils funded routes. I believe their also in talks about bringing back the Parish Councils funded Sunday trips although i could be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2023 17:01:54 GMT 1
Changes to West Yorkshire’s public transport network between Sunday 21 May and Monday 04 June 2023.
9 White Rose Centre • Garforth • Seacroft • King Lane • Horsforth Mon 22 May 2023 Operated by Squarepeg
The Monday to Friday frequency will be increased from approx. every 90 minutes to hourly, however the evening journey extension to Wortley will be withdrawn.
Saturday journeys will be unchanged.
9S Horsforth • Pudsey • White Rose Centre Sun 21 May 2023 Operated by First
This service (one Monday to Friday morning journey) will be withdrawn. Yorkshire Buses service 9 provides an alternative journey operating at a similar time.
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Post by WYBS on May 16, 2023 20:07:55 GMT 1
Let me wrap my head around the no. 9 saga.
A few years ago First gave up operating between the White Rose Centre and Seacroft and focussed their efforts on what they considered to be the more commercially-successful side between the White Rose Centre and Horsforth. Now First have given up on that completely; only to run tendered 9A journeys on the section they didn't want, and leave the side they DID want with no Sunday service, but the side they didn't want WITH a Sunday service.
Oy Vey!
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on May 17, 2023 10:29:25 GMT 1
Let me wrap my head around the no. 9 saga. A few years ago First gave up operating between the White Rose Centre and Seacroft and focussed their efforts on what they considered to be the more commercially-successful side between the White Rose Centre and Horsforth. Now First have given up on that completely; only to run tendered 9A journeys on the section they didn't want, and leave the side they DID want with no Sunday service, but the side they didn't want WITH a Sunday service. Oy Vey! I have heard through BBQ and Ketchup that the route was unsuitable for electric vehicles because of it's length (50 mile round trip for the full Horsforth - Seacroft), so withdrawal it was. The Horsforth - White Rose section was busy though before and after the route was split, I used to drive it near everyday when it went all the way to Seacroft. Another quirk about the route is that they couldn't use B7Ls for the most part because of the small fuel tanks.
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Post by deerfold on May 17, 2023 12:15:30 GMT 1
I have heard through BBQ and Ketchup that the route was unsuitable for electric vehicles because of it's length (50 mile round trip for the full Horsforth - Seacroft), so withdrawal it was. Through what? Are they only going to have electric vehicles? Is the problem due to a poor choice of vehicle able to only do a low mileage?
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Post by stephen01 on May 17, 2023 14:21:37 GMT 1
I have heard through BBQ and Ketchup that the route was unsuitable for electric vehicles because of it's length (50 mile round trip for the full Horsforth - Seacroft), so withdrawal it was. Through what? Are they only going to have electric vehicles? Is the problem due to a poor choice of vehicle able to only do a low mileage? on the original Zebra funding request for EVs FWY's (at the time) 9 was part of the bid as was 48.
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Post by deerfold on May 17, 2023 14:38:43 GMT 1
Through what? Are they only going to have electric vehicles? Is the problem due to a poor choice of vehicle able to only do a low mileage? on the original Zebra funding request for EVs FWY's (at the time) 9 was part of the bid as was 48. I'm not sure how that means it has to be withdrawn.
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Post by 69340 on May 18, 2023 2:48:35 GMT 1
Changes Booklet has been updated with the following changes
370 371 Huddersfield • Salendine Nook Circular
Mon 4 June 2023
Operated by Streamline Transport
These services will be withdrawn.
PR1 Elland Road Park & Ride • Leeds • Wellington Place
Sun 21 May 2023
Operated by First
After recent customer feedback we are changing services to improve daytime
frequency and provide evening journeys.
From Elland Road Park and Ride:
• Between 0700 and 1900 - every 10/15 minutes
• Two Extra trips at 1908 and 1938
• Last two buses from Boar Lane 1920 and 1950
PR2 Temple Green Park & Ride • Leeds
Sun 21 May 2023
Operated by First
After recent customer feedback we are changing services to improve daytime
frequency and provide evening journeys. From Temple Green Park and Ride:
• Between 0700 and 1800 - every 20 minutes
• Three extra trips at 1838, 1916 and 1954
• Last three buses from Lower Briggate 1852, 1930 and 2008
PR3 Stourton Park & Ride • Leeds
Sun 21 May 2023
Operated by First
After recent customer feedback we are changing services to improve daytime
frequency and provide evening journeys.
From Stourton Park and Ride, Monday to Friday, the first bus will be 0625 then:
• From 0700 to 0900 - every 10 or 15 minutes
• From 0900 to 1600 - every 20 minutes
• From 1600 to 1630 - every 15 minutes
• From 1630 to 1730 - every 10 minutes
• Then six further trips at 1752, 1812, 1832, 1906. 1938 and 2010
• Last buses from Lower Briggate 1803, 1823, 1843, 1916, 1948 and 2020.
• No change to Saturday frequency. Last bus from Lower Briggate on a
Saturday is 1914.
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Post by mattb7tl on May 18, 2023 10:08:08 GMT 1
Changes Booklet has been updated with the following changes 370 371 Huddersfield • Salendine Nook Circular Mon 4 June 2023 Operated by Streamline Transport These services will be withdrawn. I hope that doesn’t mean the end of Streamline? Used them heading to college a couple years back. The driver was always lovely.
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Post by deerfold on May 18, 2023 14:51:16 GMT 1
Changes Booklet has been updated with the following changes 370 371 Huddersfield • Salendine Nook Circular Mon 4 June 2023 Operated by Streamline Transport These services will be withdrawn. PR1 Elland Road Park & Ride • Leeds • Wellington Place Sun 21 May 2023 Operated by First After recent customer feedback we are changing services to improve daytime frequency and provide evening journeys. From Elland Road Park and Ride: • Between 0700 and 1900 - every 10/15 minutes • Two Extra trips at 1908 and 1938 • Last two buses from Boar Lane 1920 and 1950 PR2 Temple Green Park & Ride • Leeds Sun 21 May 2023 Operated by First After recent customer feedback we are changing services to improve daytime frequency and provide evening journeys. From Temple Green Park and Ride: • Between 0700 and 1800 - every 20 minutes • Three extra trips at 1838, 1916 and 1954 • Last three buses from Lower Briggate 1852, 1930 and 2008 PR3 Stourton Park & Ride • Leeds Sun 21 May 2023 Operated by First After recent customer feedback we are changing services to improve daytime frequency and provide evening journeys. From Stourton Park and Ride, Monday to Friday, the first bus will be 0625 then: • From 0700 to 0900 - every 10 or 15 minutes • From 0900 to 1600 - every 20 minutes • From 1600 to 1630 - every 15 minutes • From 1630 to 1730 - every 10 minutes • Then six further trips at 1752, 1812, 1832, 1906. 1938 and 2010 • Last buses from Lower Briggate 1803, 1823, 1843, 1916, 1948 and 2020. • No change to Saturday frequency. Last bus from Lower Briggate on a Saturday is 1914. 4 buses an hour (typically) seems very low to attract many people to a Park and Ride. Is that a 35 minute gap between the first two buses on the PR3?
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Post by peteleeds on May 18, 2023 19:00:29 GMT 1
Good to get evening park n ride services back in leeds so clearly they realised their mistake. Was a massive difference in ridership after they withdrew them. I've even started driving into leeds some days. Hopefully we might see some weekend park n ride services return next
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Post by steve440 on Jun 5, 2023 9:38:47 GMT 1
Hail and ride section added to the 184 route between Marsden Hard End and Standedge Great Western from this Sunday. PB0000815/1028 Variation (Short notice) FIRST WEST YORKSHIRE LTD Route: Huddersfield Bus Station to Oldham Bus Station Service number: 184 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 21 May 2023 "Hail and ride section added to route between Mount Road Hard End and Manchester Rd The Great Western PH in both directions." I have used this service to Oldham and back and there seems to be a problem with the timings in and out of Oldham. With 14 minutes standing time in Oldham bus station, and vehicles not being allowed to stay there that amount of time, drivers are having to wait at Oldham Mumps for about 10 minutes on the way in, much to the annoyance of passengers trying to get to the bus station or the market! After I had been sat on the bus at Oldham Mumps for about 3 or 4 minutes I decided to get off and catch a local bus to the bus station which I can as I have an entcs pass, but for paying passengers this is not an option. On the return from Oldham, although the bus left on time, by the time it reached Uppermill it was about 10 minutes late in spite of there being no holdups along the way, so surely it needs to be retimed to leave Oldham earlier which would also solve the other problem of having to wait at Mumps on the way in. Presumably tracking data will be studied by the schedulers. On another note, Mount Road above the old terminus needs some serious tree cutting!
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Post by mattb7tl on Jun 5, 2023 10:24:45 GMT 1
Schedulers will do absolutely nothing. It has been a problematic bus route forever, and now the 181 has to deal with the extreme unreliability due to it interworking. All of this hassle just for an unwanted bus link. The only use case is people going from Marsden to Saddleworth School. They’d be better off sending it through Outlane, Denshaw & Grains Bar.
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Post by michael1971 on Jun 5, 2023 10:38:36 GMT 1
Hail and ride section added to the 184 route between Marsden Hard End and Standedge Great Western from this Sunday. PB0000815/1028 Variation (Short notice) FIRST WEST YORKSHIRE LTD Route: Huddersfield Bus Station to Oldham Bus Station Service number: 184 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 21 May 2023 "Hail and ride section added to route between Mount Road Hard End and Manchester Rd The Great Western PH in both directions." I have used this service to Oldham and back and there seems to be a problem with the timings in and out of Oldham. With 14 minutes standing time in Oldham bus station, and vehicles not being allowed to stay there that amount of time, drivers are having to wait at Oldham Mumps for about 10 minutes on the way in, much to the annoyance of passengers trying to get to the bus station or the market! After I had been sat on the bus at Oldham Mumps for about 3 or 4 minutes I decided to get off and catch a local bus to the bus station which I can as I have an entcs pass, but for paying passengers this is not an option. On the return from Oldham, although the bus left on time, by the time it reached Uppermill it was about 10 minutes late in spite of there being no holdups along the way, so surely it needs to be retimed to leave Oldham earlier which would also solve the other problem of having to wait at Mumps on the way in. Presumably tracking data will be studied by the schedulers. On another note, Mount Road above the old terminus needs some serious tree cutting! i sent an email sugguesting they put the 184 back on its old route back to the old times that Oldham did and just use 3 allocated buses on 184 only every day i got a email back saying my email had been passed on to depot and would be considered
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Post by steve440 on Jun 5, 2023 15:02:46 GMT 1
I have used this service to Oldham and back and there seems to be a problem with the timings in and out of Oldham. With 14 minutes standing time in Oldham bus station, and vehicles not being allowed to stay there that amount of time, drivers are having to wait at Oldham Mumps for about 10 minutes on the way in, much to the annoyance of passengers trying to get to the bus station or the market! After I had been sat on the bus at Oldham Mumps for about 3 or 4 minutes I decided to get off and catch a local bus to the bus station which I can as I have an entcs pass, but for paying passengers this is not an option. On the return from Oldham, although the bus left on time, by the time it reached Uppermill it was about 10 minutes late in spite of there being no holdups along the way, so surely it needs to be retimed to leave Oldham earlier which would also solve the other problem of having to wait at Mumps on the way in. Presumably tracking data will be studied by the schedulers. On another note, Mount Road above the old terminus needs some serious tree cutting! i sent an email sugguesting they put the 184 back on its old route back to the old times that Oldham did and just use 3 allocated buses on 184 only every day i got a email back saying my email had been passed on to depot and would be considered I don't think there is anything wrong with the new route, it just needs the running times tweaking. Overall time is fine it's just intermediate times. If it reverted to the old route then the 183 would have to be reinstated thereby negating any savings that have been made.
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Post by michael1971 on Jun 5, 2023 17:44:33 GMT 1
i sent an email sugguesting they put the 184 back on its old route back to the old times that Oldham did and just use 3 allocated buses on 184 only every day i got a email back saying my email had been passed on to depot and would be considered I don't think there is anything wrong with the new route, it just needs the running times tweaking. Overall time is fine it's just intermediate times. If it reverted to the old route then the 183 would have to be reinstated thereby negating any savings that have been made. all i can think then would be best to leave Oldham something like 10 mins past the hour or the same times it leaves on a Sunday ie 02 mins past the hour i am sure they will sort it out
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Post by Username on Jun 5, 2023 18:30:13 GMT 1
Schedulers will do absolutely nothing. It has been a problematic bus route forever, and now the 181 has to deal with the extreme unreliability due to it interworking. All of this hassle just for an unwanted bus link. The only use case is people going from Marsden to Saddleworth School. They’d be better off sending it through Outlane, Denshaw & Grains Bar. The 184 isn't an unwanted bus link?
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Post by mattb7tl on Jun 5, 2023 19:23:13 GMT 1
Schedulers will do absolutely nothing. It has been a problematic bus route forever, and now the 181 has to deal with the extreme unreliability due to it interworking. All of this hassle just for an unwanted bus link. The only use case is people going from Marsden to Saddleworth School. They’d be better off sending it through Outlane, Denshaw & Grains Bar. The 184 isn't an unwanted bus link? Not wanted enough to sustain an evening timetable or an acceptable frequency. Should the areas that actually use the bus (Marsden, Slaithwaite & Linthwaite) suffer just to keep a link that nobody in the valley uses? In the real world, we’re basically down to two buses per hour. You’ll find the 184 coaching directly behind the 185 a good 90% of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2023 19:42:13 GMT 1
The 184 isn't an unwanted bus link? Not wanted enough to sustain an evening timetable or an acceptable frequency. Should the areas that actually use the bus (Marsden, Slaithwaite & Linthwaite) suffer just to keep a link that nobody in the valley uses? In the real world, we’re basically down to two buses per hour. You’ll find the 184 coaching directly behind the 185 a good 90% of the time. If demand was there for the Marsden > Huddersfield section I Think First would of chosen to increase that & just axe the 184 that 'nobody in the valley uses'. It has been rumoured First was looking at rerouting the 184 direct in/out of Oldham & restoring a separate service serving Greenacres to hand over to Franchising, if that happens that should help improve reliability.
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Post by steve440 on Jun 6, 2023 8:55:33 GMT 1
Not wanted enough to sustain an evening timetable or an acceptable frequency. Should the areas that actually use the bus (Marsden, Slaithwaite & Linthwaite) suffer just to keep a link that nobody in the valley uses? In the real world, we’re basically down to two buses per hour. You’ll find the 184 coaching directly behind the 185 a good 90% of the time. If demand was there for the Marsden > Huddersfield section I Think First would of chosen to increase that & just axe the 184 that 'nobody in the valley uses'. It has been rumoured First was looking at rerouting the 184 direct in/out of Oldham & restoring a separate service serving Greenacres to hand over to Franchising, if that happens that should help improve reliability. The current route in and out of Oldham is a bit of a joke and restoring the direct route would definitely help.
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Post by michael1971 on Jun 6, 2023 17:45:47 GMT 1
If demand was there for the Marsden > Huddersfield section I Think First would of chosen to increase that & just axe the 184 that 'nobody in the valley uses'. It has been rumoured First was looking at rerouting the 184 direct in/out of Oldham & restoring a separate service serving Greenacres to hand over to Franchising, if that happens that should help improve reliability. The current route in and out of Oldham is a bit of a joke and restoring the direct route would definitely help. it use to go straight from Uppermill to Oldham and the Greenaces but has been served by a few local routes which would be better i remember the old 365 service back in the 1990s worked out of Huddersfield depot
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Post by dlspotter on Jun 6, 2023 19:36:51 GMT 1
The 184 isn't an unwanted bus link? Not wanted enough to sustain an evening timetable or an acceptable frequency. Should the areas that actually use the bus (Marsden, Slaithwaite & Linthwaite) suffer just to keep a link that nobody in the valley uses? In the real world, we’re basically down to two buses per hour. You’ll find the 184 coaching directly behind the 185 a good 90% of the time. Taken 184 several times on different days and at different times, always taken it all the way (especially back when it was the 84 through to Manchester) - never ever had less than a half load (except once on the first one of the day on Easter Monday), people getting on and off throughout
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jun 6, 2023 22:47:18 GMT 1
I’ve been on it twice this year since the £2 fare started, once in both directions when it was still First Manchester and a couple of weeks ago Oldham bound only and I would agree that there were decent loadings throughout
Even the cross Pennine bit had a decent number on board, it wasn’t one of those routes where everyone travels either in Oldham or in Huddersfield and nobody is on in the middle.
I did notice the pause at Mumps, which they used to do when there was a driver change there but now it’s unnecessary. Oldham Bus Station is hardly bursting at the seams so I don’t know why TfGM can’t allow longer layover - it’s a pretty poor design that there seems to be zero layover bays
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Post by mattb7tl on Jun 7, 2023 14:56:33 GMT 1
It used to be a very well used bus route. Especially when it did the full route. Beforehand, you’d consistently have a good chunk of people getting on at Slaithwaite & Marsden. Now? You’d be lucky to see a single person. Makes complete sense, nobody in their right mind would want to go to Oldham, especially with the majority of bus usage being for leisure based activities and shopping. Just seems silly to baby along a bus route, which has declined RAPIDLY, over bus routes which serve areas which still have moderately high bus usage.
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