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Post by stephen01 on Jan 2, 2024 23:23:29 GMT 1
The only other operator I know of that decided not to accept metro tickets (towards the end of it's short life )was that SGI-CT thing Tates also did as did the tates backed M-Travel reincarnation Stanley Gath.
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Post by stephen01 on Jan 2, 2024 23:24:32 GMT 1
The only other operator I know of that decided not to accept metro tickets (towards the end of it's short life )was that SGI-CT thing Didn't Tates Travel also not accept Metro products. they did over numerous periods and more so before they went under.
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Post by joseph on Jan 3, 2024 7:21:07 GMT 1
To be fair on Yorkshire Buses, Metro products aren't actually Metro products as the operation of these products is shared between all the major bus companies under some other name, something like West Yorkshire Ticketing Company. They decide the prices and so probably set the rules as to who can claim what level of reimbursement e.g. only the selling company can claim the majority with the accepting company only able to claim a small percentage. Realistically, these products should have fully come under Metro control from the start, but you know what local councillors are like (WYCA, WYPTA, WYPTE etc being made up of the 5 local authorities with many councillors from each authority on various boards) they have no fight, no desire, just put together something what pleases the bus companies for an easy life.
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Post by kendall17 on Jan 3, 2024 7:28:56 GMT 1
This is ridiculous now. Who's gonna report these cowboys? Why, what have they done wrong? Anyone can accept/reject any payment for goods or services as they see fit. It maybe in their interest to accept Metro products to gain a few extra £s, but they cannot be forced to, especially on commercial routes.
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Post by deerfold on Jan 3, 2024 9:37:15 GMT 1
To be fair on Yorkshire Buses, Metro products aren't actually Metro products as the operation of these products is shared between all the major bus companies under some other name, something like West Yorkshire Ticketing Company. They decide the prices and so probably set the rules as to who can claim what level of reimbursement e.g. only the selling company can claim the majority with the accepting company only able to claim a small percentage. Realistically, these products should have fully come under Metro control from the start, but you know what local councillors are like (WYCA, WYPTA, WYPTE etc being made up of the 5 local authorities with many councillors from each authority on various boards) they have no fight, no desire, just put together something what pleases the bus companies for an easy life. The control of these products was deliberately split into a separate company with all the bus and rail companies and Metro having shares in it, to ensure the rates were seen as fair by the bus companies as they all had a hand in setting them. Fighting doesn't always produce the best result.
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Post by deerfold on Jan 3, 2024 9:47:09 GMT 1
This is ridiculous now. Who's gonna report these cowboys? Why, what have they done wrong? Anyone can accept/reject any payment for goods or services as they see fit. It maybe in their interest to accept Metro products to gain a few extra £s, but they cannot be forced to, especially on commercial routes. I do wonder if they'll be eligible for funding for the £2 fares if they're not accepting other products.
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Post by mattb7tl on Jan 3, 2024 10:13:24 GMT 1
To be fair on Yorkshire Buses, Metro products aren't actually Metro products as the operation of these products is shared between all the major bus companies under some other name, something like West Yorkshire Ticketing Company. They decide the prices and so probably set the rules as to who can claim what level of reimbursement e.g. only the selling company can claim the majority with the accepting company only able to claim a small percentage. Realistically, these products should have fully come under Metro control from the start, but you know what local councillors are like (WYCA, WYPTA, WYPTE etc being made up of the 5 local authorities with many councillors from each authority on various boards) they have no fight, no desire, just put together something what pleases the bus companies for an easy life. Metro having full control of the tickets? You can just imagine the articles coming from anti-franchising campaigners blaming them for the downfall of an independent company.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2024 14:24:16 GMT 1
To be fair on Yorkshire Buses, Metro products aren't actually Metro products as the operation of these products is shared between all the major bus companies under some other name, something like West Yorkshire Ticketing Company. They decide the prices and so probably set the rules as to who can claim what level of reimbursement e.g. only the selling company can claim the majority with the accepting company only able to claim a small percentage. Realistically, these products should have fully come under Metro control from the start, but you know what local councillors are like (WYCA, WYPTA, WYPTE etc being made up of the 5 local authorities with many councillors from each authority on various boards) they have no fight, no desire, just put together something what pleases the bus companies for an easy life. Metro having full control of the tickets? You can just imagine the articles coming from anti-franchising campaigners blaming them for the downfall of an independent company. Correct, that's what happened in Merseyside with the 'mytickets' being blamed towards the Avon Buses & Halton Transport collapses.
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Post by kendall17 on Jan 3, 2024 14:53:35 GMT 1
Why, what have they done wrong? Anyone can accept/reject any payment for goods or services as they see fit. It maybe in their interest to accept Metro products to gain a few extra £s, but they cannot be forced to, especially on commercial routes. I do wonder if they'll be eligible for funding for the £2 fares if they're not accepting other products. Was that done through central govt, rather than the local authorities?
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Post by deerfold on Jan 3, 2024 15:02:18 GMT 1
I do wonder if they'll be eligible for funding for the £2 fares if they're not accepting other products. Was that done through central govt, rather than the local authorities? No, the West Yorkshire £2 fares predate the national scheme (from Sunday 04/09/2022 rather than 01/01/2023), so central government aren't proving additional funding for it - the only routes covered by the nationwide scheme are those that cross the boundary of West Yorkshire. Similarly, they're not funding fares in Greater Manchester or on TfL services. West Yorkshire introduced the £2 maximum fare along with reducing the DaySaver by £1 to £4.50 at the same time. I can't see Metro wanting to pay to top up £2 fares if the Operator isn't accepting day or season tickets.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2024 16:47:48 GMT 1
Was that done through central govt, rather than the local authorities? No, the West Yorkshire £2 fares predate the national scheme (from Sunday 04/09/2022 rather than 01/01/2023), so central government aren't proving additional funding for it - the only routes covered by the nationwide scheme are those that cross the boundary of West Yorkshire. Similarly, they're not funding fares in Greater Manchester or on TfL services. West Yorkshire introduced the £2 maximum fare along with reducing the DaySaver by £1 to £4.50 at the same time. I can't see Metro wanting to pay to top up £2 fares if the Operator isn't accepting day or season tickets. I Think going by how it was worded they will be keeping the £2 fare, as it's stated Metro products whilst the £2 fare is under 'Mayors Fare'. The £1.20 U19s single fare might be affected as that is classed as a metro product (MySingle)
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 3, 2024 19:43:19 GMT 1
This is ridiculous now. Who's gonna report these cowboys? Why, what have they done wrong? Anyone can accept/reject any payment for goods or services as they see fit. It maybe in their interest to accept Metro products to gain a few extra £s, but they cannot be forced to, especially on commercial routes. It’s extremely unusual though It all seems to have gone wrong since they expanded into Huddersfield
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Post by kendall17 on Jan 3, 2024 21:32:04 GMT 1
Why, what have they done wrong? Anyone can accept/reject any payment for goods or services as they see fit. It maybe in their interest to accept Metro products to gain a few extra £s, but they cannot be forced to, especially on commercial routes. It’s extremely unusual though It all seems to have gone wrong since they expanded into Huddersfield But nothing to report them over. Too much too fast, but I'm sure they'll reset & learn.
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Post by kendall17 on Jan 5, 2024 19:44:38 GMT 1
I believe a 59 plated Scania decker has joined the fleet, in full livery.
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Post by joseph on Jan 5, 2024 19:55:57 GMT 1
Are Kilvingtons now running the 61 as I've seen their ex connexions Scania doing it for a few days now, with all the spare buses Yorkshire Buses now have I'd be surprised if this was a loan unless the spares were suddenly so unroadworthy they'd been sent for scrap.
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Post by stephen01 on Jan 5, 2024 20:56:23 GMT 1
Are Kilvingtons now running the 61 as I've seen their ex connexions Scania doing it for a few days now, with all the spare buses Yorkshire Buses now have I'd be surprised if this was a loan unless the spares were suddenly so unroadworthy they'd been sent for scrap. they seem to loan them motors given they bought J4 back. It could be in the DMMS fleet like ODZ.
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Post by smithy on Jan 7, 2024 17:20:00 GMT 1
Yorkshire buses arnt taking metro tickets from 15th of January due not getting enough money back
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Post by joshben on Jan 7, 2024 17:43:53 GMT 1
Yorkshire buses arnt taking metro tickets from 15th of January due not getting enough money back Only on service 29 as has been mentioned on the previous page
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Post by deerfold on Jan 7, 2024 21:54:33 GMT 1
Yorkshire buses arnt taking metro tickets from 15th of January due not getting enough money back Only on service 29 as has been mentioned on the previous page Not to mention a dozen posts on this page discussing it.
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Post by arriva1606 on Jan 8, 2024 13:53:59 GMT 1
I believe a 59 plated Scania decker has joined the fleet, in full livery. YT09 BKA has joined which is in full livery
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Post by First 19013 on Jan 8, 2024 19:08:36 GMT 1
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Post by driver6540 on Jan 9, 2024 23:40:13 GMT 1
I believe a 59 plated Scania decker has joined the fleet, in full livery. Yes, seen on Hudds uni's yesterday teatime.
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Post by kommie123 on Jan 10, 2024 16:12:10 GMT 1
My understanding is that operators are not allowed to pick and choose what buses accept metro products as this would make a mockery of its product. It clearly states that ALL buses are accepted within West Yorkshire except coaches, special services etc.
Metro also state that all operators are paid fairly.
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Post by First 19013 on Jan 10, 2024 17:21:51 GMT 1
My understanding is that operators are not allowed to pick and choose what buses accept metro products as this would make a mockery of its product. It clearly states that ALL buses are accepted within West Yorkshire except coaches, special services etc. Metro also state that all operators are paid fairly. Exactly, it just seems funny that other operators which have done university services have had no trouble, and also there are less used bus routes in my local area like SquarePeg's no.9, wasn't that busy and you don't see them complaining about Metro in any way and they've been going on for a decade now so have been doing well at this point.
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Post by kendall17 on Jan 10, 2024 22:22:52 GMT 1
My understanding is that operators are not allowed to pick and choose what buses accept metro products as this would make a mockery of its product. It clearly states that ALL buses are accepted within West Yorkshire except coaches, special services etc. Metro also state that all operators are paid fairly. If they are operating a Metro contract, then Metro can dictate whatever they wish as part of that contract, including accepting Mcards. Metro have no say on commercial operations. I'm sure they'd like them to be accepted, but cannot set rules for commerially run routes.
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