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Post by stantheman on Nov 21, 2022 22:37:39 GMT 1
I've got to say that's a very smart looking bus!
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Post by stephen01 on Nov 21, 2022 23:34:42 GMT 1
Doncaster's recently become a city,with the withdrawal of the 405 recently that caused a number of complaints, could York to Doncaster be a possibility? Straight down the A19 then turning off to serve Selby & Brayton,before returning onto the A19 into Doncaster (possibly turning off A19 again to serve Eggborough village) Honestly if they can't make a service work between a major city like Leeds and a major tourist attraction like York, then I don't see York to some dead-end city in South Yorkshire doing well. Plus Leeds & Manchester variation.
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Post by stephen01 on Nov 21, 2022 23:36:47 GMT 1
There is a quote from Connexions in a York paper, which says that they lose money on the service and the local councils will not fund it, but also that there is apparently a tender process for some kind of replacement service. Perhaps that is where the rumour has come from? It wouldn't ever be a fast service though, because it serves all the small villages with narrow streets and junctions between Wetherby and York. That's it's only chance of picking up passengers and revenue and the only chance of council funding. It's mainly old people with free passes. And yes there is house building in Tockwith, but that won't help much. The rest of the planned building isn't on the route. It's on the A59 route. That's the more likely route to interest Transdev, because a lot of houses are planned, but that is a few years away yet, especially in the current climate. And we all now that the reality of NYCC' tender for 412 will be them running more trips.
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Post by stevieinselby on Nov 22, 2022 22:32:05 GMT 1
Doncaster's recently become a city,with the withdrawal of the 405 recently that caused a number of complaints, could York to Doncaster be a possibility? Straight down the A19 then turning off to serve Selby & Brayton,before returning onto the A19 into Doncaster (possibly turning off A19 again to serve Eggborough village) No chance. By car, it takes about 1h15 from York Station to Doncaster Bus Station calling at Designer Outlet and Selby Bus Station, not even calling at Riccall and Barlby. By bus you would be looking at 1h30 minimum even sticking to the A19 all the way. There are generally 2 trains an hour from York to Doncaster that take about 20 minutes. As we saw with Zap2, when the bus takes so much longer than the train then people just won't use it in enough numbers to justify a service. Add to that, York to Doncaster is not a major flow the same as York to Leeds or Leeds to Manchester are, and there is not going to be anywhere near enough patronage to make a York—Selby—Doncaster express bus pay its way.
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Post by Username on Nov 22, 2022 23:09:36 GMT 1
Doncaster's recently become a city,with the withdrawal of the 405 recently that caused a number of complaints, could York to Doncaster be a possibility? Straight down the A19 then turning off to serve Selby & Brayton,before returning onto the A19 into Doncaster (possibly turning off A19 again to serve Eggborough village) No chance. By car, it takes about 1h15 from York Station to Doncaster Bus Station calling at Designer Outlet and Selby Bus Station, not even calling at Riccall and Barlby. By bus you would be looking at 1h30 minimum even sticking to the A19 all the way. There are generally 2 trains an hour from York to Doncaster that take about 20 minutes. As we saw with Zap2, when the bus takes so much longer than the train then people just won't use it in enough numbers to justify a service. Add to that, York to Doncaster is not a major flow the same as York to Leeds or Leeds to Manchester are, and there is not going to be anywhere near enough patronage to make a York—Selby—Doncaster express bus pay its way. How bout Manchester to Salford Zap as Salford is a city, I'm only having a laugh Salford is basically Manchester. In all seriousness if X6 and thats IF X6 is given up from First they can definately do a CityZap for that.
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Post by WYBS on Nov 22, 2022 23:17:23 GMT 1
No chance. By car, it takes about 1h15 from York Station to Doncaster Bus Station calling at Designer Outlet and Selby Bus Station, not even calling at Riccall and Barlby. By bus you would be looking at 1h30 minimum even sticking to the A19 all the way. There are generally 2 trains an hour from York to Doncaster that take about 20 minutes. As we saw with Zap2, when the bus takes so much longer than the train then people just won't use it in enough numbers to justify a service. Add to that, York to Doncaster is not a major flow the same as York to Leeds or Leeds to Manchester are, and there is not going to be anywhere near enough patronage to make a York—Selby—Doncaster express bus pay its way. How bout Manchester to Salford Zap as Salford is a city, I'm only having a laugh Salford is basically Manchester. In all seriousness if X6 and thats IF X6 is given up from First they can definately do a CityZap for that. First would be mental to ever give up the X6. Gotta be one of their busiest routes. Plus I'm not sure Transdev would want that, SkyClass interiors would be ripped to shreds within the first hour. I wonder if they would consider running a Huddersfield to Leeds express service once the Transpennine works are fully underway (whenever that may be), as there will be a hell of a lot of disruption.
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Post by stephen01 on Nov 22, 2022 23:30:50 GMT 1
No chance. By car, it takes about 1h15 from York Station to Doncaster Bus Station calling at Designer Outlet and Selby Bus Station, not even calling at Riccall and Barlby. By bus you would be looking at 1h30 minimum even sticking to the A19 all the way. There are generally 2 trains an hour from York to Doncaster that take about 20 minutes. As we saw with Zap2, when the bus takes so much longer than the train then people just won't use it in enough numbers to justify a service. Add to that, York to Doncaster is not a major flow the same as York to Leeds or Leeds to Manchester are, and there is not going to be anywhere near enough patronage to make a York—Selby—Doncaster express bus pay its way. How bout Manchester to Salford Zap as Salford is a city, I'm only having a laugh Salford is basically Manchester. In all seriousness if X6 and thats IF X6 is given up from First they can definately do a CityZap for that. the X6 mentioned is their own Harrogate route. First wont surrender the Leeds-Bradford X6 as the New Streetdecks at Bradford are for that & the 72. Can possibly see First surrendering 363/X63 as that's not had major investment in a long time so that would be a good Cityzap route.
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Post by stephen01 on Nov 22, 2022 23:35:40 GMT 1
How bout Manchester to Salford Zap as Salford is a city, I'm only having a laugh Salford is basically Manchester. In all seriousness if X6 and thats IF X6 is given up from First they can definately do a CityZap for that. First would be mental to ever give up the X6. Gotta be one of their busiest routes. Plus I'm not sure Transdev would want that, SkyClass interiors would be ripped to shreds within the first hour. I wonder if they would consider running a Huddersfield to Leeds express service once the Transpennine works are fully underway (whenever that may be), as there will be a hell of a lot of disruption. Isn't that why the 229 had it's route tweaked to not serve Roberttown to provide a faster link between Leeds & Huddersfield. If they did it'd just compete with 229 albeit possibly not serving Heckmondwike & Birstall Market and running straight on A62 to Birstall and on to Leeds. We all know the M62 & M621 aren't all that reliable at the minute either with all their changes via various projects e.g Connect Leeds.
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Post by mattb7tl on Nov 23, 2022 4:11:01 GMT 1
Huddersfield to Sheffield? I have a feeling that the WY Metro wouldn't hype a service that doesn't pass through WY? It seems like a golden opportunity. Multiple small villages along the way (Grange Moor, Flockton, Midgely, & Bretton) as well as... the Yorkshire Sculpture Park! Not to mention the pricy, infrequent, and uncomfortable trains? Seems like a recipe for success...
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Nov 23, 2022 8:48:35 GMT 1
How bout Manchester to Salford Zap as Salford is a city, I'm only having a laugh Salford is basically Manchester. In all seriousness if X6 and thats IF X6 is given up from First they can definately do a CityZap for that. the X6 mentioned is their own Harrogate route. First wont surrender the Leeds-Bradford X6 as the New Streetdecks at Bradford are for that & the 72. Can possibly see First surrendering 363/X63 as that's not had major investment in a long time so that would be a good Cityzap route. I seriously doubt that, the X63 must be the busiest service Huddersfield run.
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Post by kendall17 on Nov 23, 2022 9:08:07 GMT 1
Love all the wild suggestions in the basis of 1 tweet.
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Post by pub146g on Nov 23, 2022 11:07:32 GMT 1
Love all the wild suggestions in the basis of 1 tweet. Ah, a sensible post at last. Must admit though, some of these threads on the forum are my number one 'go to' when I'm in need of a good laugh! 😅
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Post by deerfold on Nov 23, 2022 11:14:14 GMT 1
Huddersfield to Sheffield? I have a feeling that the WY Metro wouldn't hype a service that doesn't pass through WY? It seems like a golden opportunity. Multiple small villages along the way (Grange Moor, Flockton, Midgely, & Bretton) as well as... the Yorkshire Sculpture Park! Not to mention the pricy, infrequent, and uncomfortable trains? Seems like a recipe for success... Like the X37? Or the M1? Maybe this time it'll last.
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Post by mattb7tl on Nov 23, 2022 14:44:58 GMT 1
Huddersfield to Sheffield? I have a feeling that the WY Metro wouldn't hype a service that doesn't pass through WY? It seems like a golden opportunity. Multiple small villages along the way (Grange Moor, Flockton, Midgely, & Bretton) as well as... the Yorkshire Sculpture Park! Not to mention the pricy, infrequent, and uncomfortable trains? Seems like a recipe for success... Like the X37? Or the M1? Maybe this time it'll last. Not too familiar with older route numbers, was too young to experience that cool era! But yes, by using the M1. By car, google maps seems to think the route takes around fifty minutes to an hour. I wonder how much longer it would take by bus? If it's only a little bit longer, it has a chance to also be quicker than the train, which usually takes an hour and a half...
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Post by lucyp on Nov 27, 2022 0:48:24 GMT 1
The withdrawal hasn't helped with bus or driver supplies. An old banger on the X99 yesterday and today. 18 planned cancellations across the Harrogate bus network today. How many were actually cancelled? Not great when there is a rail strike on.
I used the 7 yesterday into Harrogate, and the next stop announcement was stuck on "This bus is on diversion". It wasn't.
They still have "Get Back To Bus" on the display of some of the buses. It should read "Just Use Your Car"
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Post by deerfold on Nov 27, 2022 10:28:30 GMT 1
The withdrawal hasn't helped with bus or driver supplies. An old banger on the X99 yesterday and today. 18 planned cancellations across the Harrogate bus network today. How many were actually cancelled? Not great when there is a rail strike on. I used the 7 yesterday into Harrogate, and the next stop announcement was stuck on "This bus is on diversion". It wasn't. They still have "Get Back To Bus" on the display of some of the buses. It should read "Just Use Your Car" I'll try again. Have you contacted Harrogate buses, at all?
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Post by Username on Nov 27, 2022 11:09:56 GMT 1
The withdrawal hasn't helped with bus or driver supplies. An old banger on the X99 yesterday and today. 18 planned cancellations across the Harrogate bus network today. How many were actually cancelled? Not great when there is a rail strike on. I used the 7 yesterday into Harrogate, and the next stop announcement was stuck on "This bus is on diversion". It wasn't. They still have "Get Back To Bus" on the display of some of the buses. It should read "Just Use Your Car" No cancellations in Harrogate yesterday according to the service updates page on Harrogate Bus.
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Post by joshben on Nov 27, 2022 14:56:55 GMT 1
The withdrawal hasn't helped with bus or driver supplies. An old banger on the X99 yesterday and today. 18 planned cancellations across the Harrogate bus network today. How many were actually cancelled? Not great when there is a rail strike on. I used the 7 yesterday into Harrogate, and the next stop announcement was stuck on "This bus is on diversion". It wasn't. They still have "Get Back To Bus" on the display of some of the buses. It should read "Just Use Your Car" And X99 being cancelled! Even when they're running they don't seem full enough to make a profit!
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Post by mattb7tl on Nov 27, 2022 15:48:06 GMT 1
The withdrawal hasn't helped with bus or driver supplies. An old banger on the X99 yesterday and today. 18 planned cancellations across the Harrogate bus network today. How many were actually cancelled? Not great when there is a rail strike on. I used the 7 yesterday into Harrogate, and the next stop announcement was stuck on "This bus is on diversion". It wasn't. They still have "Get Back To Bus" on the display of some of the buses. It should read "Just Use Your Car" Lucy, that isn't a company exclusive issue. It is an industry wide challenge affecting every single company. Sure they could take on less routes during a driver shortage but then many areas would be left unserviced. It is better to temporarily have an unreliable bus route, than none at all...
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Post by SCH117X on Nov 27, 2022 17:42:59 GMT 1
The withdrawal hasn't helped with bus or driver supplies. An old banger on the X99 yesterday and today. A 17 year old Gemini that has been heavilly refurbished and well maintained is hardly an old banger.
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Post by Username on Nov 27, 2022 18:06:13 GMT 1
The withdrawal hasn't helped with bus or driver supplies. An old banger on the X99 yesterday and today. 18 planned cancellations across the Harrogate bus network today. How many were actually cancelled? Not great when there is a rail strike on. I used the 7 yesterday into Harrogate, and the next stop announcement was stuck on "This bus is on diversion". It wasn't. They still have "Get Back To Bus" on the display of some of the buses. It should read "Just Use Your Car" Yep maybe you should use a car if you aren't happy with the bus service. Just stating, ain't hating! Before I get destroyed.
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Post by kendall17 on Nov 27, 2022 18:10:59 GMT 1
The withdrawal hasn't helped with bus or driver supplies. An old banger on the X99 yesterday and today. A 17 year old Gemini that has been heavilly refurbished and well maintained is hardly an old banger. I would argue that it is. Refurb or not. 17 years old is close to the end of it's main service life.
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Post by nic on Nov 27, 2022 19:51:57 GMT 1
The withdrawal hasn't helped with bus or driver supplies. An old banger on the X99 yesterday and today. 18 planned cancellations across the Harrogate bus network today. How many were actually cancelled? Not great when there is a rail strike on. I used the 7 yesterday into Harrogate, and the next stop announcement was stuck on "This bus is on diversion". It wasn't. They still have "Get Back To Bus" on the display of some of the buses. It should read "Just Use Your Car" Please don't ever fly. There are aircraft that are much older than that flying (but a lot safer) but jeeeze we wouldn't here the end of it on here. On a slightly difference topic; have you contacted your local councillor, MP and/or the company with your endless lists of complaints? Were a little tired and bored and quite frankly don't give a monkeys about the pettiness of a stop announcement (I'd put my air pods in and turn it up to ignore the stop announcements). Maybe they do.
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Post by joseph on Nov 27, 2022 20:12:22 GMT 1
The withdrawal hasn't helped with bus or driver supplies. An old banger on the X99 yesterday and today. 18 planned cancellations across the Harrogate bus network today. How many were actually cancelled? Not great when there is a rail strike on. I used the 7 yesterday into Harrogate, and the next stop announcement was stuck on "This bus is on diversion". It wasn't. They still have "Get Back To Bus" on the display of some of the buses. It should read "Just Use Your Car" I've asked for the presidents from Keighley to go to Harrogate as back ups for routes like the X98/9 lol, would laugh if they actually did it lol, seriously though, have you asked Alex to withdraw minor routes like the 24, which has struggled for a while, and to give up minor tenders like the 8 so he has enough drivers? If you nag him hard, he'll end up thinking sod this I'll just do as she says.
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Post by northerner on Nov 27, 2022 21:54:43 GMT 1
Only one 36 left Leeds between 1610 and 1710 yesterday, and even then the driver refused to allow any more passengers to board despite no one standing. The queue of people left behind was stretching down the entrance doors at the Dyer Street entrance and the electronic boards were showing the 1730 as cancelled. As Lucy mentions, the withdrawal of City Zap hasn't led to a reduction in cancellations and with Harrogate benefitting from drivers loaned from other depots it really does make you wonder why Harrogate are having an issue with recruitment/retention.
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