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Post by selbybus on Jun 2, 2022 19:46:10 GMT 1
Without being rude Joseph you don’t know or understand what your talking about. Which company in their right mind would start playing rough tactics with the general public to try and get them on the buses? Many years ago Arriva did a use it or loose campaign on the 42 and the backlash from it was massive, Selby was once a profitable depot before previous Governments cut most of funding and then unfortunately the Arriva management at head office lacked any ideas or investment to keep it profitable despite being told by drivers. I get the feeling you are saying this strike wouldn’t be happening if Selby wasn’t included? I’m afraid your massively wrong as Selby is only a very small part of Arriva Yorkshire and they could off load it anytime if they wished to. Their are bigger problems at Arriva Yorkshire and they are mainly based in West Yorkshire and Wakefield. WYCA also tried the aggressive use it or lose it approach and it did work in many cases, so getting aggressive with the locals can work. Selby is part of the reason why Arriva have not offered more, they aren't going to offer more than they can justify if one part of the Yorkshire operation is being propped up by profits from the rest, I suspect Selby is a very expensive to run operation being very rural for much of it, and Arriva know investing money into any ideas to improve Selby is taking too big a risk in such a high car owning and train using area. Not so long ago, buses from Leeds to Selby were well used, I caught one mid morning bus the other week that had half the numbers it used to have from the previous time I used it, and every time I go to Selby all I see is more and more cars. Penny numbers at stops on the high street and in the bus station which isn't good for a week day morning during school holidays. Arriva also know they can't really sell Selby for the type of money they'll want for it, Transdev will be the only interested party, and won't want to pay much for it, so should this strike affect profits then you won't see Selby lasting, buses transferred over to replace other older ones, staff transferred over to cover shortages in vacancies, former marginal or loss making depot issue solved. If there are problems elsewhere contributing to this strike, then the union should publicise these issues in order to gain support from the public rather than making it just about pay. I’m afraid whoever you get your info from is incorrect or your just making it up off the top of your head. Each depot has its own budget and looks after itself, to suggest any West Yorkshire depot props up Selby is wrong or any other for that matter. I can assure you all depots are currently losing money which is why the government is “propping the bus industry up”. Selby is no more expensive to run than say Wakefield in fact the operating costs will be a lot lower because of the significant wage difference compared to West Yorkshire and also Selby doesn’t have an engineer department so that is wrong, also before covid Selby was making a profit. We will have to agree to disagree on this or we will be going round in circles all night but please make sure you have the full facts before saying what you think is true. As far as Selby closing well that’s up to Arriva or should I say DB and how much % profit they want out of it. Transdev in my opinion would probably make a good go of Selby as Transdev want a lower profit margin than DB do. Time will tell I suppose
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Post by deerfold on Jun 2, 2022 21:30:49 GMT 1
Who do you think they'd be threatening there? What do you think those people would then be able to do about a strike? It's with reference to depot staff at Selby trying to keep the depot open, when a simpler way would be for Arriva to threaten to close it. You'd soon see some of the many car drivers using the bus a bit more if they knew what'd happen should the threat go through. All those lifts they'd have to provide for their off spring for a start, not to mention the stranded elderly in the family, and should they want to get slaughtered, well that's a taxi job, and they'll be much harder to come across should more people need them! Can't understand why Arriva haven't slapped locals round Selby etc in the face with the threat of closure and it's consequences. Can't do ow't about a strike like, but one of the reasons Arriva aren't coughing for a big pay rise up is Selby depot, doesn't turn over a big enough profit, and with the losses it's made that hasn't helped justify a big pay rise either, other depots may make more money over the years, but I bet a lot of that has been used to keep Selby running. This still doesn't explain the process you think will happen. Do you think people will donate money for pay rises? Or pressure Arriva to pay more?
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Post by Dom on Jun 2, 2022 23:00:59 GMT 1
Good on them!
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Post by rhythmb on Jun 4, 2022 9:09:01 GMT 1
I find it astonishing that Arriva are suggesting using First or Transdev busses during the strike when neither serve Wakefield.
They really don't have a clue.
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Post by rhythmb on Jun 4, 2022 9:18:38 GMT 1
Tracy Brabin has been quiet about this since it was announced too, and little media coverage. And nothing on buses to tell people. Still so many elderly who don't know.
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 4, 2022 12:42:32 GMT 1
I find it astonishing that Arriva are suggesting using First or Transdev busses during the strike when neither serve Wakefield. They really don't have a clue. Arriva are stupid suggesting that as only passengers partially on the 163/166 route can use First, passengers on 261 between Kirkheaton & Huddersfield can use 262 by Team Pennine & 371 by First. Passengers between Waterloo and Huddersfield Centre who would get 231/232 can use the Denby Darts. Passengers in Glidersome Centre can use the 65 to get to Morley or Leeds. Bradford side passengers who live in the Bierley stretch approach the Interchange who would get 283/283A/425/425A/427 can get 617/618/620/621 whilst those whould get 268 between St Luke's and Interchange can get 571, 640 & 641 and those would travel between Odsel Top and the Interchange can get 645, 686 & 687. Between Wakefield & Shaw cross there'll only be Station Coaches 116. Dewsbury area you'll only have the ML2 linking linking Shaw Cross, Staincliffe & Dewsbury Moor to Dewsbury Town Centre like wise there'll only be Lyles' 205 linking parts of Mirfield to Dewsbury. You'd also have TLC's 205 offering links Gildersome to Morley, Shaw Cross to a portion of Hanging Heaton & Dewsbury (i've not included 263 as it's term-time only)
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Post by deerfold on Jun 4, 2022 14:26:50 GMT 1
I find it astonishing that Arriva are suggesting using First or Transdev busses during the strike when neither serve Wakefield. They really don't have a clue. They don't only serve Wakefield. There's plenty of places in Calderdale and Bradford where First and Transdev (mostly Team Pennine) routes share sections of route or terminal points with Arriva routes.
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Post by solo on Jun 4, 2022 16:26:55 GMT 1
I find it astonishing that Arriva are suggesting using First or Transdev busses during the strike when neither serve Wakefield. They really don't have a clue. I I find it astonishing that you assume that is what is meant by the message. Arriva, First, Transdev etc have detailed knowledge of each other’s operations mainly to avoid stepping on each other’s toes. The message is simply for passengers who have the choice of operator over common sections of routes. The statement may look vague without specific details, but sometimes you have to rely on people using their common sense. Unfortunately that can be a rare commodity nowadays.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jun 4, 2022 16:51:42 GMT 1
I find it astonishing that Arriva are suggesting using First or Transdev busses during the strike when neither serve Wakefield. They really don't have a clue. I think it is you who doesn't have a clue Dewsbury Road into Leeds Wakefield Road & Little Horton into Bradford from Hipperholme into Halifax York Road and from Hunslet into Leeds Wakefield Road into Huddersfield Horbury into Wakefield
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Post by rhythmb on Jun 4, 2022 18:40:18 GMT 1
I find it astonishing that Arriva are suggesting using First or Transdev busses during the strike when neither serve Wakefield. They really don't have a clue. I think it is you who doesn't have a clue Dewsbury Road into Leeds Wakefield Road & Little Horton into Bradford from Hipperholme into Halifax York Road and from Hunslet into Leeds Wakefield Road into Huddersfield Horbury into Wakefield Don't live anywhere near those places.
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 4, 2022 18:40:48 GMT 1
I find it astonishing that Arriva are suggesting using First or Transdev busses during the strike when neither serve Wakefield. They really don't have a clue. I think it is you who doesn't have a clue Dewsbury Road into Leeds Wakefield Road & Little Horton into Bradford from Hipperholme into Halifax York Road and from Hunslet into Leeds Wakefield Road into Huddersfield Horbury into Wakefield Horbury to Wakefield would be covered by Station Coaches with 116 & 128 as First no longer do the evening 231/232s and Team Pennine dont serve Horbury.
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Post by joseph on Jun 4, 2022 19:01:25 GMT 1
I think it is you who doesn't have a clue Dewsbury Road into Leeds Wakefield Road & Little Horton into Bradford from Hipperholme into Halifax York Road and from Hunslet into Leeds Wakefield Road into Huddersfield Horbury into Wakefield Don't live anywhere near those places. He has a point though because even in Leeds the majority of the Arriva Yorkshire served areas aren't overlapped by First or Transdev, or the overlap is so poor it's not worth using. Take Gildersome, yes there is a morning peak bus to Leeds, but not a useable afternoon peak bus if you finish after 5pm and can't adjust your hours. That bus also goes the long way round, so adding to your day. The next alternative is to walk to Morley for the 51 and 52, depending on where you live in Gildersome, it could be a long walk. From a good part of Kippax it's a long walk for the nearest First bus, same too for Swillington, Rothwell and Woodlesford, the only alternative being the hourly number 9. Thorpe, Tingley etc might have the half hourly 46 and 47 giving links at White Rose to cover PM peak travel, but that's going the long way round adding to journey time, and if those buses are busy to the extent they're full then it's a long walk to Middleton! All good and well Arriva saying 'you can use a First bus', but for a large number of people in Leeds that's either not possible because of the walk, or will take a long time. What people want to hear is Arriva compensating them somehow rather than just being told use a First bus.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2022 19:39:19 GMT 1
Scholes to Wyke section has the 687 plus might get a few people walking up from Cleckheaton to get into Bradford & possibly Leeds (if allowed to change onto X6/72 With an Arriva ticket) Crigglestone/Durker & at a push Hall Green have the alternative of walking down to Denby Dale Rd for the X1 as well (Plus the 96/A/7 from Barnsley) The Stourton area also have the option of walking to the P&R to get the bus from there (that's what i'm intending to do for work next week)
Bit of a double blow for anyone travelling between Huddersfield & Wakefield,with the train service currently suspended until at least the autumn with people being told to use the 231/2. I wonder if Transdev would allow people to use the D1/2/3 & change onto the X1 into Wakefield
I'm surprised also Stagecoach are not accepting tickets between Sandal & Wakefield on route 59.
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Post by deerfold on Jun 4, 2022 19:47:50 GMT 1
I think it is you who doesn't have a clue Dewsbury Road into Leeds Wakefield Road & Little Horton into Bradford from Hipperholme into Halifax York Road and from Hunslet into Leeds Wakefield Road into Huddersfield Horbury into Wakefield Don't live anywhere near those places. It's not all about you. Should they not tell people about alternatives because they're no good for you?
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Post by solo on Jun 4, 2022 20:29:38 GMT 1
Don't live anywhere near those places. He has a point though because even in Leeds the majority of the Arriva Yorkshire served areas aren't overlapped by First or Transdev, or the overlap is so poor it's not worth using. Take Gildersome, yes there is a morning peak bus to Leeds, but not a useable afternoon peak bus if you finish after 5pm and can't adjust your hours. That bus also goes the long way round, so adding to your day. The next alternative is to walk to Morley for the 51 and 52, depending on where you live in Gildersome, it could be a long walk. From a good part of Kippax it's a long walk for the nearest First bus, same too for Swillington, Rothwell and Woodlesford, the only alternative being the hourly number 9. Thorpe, Tingley etc might have the half hourly 46 and 47 giving links at White Rose to cover PM peak travel, but that's going the long way round adding to journey time, and if those buses are busy to the extent they're full then it's a long walk to Middleton! All good and well Arriva saying 'you can use a First bus', but for a large number of people in Leeds that's either not possible because of the walk, or will take a long time. What people want to hear is Arriva compensating them somehow rather than just being told use a First bus.
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Post by solo on Jun 4, 2022 20:36:51 GMT 1
Don't live anywhere near those places. He has a point though because even in Leeds the majority of the Arriva Yorkshire served areas aren't overlapped by First or Transdev, or the overlap is so poor it's not worth using. Take Gildersome, yes there is a morning peak bus to Leeds, but not a useable afternoon peak bus if you finish after 5pm and can't adjust your hours. That bus also goes the long way round, so adding to your day. The next alternative is to walk to Morley for the 51 and 52, depending on where you live in Gildersome, it could be a long walk. From a good part of Kippax it's a long walk for the nearest First bus, same too for Swillington, Rothwell and Woodlesford, the only alternative being the hourly number 9. Thorpe, Tingley etc might have the half hourly 46 and 47 giving links at White Rose to cover PM peak travel, but that's going the long way round adding to journey time, and if those buses are busy to the extent they're full then it's a long walk to Middleton! All good and well Arriva saying 'you can use a First bus', but for a large number of people in Leeds that's either not possible because of the walk, or will take a long time. What people want to hear is Arriva compensating them somehow rather than just being told use a First bus. Think this is being made into a mountain out of a molehill. I am neither pro or against the strike because I don’t know the full details but all Arriva are doing here is informing people that there may be an alternative bus for their prepaid tickets.In reality it probably benefits a very small number, but nevertheless someone may benefit.
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Post by rhythmb on Jun 5, 2022 9:59:56 GMT 1
Don't live anywhere near those places. It's not all about you. Should they not tell people about alternatives because they're no good for you? Well yeah, but they should realise alternatives aren't available for the majority.
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Post by Username on Jun 5, 2022 10:06:45 GMT 1
I find it astonishing that Arriva are suggesting using First or Transdev busses during the strike when neither serve Wakefield. They really don't have a clue. They don't only serve Wakefield. There's plenty of places in Calderdale and Bradford where First and Transdev (mostly Team Pennine) routes share sections of route or terminal points with Arriva routes. Yeah but Arriva has 3 routes in Calderdale? 228 and 255 then infrequent 256. Basically Dewsbury and Wakefield commuters can't get to work. I think Metro should have done a similar thing to TFGM where they contracted bus companies to run the services on temporary basis. If staff on Arriva want more money, a strike won't help as people will most likely start using their cars to get to work again and Arriva will loose a fair share of customers.
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 5, 2022 10:21:01 GMT 1
They don't only serve Wakefield. There's plenty of places in Calderdale and Bradford where First and Transdev (mostly Team Pennine) routes share sections of route or terminal points with Arriva routes. Yeah but Arriva has 3 routes in Calderdale? 228 and 255 then infrequent 256. Basically Dewsbury and Wakefield commuters can't get to work. I think Metro should have done a similar thing to TFGM where they contracted bus companies to run the services on temporary basis. If staff on Arriva want more money, a strike won't help as people will most likely start using their cars to get to work again and Arriva will loose a fair share of customers. Arriva HAVE approached other operators but mainly to cover Schools and the TK Maxx contract but lets not forget that other operators would need to get route learning done, ticket machines & destis updated and that's all after the main points of would they have the staff & vehicles to help.
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Post by joseph on Jun 5, 2022 14:14:02 GMT 1
What someone at Arriva should have done (takes just 1 person) is work out how far the nearest Transdev and First bus routes are from all the main urban centres and villages etc within a reasonable walk, e.g. from Howden Clough, Upper Batley and Bruntcliffe the nearest First bus is a 25 to 50 minute walk to Morley Asda or town centre, then provide all this information on one page with a link from both Facebook and Twitter posts. Arriva should have also provided information on the website, twitter, Facebook and by phone as how someone can extend their season ticket, or claim for additional day tickets which I believe Arriva will allow to happen whilst the strike is on. That's a lot better than providing a brief generic statement saying Sorry and you can use First/Transdev.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jun 5, 2022 14:16:00 GMT 1
Unless there is an obvious First service which people will already be aware of, people aren’t going to walk to find one. Saying they can walk miles to Morley is not going to happen.
People will either drive, get a lift, get a taxi, get the train, or not travel
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Post by joseph on Jun 5, 2022 14:47:52 GMT 1
Unless there is an obvious First service which people will already be aware of, people aren’t going to walk to find one. Saying they can walk miles to Morley is not going to happen. People will either drive, get a lift, get a taxi, get the train, or not travel Ah, but on some local social media posts, people are already saying they'll have to walk x number of miles to and from work, at least if Arriva provide info on the nearest First/Transdev buses within a reasonable distance then that's going some way to mitigating circumstances such as a long walk or excess taxi fares. Obviously I'm not saying people from areas well away from a First or Transdev bus should be given details of their nearest service, but it'll help those say from Kippax not aware that the 19 and 19A may be an option for them, saving the walk to Leeds which some are planning to do would you believe. Some people are planning on walking for several miles each day because firstly they won't have a job if they don't turn up (agency mostly), or they can't afford taxi's, or they simply won't get paid.
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 5, 2022 20:03:44 GMT 1
Well as of 20:00 there's no update on Generation M for School coverage. Arriva are still telling passengers to First & Transdev were possible.
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Post by mattb7tl on Jun 5, 2022 20:58:25 GMT 1
Arriva posted about the strike, the way they worded this sounds like they don't intend on backing down anytime soon.
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 5, 2022 21:34:02 GMT 1
So none of the Arriva School services have been covered:
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