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Post by Penfold on Jun 1, 2022 17:35:57 GMT 1
Important time for schools especially the Year 11s sitting the GCSES too! They'll try and get some routes covered but i'll be surprised are as most other operators are either short-staffed or struggling for vehicles if MOTs are due erc. The last strike they'd been able to get some management on the road and draft support from other depots Trouble these days is management dont keep up to date with licences and/or CPC on the basis that something like this happens. I always say (MY PERSONAL OPINION) that management (where-ever possible) should maintain their licences and an up to date CPC and spent at least one day a month out in revenue earning service so they see the routes covered, how the passenger loading are, problems occured enroute (traffic, parking issues, school problems etc) and more importantly timings on the route Penfold
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Post by BusmanBry on Jun 1, 2022 18:40:49 GMT 1
Well if the Wakefield depot struggle for drivers during the strike action, i am available and would be more than happy to help out.
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 1, 2022 19:45:04 GMT 1
They'll try and get some routes covered but i'll be surprised are as most other operators are either short-staffed or struggling for vehicles if MOTs are due erc. The last strike they'd been able to get some management on the road and draft support from other depots Trouble these days is management dont keep up to date with licences and/or CPC on the basis that something like this happens. I always say (MY PERSONAL OPINION) that management (where-ever possible) should maintain their licences and an up to date CPC and spent at least one day a month out in revenue earning service so they see the routes covered, how the passenger loading are, problems occured enroute (traffic, parking issues, school problems etc) and more importantly timings on the route Penfold 1000% agree. If management at First, Transdev and the independants can do do it why can't the Arriva management apart from been spineless
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Jun 1, 2022 20:20:52 GMT 1
Well if the Wakefield depot struggle for drivers during the strike action, i am available and would be more than happy to help out. NO buses from any Arriva Yorkshire depot will be running at all
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Jun 1, 2022 20:24:37 GMT 1
They'll try and get some routes covered but i'll be surprised are as most other operators are either short-staffed or struggling for vehicles if MOTs are due erc. The last strike they'd been able to get some management on the road and draft support from other depots Trouble these days is management dont keep up to date with licences and/or CPC on the basis that something like this happens. I always say (MY PERSONAL OPINION) that management (where-ever possible) should maintain their licences and an up to date CPC and spent at least one day a month out in revenue earning service so they see the routes covered, how the passenger loading are, problems occured enroute (traffic, parking issues, school problems etc) and more importantly timings on the route Penfold Penfold I get what you're saying, but IMO, they should do a month or two not just a day, not on an easy quiet route, but on a busy route, and early, middles and lates, full duty, not just a couple of hours.
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Post by joseph on Jun 1, 2022 20:35:46 GMT 1
I wonder if Arriva gave the pay rise demanded with a bit extra, but told the union Selby depot had to close as part of the deal with no staff or routes transferred and all made redundant, would it be accepted?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jun 1, 2022 21:47:36 GMT 1
To be honest I can see this strike being the final straw for Selby depot
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Post by BusmanBry on Jun 2, 2022 4:05:55 GMT 1
I`ve just read a reply post to something i posted earlier on this thread which told me that there would be no buses leaving any of the 5 arriva yorkshire depots. Can that be true?. I mean are all the buses going to be prevented from leaving the bus depots?. What about the drivers who did not vote to strike and simply want to drive a bus and earn a wage and help to get people where they need to be?. Also what happens with the driving academy at Belle isle?. The trainee drivers will still need to undertake their required hours of driver training and wont actually be in the union yet, so will the union also not allow the trainee`s to crack on with their training so as to help them achieve their goal of becoming bus drivers so as to help aliveate the driver shortage?.
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Post by joseph on Jun 2, 2022 7:43:07 GMT 1
I`ve just read a reply post to something i posted earlier on this thread which told me that there would be no buses leaving any of the 5 arriva yorkshire depots. Can that be true?. I mean are all the buses going to be prevented from leaving the bus depots?. What about the drivers who did not vote to strike and simply want to drive a bus and earn a wage and help to get people where they need to be?. Also what happens with the driving academy at Belle isle?. The trainee drivers will still need to undertake their required hours of driver training and wont actually be in the union yet, so will the union also not allow the trainee`s to crack on with their training so as to help them achieve their goal of becoming bus drivers so as to help aliveate the driver shortage?. May well be the case there isn't enough depot staff to safely operate a skeleton service out of any depot, I should think those not willing to strike will be somehow paid or maybe re-deployed to other locations with travel costs paid if possible. You could argue that depots in Teeside and Derby are quite close by rail so maybe non striking staff will help out there.
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Post by rhythmb on Jun 2, 2022 9:06:47 GMT 1
A recent Arriva bus strike in London was called off after an improved pay offer was accepted but that strike was for only 48 hours, why is this one indefinite?
Also why did Arriva yorkshire submit an improved offer to Unite but rejected it without even balloting the members?
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Post by joseph on Jun 2, 2022 9:22:50 GMT 1
A recent Arriva bus strike in London was called off after an improved pay offer was accepted but that strike was for only 48 hours, why is this one indefinite? Also why did Arriva yorkshire submit an improved offer to Unite but rejected it without even balloting the members? Well, Stagecoach staff in South Yorkshire got a massive pay rise of over 10%, so these tactics do work. Maybe the original ballot had something in it meaning the strike would go ahead unless what was originally demanded was got.
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Jun 2, 2022 10:05:47 GMT 1
I`ve just read a reply post to something i posted earlier on this thread which told me that there would be no buses leaving any of the 5 arriva yorkshire depots. Can that be true?. I mean are all the buses going to be prevented from leaving the bus depots?. What about the drivers who did not vote to strike and simply want to drive a bus and earn a wage and help to get people where they need to be?. Also what happens with the driving academy at Belle isle?. The trainee drivers will still need to undertake their required hours of driver training and wont actually be in the union yet, so will the union also not allow the trainee`s to crack on with their training so as to help them achieve their goal of becoming bus drivers so as to help aliveate the driver shortage?. It's not just drivers striking, it's also the Engineers. Buses need to be maintained, and you can't put a bus out in service without some form of engineering support. Arriva decided not to run any buses, all non Union staff will be still be paid.
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Jun 2, 2022 10:08:25 GMT 1
A recent Arriva bus strike in London was called off after an improved pay offer was accepted but that strike was for only 48 hours, why is this one indefinite? Also why did Arriva yorkshire submit an improved offer to Unite but rejected it without even balloting the members? The offer was well below what the Union submitted in October 2021 at the beginning of pay talks, and was just a few pence. Arriva walked out of the meeting yesterday.
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Post by rhythmb on Jun 2, 2022 11:22:17 GMT 1
A recent Arriva bus strike in London was called off after an improved pay offer was accepted but that strike was for only 48 hours, why is this one indefinite? Also why did Arriva yorkshire submit an improved offer to Unite but rejected it without even balloting the members? The offer was well below what the Union submitted in October 2021 at the beginning of pay talks, and was just a few pence. Arriva walked out of the meeting yesterday. So what happens next? Do you wait until Arriva contact Unite or will Unite contact Arriva for further talks? There doesn't seem to be much interest in further discussion from either side.
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Post by joseph on Jun 2, 2022 11:29:44 GMT 1
Wouldn't surprise me, if this carried on for a while if any of the independents submitted duplicate services to cover Arriva routes, or upped the frequency of existing services.
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 2, 2022 12:34:38 GMT 1
Wouldn't surprise me, if this carried on for a while if any of the independents submitted duplicate services to cover Arriva routes, or upped the frequency of existing services. But that would only be if ANY of the independants have the drivers and vehicles available to cover ANY route. The only routes in West Yorks that will need to be covered as priority is the school network followed by the routes tendered by Metro so for Dewsbury for example the priorty routes covered will be 213 and 230/230A.
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Post by Username on Jun 2, 2022 12:36:22 GMT 1
Arriva has been having a hard time lately and because of the poor wages, arriva has become unreliable as drivers keep leaving for other bus operators or HGV driving as the salary is higher. Transdev and First as well as the independent bus companies seem to be struggling a lot less with their campaigns to encourage people to use buses so they get a lot of money and the drivers get payed more. I Arriva should have sold Selby depot. Transdev might be a great idea for it as they previously have experience running the 42 and they can link up with the services at York.
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Post by selbybus on Jun 2, 2022 12:47:39 GMT 1
Please don’t believe everything you read in the press and what Arriva put out. Only the Arriva staff and Union know the true and that’s why we are walking out on strike. Also while this might be an inconvenience for the travelling public the drivers, inspectors and engineers deserve everything for the hard work that’s been put in over the covid period and also the day in day out problems we have had to put up with (again only the staff know) behind the scenes. It’s easy to make comments when you know nothing about what goes off even if you think you do (believe me you don’t). No one wants to strike but you do what you have to do!
Also the comments about Selby are not great, the drivers there are on a lot less than the other depots and have done a lot over the years to help keep that depot open (again not seen by the public).
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Post by joseph on Jun 2, 2022 13:11:16 GMT 1
The harsh reality though is Selby depot is one of the bad issues of the Yorkshire empire, it's lost money for a while and that doesn't help get a wage rise. Going a bit off topic, but a bit relevant should Arriva decide because of this strike enough is enough, no matter how hard depot staff work to turn it around, it's an area that has lost out badly to the car, or train. What should have happened is Arriva threaten publically with force and no shame what so ever to close the depot unless things turned around, pointing out to those lovely people in their posh cars that they'll have to ferry little Johnny around because the local council won't fully fund a replacement network. The horror story of Skipton should have been used as an example of what'll happen should Arriva pull out, a town with a reasonable network decimated overnight when Pennine closed!
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Post by deerfold on Jun 2, 2022 14:03:02 GMT 1
What should have happened is Arriva threaten publically with force and no shame what so ever to close the depot unless things turned around, pointing out to those lovely people in their posh cars that they'll have to ferry little Johnny around because the local council won't fully fund a replacement network. The horror story of Skipton should have been used as an example of what'll happen should Arriva pull out, a town with a reasonable network decimated overnight when Pennine closed! Who do you think they'd be threatening there? What do you think those people would then be able to do about a strike?
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Post by joseph on Jun 2, 2022 15:36:56 GMT 1
What should have happened is Arriva threaten publically with force and no shame what so ever to close the depot unless things turned around, pointing out to those lovely people in their posh cars that they'll have to ferry little Johnny around because the local council won't fully fund a replacement network. The horror story of Skipton should have been used as an example of what'll happen should Arriva pull out, a town with a reasonable network decimated overnight when Pennine closed! Who do you think they'd be threatening there? What do you think those people would then be able to do about a strike? It's with reference to depot staff at Selby trying to keep the depot open, when a simpler way would be for Arriva to threaten to close it. You'd soon see some of the many car drivers using the bus a bit more if they knew what'd happen should the threat go through. All those lifts they'd have to provide for their off spring for a start, not to mention the stranded elderly in the family, and should they want to get slaughtered, well that's a taxi job, and they'll be much harder to come across should more people need them! Can't understand why Arriva haven't slapped locals round Selby etc in the face with the threat of closure and it's consequences. Can't do ow't about a strike like, but one of the reasons Arriva aren't coughing for a big pay rise up is Selby depot, doesn't turn over a big enough profit, and with the losses it's made that hasn't helped justify a big pay rise either, other depots may make more money over the years, but I bet a lot of that has been used to keep Selby running.
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Post by selbybus on Jun 2, 2022 17:24:32 GMT 1
Who do you think they'd be threatening there? What do you think those people would then be able to do about a strike? It's with reference to depot staff at Selby trying to keep the depot open, when a simpler way would be for Arriva to threaten to close it. You'd soon see some of the many car drivers using the bus a bit more if they knew what'd happen should the threat go through. All those lifts they'd have to provide for their off spring for a start, not to mention the stranded elderly in the family, and should they want to get slaughtered, well that's a taxi job, and they'll be much harder to come across should more people need them! Can't understand why Arriva haven't slapped locals round Selby etc in the face with the threat of closure and it's consequences. Can't do ow't about a strike like, but one of the reasons Arriva aren't coughing for a big pay rise up is Selby depot, doesn't turn over a big enough profit, and with the losses it's made that hasn't helped justify a big pay rise either, other depots may make more money over the years, but I bet a lot of that has been used to keep Selby running. Without being rude Joseph you don’t know or understand what your talking about. Which company in their right mind would start playing rough tactics with the general public to try and get them on the buses? Many years ago Arriva did a use it or loose campaign on the 42 and the backlash from it was massive, Selby was once a profitable depot before previous Governments cut most of funding and then unfortunately the Arriva management at head office lacked any ideas or investment to keep it profitable despite being told by drivers. I get the feeling you are saying this strike wouldn’t be happening if Selby wasn’t included? I’m afraid your massively wrong as Selby is only a very small part of Arriva Yorkshire and they could off load it anytime if they wished to. Their are bigger problems at Arriva Yorkshire and they are mainly based in West Yorkshire and Wakefield.
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Post by mattb7tl on Jun 2, 2022 18:20:53 GMT 1
Could anybody simplify and sum up everything that has been going on? I'm having a hard time understanding the thread
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Post by joseph on Jun 2, 2022 18:47:31 GMT 1
It's with reference to depot staff at Selby trying to keep the depot open, when a simpler way would be for Arriva to threaten to close it. You'd soon see some of the many car drivers using the bus a bit more if they knew what'd happen should the threat go through. All those lifts they'd have to provide for their off spring for a start, not to mention the stranded elderly in the family, and should they want to get slaughtered, well that's a taxi job, and they'll be much harder to come across should more people need them! Can't understand why Arriva haven't slapped locals round Selby etc in the face with the threat of closure and it's consequences. Can't do ow't about a strike like, but one of the reasons Arriva aren't coughing for a big pay rise up is Selby depot, doesn't turn over a big enough profit, and with the losses it's made that hasn't helped justify a big pay rise either, other depots may make more money over the years, but I bet a lot of that has been used to keep Selby running. Without being rude Joseph you don’t know or understand what your talking about. Which company in their right mind would start playing rough tactics with the general public to try and get them on the buses? Many years ago Arriva did a use it or loose campaign on the 42 and the backlash from it was massive, Selby was once a profitable depot before previous Governments cut most of funding and then unfortunately the Arriva management at head office lacked any ideas or investment to keep it profitable despite being told by drivers. I get the feeling you are saying this strike wouldn’t be happening if Selby wasn’t included? I’m afraid your massively wrong as Selby is only a very small part of Arriva Yorkshire and they could off load it anytime if they wished to. Their are bigger problems at Arriva Yorkshire and they are mainly based in West Yorkshire and Wakefield. WYCA also tried the aggressive use it or lose it approach and it did work in many cases, so getting aggressive with the locals can work. Selby is part of the reason why Arriva have not offered more, they aren't going to offer more than they can justify if one part of the Yorkshire operation is being propped up by profits from the rest, I suspect Selby is a very expensive to run operation being very rural for much of it, and Arriva know investing money into any ideas to improve Selby is taking too big a risk in such a high car owning and train using area. Not so long ago, buses from Leeds to Selby were well used, I caught one mid morning bus the other week that had half the numbers it used to have from the previous time I used it, and every time I go to Selby all I see is more and more cars. Penny numbers at stops on the high street and in the bus station which isn't good for a week day morning during school holidays. Arriva also know they can't really sell Selby for the type of money they'll want for it, Transdev will be the only interested party, and won't want to pay much for it, so should this strike affect profits then you won't see Selby lasting, buses transferred over to replace other older ones, staff transferred over to cover shortages in vacancies, former marginal or loss making depot issue solved. If there are problems elsewhere contributing to this strike, then the union should publicise these issues in order to gain support from the public rather than making it just about pay.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2022 19:24:34 GMT 1
Without being rude Joseph you don’t know or understand what your talking about. Which company in their right mind would start playing rough tactics with the general public to try and get them on the buses? Many years ago Arriva did a use it or loose campaign on the 42 and the backlash from it was massive, Selby was once a profitable depot before previous Governments cut most of funding and then unfortunately the Arriva management at head office lacked any ideas or investment to keep it profitable despite being told by drivers. I get the feeling you are saying this strike wouldn’t be happening if Selby wasn’t included? I’m afraid your massively wrong as Selby is only a very small part of Arriva Yorkshire and they could off load it anytime if they wished to. Their are bigger problems at Arriva Yorkshire and they are mainly based in West Yorkshire and Wakefield. WYCA also tried the aggressive use it or lose it approach and it did work in many cases, so getting aggressive with the locals can work. Selby is part of the reason why Arriva have not offered more, they aren't going to offer more than they can justify if one part of the Yorkshire operation is being propped up by profits from the rest, I suspect Selby is a very expensive to run operation being very rural for much of it, and Arriva know investing money into any ideas to improve Selby is taking too big a risk in such a high car owning and train using area. Not so long ago, buses from Leeds to Selby were well used, I caught one mid morning bus the other week that had half the numbers it used to have from the previous time I used it, and every time I go to Selby all I see is more and more cars. Penny numbers at stops on the high street and in the bus station which isn't good for a week day morning during school holidays. Arriva also know they can't really sell Selby for the type of money they'll want for it, Transdev will be the only interested party, and won't want to pay much for it, so should this strike affect profits then you won't see Selby lasting, buses transferred over to replace other older ones, staff transferred over to cover shortages in vacancies, former marginal or loss making depot issue solved. If there are problems elsewhere contributing to this strike, then the union should publicise these issues in order to gain support from the public rather than making it just about pay. It does beg the question if Selby does lose so much money why not just close it? Arriva have got form for closing depots down that are not pulling their weight (I Think Yorkshire might actually be the only Arriva operation to never see a depot close under their ownership,apart from the short lived attempt at city services in Leeds) If Arriva couldn't find a seller at the price they are wanting including the fleet,i wonder if they have tried selling it in a similar deal to First did with Bolton,where once the new owner gets replacements the vehicles will return & be transferred elsewhere in Arriva.
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