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Post by leeds rider on Oct 13, 2020 18:08:10 GMT 1
Couple of observations from changes around headingley corridor when travelled to leeds & back; 85 empty with 1 pax on a double decker. I think this service will be withdrawn unless it’s well advertised and used. It can be used by headingley passengers who seem to not know this. 8 on the way in was lightly used. Many people opting to stop 1 services instead. Again this needs to be widely advertised. Never seen so many 1’s. Saw 3 coupled together at Lawnswood school which indicates the absorption time at the Lawnswood end. Hope the 8 picks up for the headingley section as it is timed to provide every 3/4 minutes with the 1. Do we think the 8 is going to last? It does seem an odd route as it duplicates the 6 from the Bus Station to Lawnswood Roundabout and the 1 from Albion Street to Lawnswood School. Does the Headingley corridor really need that many stopping services per hour (especially at the moment)? About one every 2 minutes when you add in the 27, 28 and 85?
Also: anyone know when Infirmary Street is due to fully reopen? The 1 is a bit weird at the moment on the First app, running straight from Bishopgate Street to Albion Street - and I mean, straight! You'd think it would stop somewhere on the Headrow, as it used to do before the previous road reversals, but no.
The 1 never stopped on the Headrow. The only stop between Bishopgate Street and Albion Street was Infirmary Street (northbound) and Park Row (southbound). If Infirmary Street is u/s, Bishopgate Stree
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Post by leeds rider on Oct 13, 2020 18:11:11 GMT 1
Couple of observations from changes around headingley corridor when travelled to leeds & back; 85 empty with 1 pax on a double decker. I think this service will be withdrawn unless it’s well advertised and used. It can be used by headingley passengers who seem to not know this. 8 on the way in was lightly used. Many people opting to stop 1 services instead. Again this needs to be widely advertised. Never seen so many 1’s. Saw 3 coupled together at Lawnswood school which indicates the absorption time at the Lawnswood end. Hope the 8 picks up for the headingley section as it is timed to provide every 3/4 minutes with the 1. Do we think the 8 is going to last? It does seem an odd route as it duplicates the 6 from the Bus Station to Lawnswood Roundabout and the 1 from Albion Street to Lawnswood School. Does the Headingley corridor really need that many stopping services per hour (especially at the moment)? About one every 2 minutes when you add in the 27, 28 and 85?
Also: anyone know when Infirmary Street is due to fully reopen? The 1 is a bit weird at the moment on the First app, running straight from Bishopgate Street to Albion Street - and I mean, straight! You'd think it would stop somewhere on the Headrow, as it used to do before the previous road reversals, but no.
The 1 never stopped on the Headrow. The only stop between Bishopgate Street and Albion Street was Infirmary Street (towards Holt Park) or Park Row (towards Beeston). If Infirmary Street is u/s, there isn't really anywhere sensible to have a temporary replacement.
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Post by nic on Oct 13, 2020 19:09:34 GMT 1
Couple of observations from changes around headingley corridor when travelled to leeds & back; 85 empty with 1 pax on a double decker. I think this service will be withdrawn unless it’s well advertised and used. It can be used by headingley passengers who seem to not know this. 8 on the way in was lightly used. Many people opting to stop 1 services instead. Again this needs to be widely advertised. Never seen so many 1’s. Saw 3 coupled together at Lawnswood school which indicates the absorption time at the Lawnswood end. Hope the 8 picks up for the headingley section as it is timed to provide every 3/4 minutes with the 1. Do we think the 8 is going to last? It does seem an odd route as it duplicates the 6 from the Bus Station to Lawnswood Roundabout and the 1 from Albion Street to Lawnswood School. Does the Headingley corridor really need that many stopping services per hour (especially at the moment)? About one every 2 minutes when you add in the 27, 28 and 85?
Also: anyone know when Infirmary Street is due to fully reopen? The 1 is a bit weird at the moment on the First app, running straight from Bishopgate Street to Albion Street - and I mean, straight! You'd think it would stop somewhere on the Headrow, as it used to do before the previous road reversals, but no. I think the 8 will last. I think it will take time for it to build up, especially in the headingley corridor. Remember we are living in times where buses are operating with reduced capacity so it is probably good the amount of services they’ve introduced. They do need to publicise the 85 does stop in headingley. To provide any relief especially at peak on other services.
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Post by jdodger08 on Oct 13, 2020 19:21:58 GMT 1
I was looking at the map and wouldn't it make more sense for one 7A to extend hourly to Pool?
I think journey times would be quicker.
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Post by stevieinselby on Oct 13, 2020 19:29:03 GMT 1
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Oct 13, 2020 19:32:15 GMT 1
I was looking at the map and wouldn't it make more sense for one 7A to extend hourly to Pool? I think journey times would be quicker. I don’t think deckers would be suitable running down the back of King Lane, Arthington Road and Kings road. So can’t see it happening. Beyond Alwoodley they’re tight roads even for a car. Pool has always been a grey area for serving a bus. Reality if Transdev (who are running the airport services) could extend the A1 to Otley via Pool and maybe put the 62 back to Otley ( allow connecting journeys in Otley bus station between 62 and A1. That’s my idea. But don’t want to sidetrack the posts.
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Post by stevieinselby on Oct 13, 2020 20:04:13 GMT 1
I don’t think deckers would be suitable running down the back of King Lane, Arthington Road and Kings road. So can’t see it happening. Beyond Alwoodley they’re tight roads even for a car. One thing that is sometimes forgotten is that double-deckers aren't usually as long as large single-deckers. An Enviro400 starts at 10.5m, which is only the same length as a mid-size Enviro200, and about 1.5m shorter than a full-size Volvo saloon. So it depends what the alternatives are - if they need a higher capacity than a midibus can offer then a double-decker might be the best solution. (I don't know the roads or routes in question, so this is all a bit hypothetical)
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Post by nic on Oct 13, 2020 22:40:19 GMT 1
I was looking at the map and wouldn't it make more sense for one 7A to extend hourly to Pool? I think journey times would be quicker. I don’t think deckers would be suitable running down the back of King Lane, Arthington Road and Kings road. So can’t see it happening. Beyond Alwoodley they’re tight roads even for a car. Pool has always been a grey area for serving a bus. Reality if Transdev (who are running the airport services) could extend the A1 to Otley via Pool and maybe put the 62 back to Otley ( allow connecting journeys in Otley bus station between 62 and A1. That’s my idea. But don’t want to sidetrack the posts. The 7A extension would be best going via Harewood and Otley road into Pool from the east. Quicker route and more or less none stop. If that was an option. The A1 would be good. The other the option I was thinking of is extending the 34 into Pool once an hour. That way passengers can buy a ticket on one operator and change at Otley for the X84 into Leeds.
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Post by deerfold on Oct 13, 2020 23:53:56 GMT 1
The 7A extension would be best going via Harewood and Otley road into Pool from the east. Quicker route and more or less none stop. If that was an option. That sounds rather like the 781, as was.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 14, 2020 11:13:16 GMT 1
The 85 is being run with one bus, so the only way better resource allocation could be made is if they used no buses
All these extensions of other routes will all need extra buses
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Post by Burnside on Oct 14, 2020 13:21:52 GMT 1
Plus, extending the 7A or 34 would be no good for people travelling between Pool and Lawnswood or Headingley, for example.
A change of bus is never popular and extending the 7A would sever that link completely.
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Post by yorkslad on Oct 14, 2020 13:38:57 GMT 1
Do we think the 8 is going to last? It does seem an odd route as it duplicates the 6 from the Bus Station to Lawnswood Roundabout and the 1 from Albion Street to Lawnswood School. Does the Headingley corridor really need that many stopping services per hour (especially at the moment)? About one every 2 minutes when you add in the 27, 28 and 85?
Also: anyone know when Infirmary Street is due to fully reopen? The 1 is a bit weird at the moment on the First app, running straight from Bishopgate Street to Albion Street - and I mean, straight! You'd think it would stop somewhere on the Headrow, as it used to do before the previous road reversals, but no.
The 1 never stopped on the Headrow. The only stop between Bishopgate Street and Albion Street was Infirmary Street (towards Holt Park) or Park Row (towards Beeston). If Infirmary Street is u/s, there isn't really anywhere sensible to have a temporary replacement. I'm moderately confident that the 1 used to stop on Headrow (Y-something) when it ran Bishopsgate Street-City Square-Infirmary Street-East Parade, as I remember being annoyed that there was no longer an intermediate stop between Infirmary Street and Albion Street when Infirmary Street was reversed. In the Very Old Days it used to stop on Cookridge Street, so the Headrow stop would have been a replacement for that when it was changed to run via Albion Street.
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Post by stephen01 on Oct 15, 2020 22:50:32 GMT 1
Looks like there's now going to be NO October or December 2020 service change booklets from WY Metro as the website shows up to August and that's including the Leeds Area one on 4 October 2020 from when Headrow started re-opening and the dates have now originally listed have been removed in last 2 days as they were still listed Tuesday evening. www.wymetro.com/plan-a-journey/travel-news/service-changes/
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Post by jst on Oct 16, 2020 11:59:33 GMT 1
I think with COVID trending as it is its sensible to remain adaptable as service reductions are far more likely than service increases at the time being.
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Post by leeds rider on Oct 23, 2020 10:02:49 GMT 1
PB1078487/116 Cancelled (Short notice) YORKSHIRE TIGER LIMITED Route: Dewsbury to Dewsbury Service number: 334 (DTB) Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 25 Oct 2020 Cancelled pending WYCA retendering that's a first. Never known the DTB be cancelled during retendering unless Tiger have been stripped of the contract. Struggling to think of who'd run as i can only see it going back to CT Plus or maybe Station Coaches or Lyles putting in for it as i doubt TLC would have put in for it as it can't interwork with ML2. It'll be a miracle if Arriva Dewsbury team take it over but if they did i'd hope they keep to using Solos or Streetlite WF and not the stupid little e200s. Plus it seems even more odd for the cancellation date to be on a Sunday when the service doesn't run anyway. Would hope with rhe town improvements it goes back up to every 10 mins frequency and running better like under predecessors Star Travel Ossett, Tates & CT Plus. Published day before yesterday: DEAN HAWKINS Route: Dewsbury Bus Station to Dewsbury Bus Station via Sainsburys Service number: DTB Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 26 Oct 2020
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Post by joseph on Oct 23, 2020 10:16:29 GMT 1
that's a first. Never known the DTB be cancelled during retendering unless Tiger have been stripped of the contract. Struggling to think of who'd run as i can only see it going back to CT Plus or maybe Station Coaches or Lyles putting in for it as i doubt TLC would have put in for it as it can't interwork with ML2. It'll be a miracle if Arriva Dewsbury team take it over but if they did i'd hope they keep to using Solos or Streetlite WF and not the stupid little e200s. Plus it seems even more odd for the cancellation date to be on a Sunday when the service doesn't run anyway. Would hope with rhe town improvements it goes back up to every 10 mins frequency and running better like under predecessors Star Travel Ossett, Tates & CT Plus. Published day before yesterday: DEAN HAWKINS Route: Dewsbury Bus Station to Dewsbury Bus Station via Sainsburys Service number: DTB Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 26 Oct 2020 That name rings a bell, is this the person who owns Station Coaches?
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Post by stephen01 on Oct 23, 2020 11:19:05 GMT 1
Published day before yesterday: DEAN HAWKINS Route: Dewsbury Bus Station to Dewsbury Bus Station via Sainsburys Service number: DTB Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 26 Oct 2020 That name rings a bell, is this the person who owns Station Coaches? It is yes.
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Post by stephen01 on Oct 23, 2020 11:20:19 GMT 1
that's a first. Never known the DTB be cancelled during retendering unless Tiger have been stripped of the contract. Struggling to think of who'd run as i can only see it going back to CT Plus or maybe Station Coaches or Lyles putting in for it as i doubt TLC would have put in for it as it can't interwork with ML2. It'll be a miracle if Arriva Dewsbury team take it over but if they did i'd hope they keep to using Solos or Streetlite WF and not the stupid little e200s. Plus it seems even more odd for the cancellation date to be on a Sunday when the service doesn't run anyway. Would hope with rhe town improvements it goes back up to every 10 mins frequency and running better like under predecessors Star Travel Ossett, Tates & CT Plus. Published day before yesterday: DEAN HAWKINS Route: Dewsbury Bus Station to Dewsbury Bus Station via Sainsburys Service number: DTB Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 26 Oct 2020 Well makes sense for it to be a more local operator that wont have much dead mileage.
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Post by SF07 on Oct 24, 2020 12:50:50 GMT 1
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Post by stevieinselby on Nov 12, 2020 18:44:24 GMT 1
Interesting that the terminus in Pool will be 'near Otley Mills'. Where is the bus going to turn? Wouldn't terminating at Pool Bridge Corner make more sense? Slightly belatedly, but bustimes is showing the 85 as terminating on Pool Main Street, meaning that it would use the triangle at Bridge Corner to turn round, and not running to Otley Mills. It usually looks to be using a double-decker, which seems overkill.
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Post by joseph on Nov 15, 2020 19:52:30 GMT 1
This may not be the last service change period for this year. Metro have now re-added an official service change date for December 12th to the list of service change dates on the website.
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Post by yorkslad on Nov 16, 2020 23:09:02 GMT 1
Makes sense, that's the weekend when the train timetables change.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Nov 26, 2020 0:28:29 GMT 1
This may not be the last service change period for this year. Metro have now re-added an official service change date for December 12th to the list of service change dates on the website. Probably just minor changes connected with changes to the railway timetable, the next bus changes after that is only THREE weeks later.
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Post by yorkslad on Mar 5, 2021 23:35:19 GMT 1
The 1 never stopped on the Headrow. The only stop between Bishopgate Street and Albion Street was Infirmary Street (towards Holt Park) or Park Row (towards Beeston). If Infirmary Street is u/s, there isn't really anywhere sensible to have a temporary replacement. I'm moderately confident that the 1 used to stop on Headrow (Y-something) when it ran Bishopsgate Street-City Square-Infirmary Street-East Parade, as I remember being annoyed that there was no longer an intermediate stop between Infirmary Street and Albion Street when Infirmary Street was reversed. In the Very Old Days it used to stop on Cookridge Street, so the Headrow stop would have been a replacement for that when it was changed to run via Albion Street. Bad form to follow up on one's own post is an old thread I know, but: I bought an old Where to Catch Your Bus in Leeds booklet on eBay. It shows service 1 running up Briggate, but 1A, 93 and 96 from Beeston calling at Z1, S3 (Infirmary Street westerly direction) and Y7 outside the Art Gallery before reaching J3 on Albion Street. So I was mostly correct ;-)
It doesn't appear to calling at the new Y7 superstop though, and Infirmary Street wasn't finished when I walked that way earlier in the week so I don't know what calls where there westbound yet.
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