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Post by leeds rider on Sept 7, 2020 15:08:11 GMT 1
These were actually posted back in August, but I don't think have been reported here yet:
ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD
Route: Dewsbury to Leeds
Service number: 254 (254, 254A, 255, X25)
Route: Huddersfield to Leeds
Service number: 229 (229, N9)
Route: Leeds to Huddersfield
Service number: 202 (203, 202)
Route: Cleckheaton to Leeds
Service number: 200 (200, 201, 201A)
Route: Wakefield to Leeds
Service number: 118 (118, 118S, 118A)
Route: Wakefield to Leeds
Service number: 117 (117, X17)
All to Amend route via Eastgate/ The Headrow and with Effective date: 04 Oct 2020 - presumably to do with the forthcoming works around the Corn Exchange and Call Lane.
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Post by edmundwells on Sept 12, 2020 22:52:24 GMT 1
Not exactly a *service* change but from Sunday 4th October Hunslet's 42s move to Bramley, while Bramley's 5s turn into Hunslet's new electric monsters.
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Post by driver6540 on Sept 14, 2020 23:37:54 GMT 1
spent a bit of time in Halifax today, and noted First's 503 Halifax to Huddersfield (formerly Zest) service seemed to be operated by an equal amount of Halifax and Huddersfield based buses. I was under the assumption this was a Halifax depot operated route. I know Hudds ran a few boards on this route at the back end of last year, due to reported staff shortages at HX but i thought i'd seen it had reverted back to full HX operation. Does anyone know the full PVR of either depot for this route?. Apologies if posted in wrong thread.
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Post by driver6540 on Sept 15, 2020 21:45:00 GMT 1
spent a bit of time in Halifax today, and noted First's 503 Halifax to Huddersfield (formerly Zest) service seemed to be operated by an equal amount of Halifax and Huddersfield based buses. I was under the assumption this was a Halifax depot operated route. I know Hudds ran a few boards on this route at the back end of last year, due to reported staff shortages at HX but i thought i'd seen it had reverted back to full HX operation. Does anyone know the full PVR of either depot for this route?. Apologies if posted in wrong thread. Now seen that Hudds buses are operating dupes, as posted in another thread. |
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Post by joseph on Sept 17, 2020 17:32:30 GMT 1
Expect major changes to Headingley corridor services from early October, a local rag in South Leeds has reported that the 10 is to be replaced by service 1, but only between Beeston and Lawnswood with up to 8 buses an hour.
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Post by nic on Sept 17, 2020 18:25:03 GMT 1
Expect major changes to Headingley corridor services from early October, a local rag in South Leeds has reported that the 10 is to be replaced by service 1, but only between Beeston and Lawnswood with up to 8 buses an hour. So going back to old. I don’t get how anything in the corridor can be major unless overhaul of all services. The 1 increased which is good to give more capacity on the corridor providing they keep Holt Park extension is 5 or 6 buses an hour too. I don’t understand why they don’t just launch a new service or extend the 10 up to Lawnswood and keep 1 as is. It’s far more reliable since they split the route. Or the the other suggestion, send 28 into Beeston inter working with the 10 (doing short Leeds trips) and 1 take over liberty deck. |
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Post by joseph on Sept 17, 2020 19:15:04 GMT 1
Expect major changes to Headingley corridor services from early October, a local rag in South Leeds has reported that the 10 is to be replaced by service 1, but only between Beeston and Lawnswood with up to 8 buses an hour. So going back to old. I don’t get how anything in the corridor can be major unless overhaul of all services. The 1 increased which is good to give more capacity on the corridor providing they keep Holt Park extension is 5 or 6 buses an hour too. I don’t understand why they don’t just launch a new service or extend the 10 up to Lawnswood and keep 1 as is. It’s far more reliable since they split the route. Or the the other suggestion, send 28 into Beeston inter working with the 10 (doing short Leeds trips) and 1 take over liberty deck. Well with the 1 only running as far as Lawnswood roundabout, what will replace the 1 from there to Holt Park? According to the report, this change follows a review of services in the area, and the same source at First goes on to say in the report that Holt Park will still be well served by other services, so that's why I say expect major changes. |
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Post by nic on Sept 17, 2020 21:01:46 GMT 1
They terminate the service at Lawnswood and they basically withdraw from Otley road, Holt lane and road which offer better service over the 6. I don’t believe this will be beneficial to anyone, pushing passengers onto the 28 and X84 will only make them fuller quicker. Especially the 84/85 which come from Otley. Unless they plan on increasing that to every 10 minutes.
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Post by martinsfp on Sept 17, 2020 21:15:46 GMT 1
They terminate the service at Lawnswood and they basically withdraw from Otley road, Holt lane and road which offer better service over the 6. I don’t believe this will be beneficial to anyone, pushing passengers onto the 28 and X84 will only make them fuller quicker. Especially the 84/85 which come from Otley. Unless they plan on increasing that to every 10 minutes. A painful and complicated alternative would be to make the 6 and a new 6A circulars that also serve the old 1 route beyond Lawnswood. |
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Post by nic on Sept 17, 2020 21:38:33 GMT 1
They terminate the service at Lawnswood and they basically withdraw from Otley road, Holt lane and road which offer better service over the 6. I don’t believe this will be beneficial to anyone, pushing passengers onto the 28 and X84 will only make them fuller quicker. Especially the 84/85 which come from Otley. Unless they plan on increasing that to every 10 minutes. A painful and complicated alternative would be to make the 6 and a new 6A circulars that also serve the old 1 route beyond Lawnswood. Be easier surely in that instance to keep them separate as 1/6? Interwork them in Holt Park. Who knows what’s coming but I think pulling the 1 from Lawnswood-Holt Park or cutting frequency down will only make other services fuller quicker or more importantly push people into their cars. Something I’m sure local councillors and MP’s will not be happy about. |
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Post by FIYHANunDer on Sept 17, 2020 22:04:51 GMT 1
They terminate the service at Lawnswood and they basically withdraw from Otley road, Holt lane and road which offer better service over the 6. I don’t believe this will be beneficial to anyone, pushing passengers onto the 28 and X84 will only make them fuller quicker. Especially the 84/85 which come from Otley. Unless they plan on increasing that to every 10 minutes. |
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Post by peteleeds on Sept 18, 2020 7:56:21 GMT 1
Just read on the railforums website that the 784 will move to transdev operation. Not sure what truth there is in that. Would seem a little odd with them being short of buses at Keighley
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Post by rwilkes on Sept 18, 2020 8:46:36 GMT 1
Just read on the railforums website that the 784 will move to transdev operation. Not sure what truth there is in that. Would seem a little odd with them being short of buses at Keighley Not true |
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Post by yorkslad on Sept 18, 2020 15:13:35 GMT 1
A painful and complicated alternative would be to make the 6 and a new 6A circulars that also serve the old 1 route beyond Lawnswood. Be easier surely in that instance to keep them separate as 1/6? Interwork them in Holt Park. Who knows what’s coming but I think pulling the 1 from Lawnswood-Holt Park or cutting frequency down will only make other services fuller quicker or more importantly push people into their cars. Something I’m sure local councillors and MP’s will not be happy about. Service 10 at the moment is five journeys per hour (they dropped the evening service to every 40 minutes at one point!). It's more likely to be four Beeston-Holt Park services plus four (Beeston-)Leeds-Lawnswood services with the 6 increasing to six per hour or staying at four (thus keeping 12 per hour on the combined stretch from Albion Street to Lawnswood Roundabout).
With the three 27s and three 28s per hour that would give you 15 to West Park Roundabout and 18 to the Arndale - roughly one bus every 3 minutes (exactly every 3 minutes if there are six 6s). Plus the X84/X85 and any student shuttles & peak extras.
Service 1 won't become a through service again until the Infirmary Street work is finished - they're still building the exit on to East Parade and the entrance from City Square. Headrow is looking a bit more finished but whether both will be completed in time for the October service changes is another matter.
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Post by joseph on Sept 18, 2020 17:31:12 GMT 1
Be easier surely in that instance to keep them separate as 1/6? Interwork them in Holt Park. Who knows what’s coming but I think pulling the 1 from Lawnswood-Holt Park or cutting frequency down will only make other services fuller quicker or more importantly push people into their cars. Something I’m sure local councillors and MP’s will not be happy about. Service 10 at the moment is five journeys per hour (they dropped the evening service to every 40 minutes at one point!). It's more likely to be four Beeston-Holt Park services plus four (Beeston-)Leeds-Lawnswood services with the 6 increasing to six per hour or staying at four (thus keeping 12 per hour on the combined stretch from Albion Street to Lawnswood Roundabout).
With the three 27s and three 28s per hour that would give you 15 to West Park Roundabout and 18 to the Arndale - roughly one bus every 3 minutes (exactly every 3 minutes if there are six 6s). Plus the X84/X85 and any student shuttles & peak extras.
Service 1 won't become a through service again until the Infirmary Street work is finished - they're still building the exit on to East Parade and the entrance from City Square. Headrow is looking a bit more finished but whether both will be completed in time for the October service changes is another matter.
Management from First head office have been speaking to a Beeston based pressure group called 'Save Our Number 1 Bus Service', which initially campaigned via the 'Save Our Beeston, Cottingley and Holbeck' Facebook group before branching off to be a group by itself. The spokesperson from First has said that this will start from early October and will only run Beeston to Lawnswood Roundabout to ensure reliability, with a full commitment of up to 8 buses an hour. Believe it or not, that group does have some right clout, they seem very well organized and they even managed to get a First manager to attend meetings. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 18, 2020 18:32:13 GMT 1
You’d think they’d prefer the 10 as it must be much more reliable than the 1 as it doesn’t have to wade it’s way through Headingley traffic
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Post by joseph on Sept 18, 2020 19:05:50 GMT 1
You’d think they’d prefer the 10 as it must be much more reliable than the 1 as it doesn’t have to wade it’s way through Headingley traffic Believe you and me, pre-lockdown the 10 was really bad with missed journeys, late running, 4 buses running together etc. It also doesn't have a centrally located bus stop outbound as the furthest point on Infirmary Street can hardly be called central. At least the old 1 served Albion Street which is useful for the Post Office as the one in Beeston on Old Lane is quite a walk for some, and useful for Morrisons as let's face it, changing at Beeston Hill for the hourly 86 isn't right nice. The old 1 was also useful for Lawnswood School, many parents from Beeston Village send their kids there as it is a significantly better school than ones in the South Leeds area. |
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Post by peteleeds on Sept 18, 2020 19:46:37 GMT 1
Metro have announced the below
Services affected: 1, 5, 5A, 6, 8(First), 10, 11, 11A, 15, 27, 28, 29, 33, 34, 42, 49, 50, 50A, 56, 72, 74, 75, 85, 117, 118, 200, 201, 201A, 202, 203, 254, 254A, 255, 784, X6, X17, X25, X84, X85, X98 and X99
First and Arriva are changing bus services in Leeds from Sunday 4 October due to the reopening of The Headrow in the City Centre
Updated: 18 September 2020
This a summary of the changes to bus services in and around Leeds from Sunday 4 October:
Timetables will be available soon if not stated below
1 – will now operate between Beeston, Leeds City Centre and Lawnswood School only replacing service 10. Service 8 will run to Holt Park see below.
5 5A - Evenings and Sunday services that run via Calverley St instead of Leeds City College and Clarendon Way are renumbered 5A.
First will be using electric buses on these routes from Sunday 4 October.
6 – Rerouted into Leeds City Bus Station via The Headrow and Eastgate
7 7A 7S X7 - Revised timetable for punctuality and reliability
8 – New route. Leeds City Bus Station – Holt Park via Headingley and Lawnswood
11 11A – Timetable for punctuality and reliability. Service 11A running from New Briggate instead of from Infirmary Street
15 – Revised timetable for punctuality and reliability and will also be serving Amazon at Logic Business Park
27 - Rerouted into Leeds City Bus Station via the Headrow and Eastgate instead of running from Leeds Rail Station
28 - Rerouted into Leeds City Bus Station via the Headrow and Eastgate instead of running from Leeds Rail Station.
Will no longer serve Leeds Dock To be replaced by new 29.
29 – New Route operating between Leeds Dock and University of Leeds (Parkinson Steps) via Leeds City Bus Station
33 34 - Revised timetable for punctuality and reliability Rerouted towards Leeds City Bus Station via the Headrow and Eastgate
42 – Revised timetable for punctuality and reliability and rerouted via The Headrow and Eastgate towards Oakwood
60 - Revised timetable for punctuality and reliability Rerouted towards Leeds City Bus Station via the Headrow and Eastgate
72 X6 - Rerouted back into and out of Leeds City Bus Station
74 75 - Revised timetable for punctuality and reliability
85 – New route calling at all stops between Leeds Bus Stn and Pool-in-Wharfedale
Arriva services 117 118 200 201 201A 202 203 254 254A 255 X17 - are rerouted from Leeds City Bus Station via Eastgate stopping on Vicar Lane
784 - Will not be run by First and will be taken over by Transdev (Keighley Bus Company)
X84 - Rerouted into Leeds Bus Station via the Headrow and Eastgate. Monday to Saturday daytimes - a 15 minute service between Leeds Bus Station and Otley with two bus an hour to/from Ilkley
X85 will be withdrawn replaced by service 85
X98 X99 – Rerouted in Leeds City Centre, towards Wetherby services will not be going from New Briggate. X98 and X99 will start and terminate at Boar Lane.
Into the city centre running via The Headrow and Park Row. From Boar Lane running via Duncan Street, Vicar Lane and Eastgate.
Passengers can board on the Headrow for outbound journeys towards Wetherby
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Post by rossbailey on Sept 18, 2020 20:38:42 GMT 1
Just been confirmed by Alex Hornby on Twitter that Transdev will take over operating the 784 service from October 4th, 2020
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Post by stephen01 on Sept 18, 2020 20:56:09 GMT 1
Metro have announced the below Services affected: 1, 5, 5A, 6, 8(First), 10, 11, 11A, 15, 27, 28, 29, 33, 34, 42, 49, 50, 50A, 56, 72, 74, 75, 85, 117, 118, 200, 201, 201A, 202, 203, 254, 254A, 255, 784, X6, X17, X25, X84, X85, X98 and X99 First and Arriva are changing bus services in Leeds from Sunday 4 October due to the reopening of The Headrow in the City Centre Updated: 18 September 2020 This a summary of the changes to bus services in and around Leeds from Sunday 4 October: Timetables will be available soon if not stated below 1 – will now operate between Beeston, Leeds City Centre and Lawnswood School only replacing service 10. Service 8 will run to Holt Park see below. 5 5A - Evenings and Sunday services that run via Calverley St instead of Leeds City College and Clarendon Way are renumbered 5A. First will be using electric buses on these routes from Sunday 4 October. 6 – Rerouted into Leeds City Bus Station via The Headrow and Eastgate 7 7A 7S X7 - Revised timetable for punctuality and reliability 8 – New route. Leeds City Bus Station – Holt Park via Headingley and Lawnswood 11 11A – Timetable for punctuality and reliability. Service 11A running from New Briggate instead of from Infirmary Street 15 – Revised timetable for punctuality and reliability and will also be serving Amazon at Logic Business Park 27 - Rerouted into Leeds City Bus Station via the Headrow and Eastgate instead of running from Leeds Rail Station 28 - Rerouted into Leeds City Bus Station via the Headrow and Eastgate instead of running from Leeds Rail Station. Will no longer serve Leeds Dock To be replaced by new 29. 29 – New Route operating between Leeds Dock and University of Leeds (Parkinson Steps) via Leeds City Bus Station 33 34 - Revised timetable for punctuality and reliability Rerouted towards Leeds City Bus Station via the Headrow and Eastgate 42 – Revised timetable for punctuality and reliability and rerouted via The Headrow and Eastgate towards Oakwood 60 - Revised timetable for punctuality and reliability Rerouted towards Leeds City Bus Station via the Headrow and Eastgate 72 X6 - Rerouted back into and out of Leeds City Bus Station 74 75 - Revised timetable for punctuality and reliability 85 – New route calling at all stops between Leeds Bus Stn and Pool-in-Wharfedale Arriva services 117 118 200 201 201A 202 203 254 254A 255 X17 - are rerouted from Leeds City Bus Station via Eastgate stopping on Vicar Lane 784 - Will not be run by First and will be taken over by Transdev (Keighley Bus Company) X84 - Rerouted into Leeds Bus Station via the Headrow and Eastgate. Monday to Saturday daytimes - a 15 minute service between Leeds Bus Station and Otley with two bus an hour to/from Ilkley X85 will be withdrawn replaced by service 85 X98 X99 – Rerouted in Leeds City Centre, towards Wetherby services will not be going from New Briggate. X98 and X99 will start and terminate at Boar Lane. Into the city centre running via The Headrow and Park Row. From Boar Lane running via Duncan Street, Vicar Lane and Eastgate. Passengers can board on the Headrow for outbound journeys towards Wetherby 229 has been missed off the Arriva group of services affected with the changes |
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Post by dlspotter on Sept 18, 2020 21:05:17 GMT 1
Just been confirmed by Alex Hornby on Twitter that Transdev will take over operating the 784 service from October 4th, 2020 So that's pretty much confirmed that the X84 will not return to Skipton for the foreseeable. I can imagine new route branding and possibly even Sunday services. |
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Post by nic on Sept 18, 2020 21:13:43 GMT 1
New service 85 surely would be better terminating in Otley? Where will this run also? Through holt park or Otley road? And half hourly or hourly?
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Post by martinsfp on Sept 18, 2020 21:14:44 GMT 1
Hmm. I assume the 1 will serve the station or there will be no station to university services.
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Post by twansport on Sept 18, 2020 21:56:14 GMT 1
New service 85 surely would be better terminating in Otley? Where will this run also? Through holt park or Otley road? And half hourly or hourly? The big issue will be the timetable. Would an extension to Otley require another bus? With 4bph already to Otley and two other bus operators on Pool to Otley, do First see much benefit Hmm. I assume the 1 will serve the station or there will be no station to university services. It would be disappointing if First routed the 1 through roadworks outside the Corn Exchange instead of up Infirmary Street whose layout changes assist the progress of this service. |
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Post by 1071 on Sept 18, 2020 22:15:36 GMT 1
New service 85 surely would be better terminating in Otley? Where will this run also? Through holt park or Otley road? And half hourly or hourly? 85 is going to run every 90 minutes according to a post on Facebook that I saw |
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