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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 15, 2020 23:30:13 GMT 1
Probably. It usually doesn't appear until a couple of weeks before. Sometimes less. it'll be a massive one then as it will have to include all chances since March when COVID-19 started They may mop up the proper changes since March although I don’t think there have been many, but I doubt they will list every single service that has had different times changes within unchanged routes I do wonder if we will get any printed timetables?
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Post by joseph on Aug 16, 2020 8:59:30 GMT 1
I've put a big complaint in about the lack of a summary of what's changed on the website. I've pointed out that some people regularly catch more than one or two services, such as for a combination of to and from home via another area or town for work purposes, e.g. I know someone who lives in East Leeds, they catch a bus to Seacroft centre then catch a 50 to Easterly Road and change onto an X99 to Wetherby for work reasons 5 days a week both ways. On a weekend, they use various services for leisure reasons, e.g. they sometimes travel up to Thorpe Shopping complex or White Rose. This is typical of quite a few people. I've known a person regularly travel from Wetherby to Morley simply for family reasons, no doubt they use more than a couple of services as well bearing in mind how bad the 51 and 52 sometimes have been in the past.
Edit: Right, this makes sense, I've had a reply and they are having to wait until all information is finalised before publishing the changes, however this may not happen in time simply because of last minute changes. Call it a victim of the government relaxing the rules on how much notice companies give.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Aug 16, 2020 10:46:50 GMT 1
Most of the changes between March and July have been the "temporary" timetables and have been covered by the updates page. There's no reason for listing these in the PDF that should only include the 29 August- 1 September changes
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Post by joseph on Aug 16, 2020 11:23:46 GMT 1
I've put a big complaint in about the lack of a summary of what's changed on the website. I've pointed out that some people regularly catch more than one or two services, such as for a combination of to and from home via another area or town for work purposes, e.g. I know someone who lives in East Leeds, they catch a bus to Seacroft centre then catch a 50 to Easterly Road and change onto an X99 to Wetherby for work reasons 5 days a week both ways. On a weekend, they use various services for leisure reasons, e.g. they sometimes travel up to Thorpe Shopping complex or White Rose. This is typical of quite a few people. I've known a person regularly travel from Wetherby to Morley simply for family reasons, no doubt they use more than a couple of services as well bearing in mind how bad the 51 and 52 sometimes have been in the past.
Edit: Right, this makes sense, I've had a reply and they are having to wait until all information is finalised before publishing the changes, however this may not happen in time simply because of last minute changes. Call it a victim of the government relaxing the rules on how much notice companies give. Just to be clear by the way in case anyone thinks I'm over zealous, I complained about the 29th August changes, I realize that previous changes could not be fully published due to them being very short notice changes.
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Post by joseph on Aug 16, 2020 20:06:29 GMT 1
I wouldn't expect the September changes to have any form of timetable information except on the website. For example, I've been thinking about all the timetable cases with either out of date timetables, or that have a brief info sheet in place of a timetable, and when you think about it there are many county wide what need replacing, thus a lot of expense so I think the brief information sheet will become the norm to save on costs with people referred to the website.
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Post by mikeyh on Aug 16, 2020 22:29:44 GMT 1
I've put a big complaint in about the lack of a summary of what's changed on the website. I've pointed out that some people regularly catch more than one or two services, such as for a combination of to and from home via another area or town for work purposes, e.g. I know someone who lives in East Leeds, they catch a bus to Seacroft centre then catch a 50 to Easterly Road and change onto an X99 to Wetherby for work reasons 5 days a week both ways. On a weekend, they use various services for leisure reasons, e.g. they sometimes travel up to Thorpe Shopping complex or White Rose. This is typical of quite a few people. I've known a person regularly travel from Wetherby to Morley simply for family reasons, no doubt they use more than a couple of services as well bearing in mind how bad the 51 and 52 sometimes have been in the past.
Edit: Right, this makes sense, I've had a reply and they are having to wait until all information is finalised before publishing the changes, however this may not happen in time simply because of last minute changes. Call it a victim of the government relaxing the rules on how much notice companies give. Thanks for that. Genuinely insightful.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Aug 17, 2020 20:22:30 GMT 1
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Post by martinsfp on Aug 17, 2020 21:21:52 GMT 1
Thanks - alerted me to some interesting changes in my part of South Manchester! Also, as is common with TfGM, these are incomplete and more will be added (the 587 is missing even thought it’s referenced in the X58 change, for example). The way TfGM double-list every change because they pull it from a database without cleaning it up really bugs me, too!
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 17, 2020 21:33:00 GMT 1
that's annoying reading as the same thing is repeated as it shows its route for both directions
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 22:36:02 GMT 1
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Post by deerfold on Aug 17, 2020 22:44:19 GMT 1
Thanks - alerted me to some interesting changes in my part of South Manchester! Also, as is common with TfGM, these are incomplete and more will be added (the 587 is missing even thought it’s referenced in the X58 change, for example). The way TfGM double-list every change because they pull it from a database without cleaning it up really bugs me, too! And it's wrong. The 587 is replacing the X58 every day. They've just listed the days it will no longer be run by Tiger.
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Post by stevieinselby on Aug 17, 2020 23:12:16 GMT 1
I'm being a bit cautious about new timetables on bustimes ... not that I don't trust bustimes, I don't trust Arriva to get the data right! Looking at the new 476 timetable on bustimes, it shows buses from Selby as running via Westbourne Road (as expected, to replace the withdrawn 6/7), but the journeys to Selby are all shown as running via Doncaster Road. If that was right, it would mean that the only services from Westbourne Road to Selby at 1040 and 1240, and taking half an hour to run all the way around Brayton and back, which seems unlikely. I have asked them about it on Twitter, but of course all they do then is ask you to fill in a contact form because the people that run their Twitter account don't actually do anything apart from schedule the same graphics to be reposted several times a day. The 405 is shown as running via Doncaster Road in both directions, so it isn't like they are time-sharing the Westbourne Road estate either. On the plus side, they have now put in an amended route and running time to allow for the A19 closure at Eggborough Power Station, only six months after the road closed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 23:18:48 GMT 1
I'm being a bit cautious about new timetables on bustimes ... not that I don't trust bustimes, I don't trust Arriva to get the data right! Looking at the new 476 timetable on bustimes, it shows buses from Selby as running via Westbourne Road (as expected, to replace the withdrawn 6/7), but the journeys to Selby are all shown as running via Doncaster Road. If that was right, it would mean that the only services from Westbourne Road to Selby at 1040 and 1240, and taking half an hour to run all the way around Brayton and back, which seems unlikely. I have asked them about it on Twitter, but of course all they do then is ask you to fill in a contact form because the people that run their Twitter account don't actually do anything apart from schedule the same graphics to be reposted several times a day. The 405 is shown as running via Doncaster Road in both directions, so it isn't like they are time-sharing the Westbourne Road estate either. On the plus side, they have now put in an amended route and running time to allow for the A19 closure at Eggborough Power Station, only six months after the road closed. Do you know what vehicles might be used on this from Selby? Olympus's or Gemini's?
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Post by twy7 on Aug 17, 2020 23:53:54 GMT 1
I'm being a bit cautious about new timetables on bustimes ... not that I don't trust bustimes, I don't trust Arriva to get the data right! Looking at the new 476 timetable on bustimes, it shows buses from Selby as running via Westbourne Road (as expected, to replace the withdrawn 6/7), but the journeys to Selby are all shown as running via Doncaster Road. If that was right, it would mean that the only services from Westbourne Road to Selby at 1040 and 1240, and taking half an hour to run all the way around Brayton and back, which seems unlikely. I have asked them about it on Twitter, but of course all they do then is ask you to fill in a contact form because the people that run their Twitter account don't actually do anything apart from schedule the same graphics to be reposted several times a day. The 405 is shown as running via Doncaster Road in both directions, so it isn't like they are time-sharing the Westbourne Road estate either. On the plus side, they have now put in an amended route and running time to allow for the A19 closure at Eggborough Power Station, only six months after the road closed. Do you know what vehicles might be used on this from Selby? Olympus's or Gemini's? A mix of olympus and evolutions on 405 because the extra two gemini are ment for 401 and will do 415 at peak time
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 8:34:47 GMT 1
Do you know what vehicles might be used on this from Selby? Olympus's or Gemini's? A mix of olympus and evolutions on 405 because the extra two gemini are ment for 401 and will do 415 at peak time What will be used on the 408/409 then from Selby?
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Post by twy7 on Aug 18, 2020 10:16:23 GMT 1
A mix of olympus and evolutions on 405 because the extra two gemini are ment for 401 and will do 415 at peak time What will be used on the 408/409 then from Selby? The same olympus and evolutions because 405 will inter work with 408 and 409.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Aug 18, 2020 19:49:46 GMT 1
Wonder if you wouldn't mind discussing bus types on another thread?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 20:01:41 GMT 1
Wonder if you wouldn't mind discussing bus types on another thread? We can always use the fleet changes one to discuss it, of course I don't mind and I do apologise if I have gone off topic.
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Post by joseph on Aug 19, 2020 16:37:43 GMT 1
Look out for changes to the South Pennine network from September. I've heard this all second hand and can't remember exact details but they have gained more Elland local work, and are making some changes to the Elland network of services including re-numbering the 257/8 to E numbers. The Elland network will also include the former 564 route which will be re-numbered to another E number. I think the numbers will range from E1 to E6 with E6 used for a school service. Two services, including the former 564, will serve Brighouse once Park Road is open again.
The current X49 will be split with the Honley to Huddersfield section running as new service 315. The 349 Halifax to Southouram, Bradley and Asda service will be cut to run to Bradley only with extra journeys between Halifax and Southouram. The Holmfirth to Oldham 359 will not return, and the 257/A won't return either, however the 257/A have been mostly covered by other services launched earlier this Summer. They have withdrawn the X22, but this is covered anyway by the new 502 so this is why it's withdrawn.
A couple of interesting services will be launched, a new 26 will link together Fox Valley and Penistone via various places surrounding both locations, and a new service will link Halifax and Holmfirth! This will be numbered 348, and will run via Stainland, Slaithwaite and Meltham! You weren't expecting that last one, were you lol.
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 19, 2020 17:23:28 GMT 1
Here's the tweet:
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Post by SF07 on Aug 19, 2020 18:06:16 GMT 1
First WY changes in Bradford, Halifax and Huddersfield: 181/183/185 – There will be minor changes to the timetables during the morning and afternoon peak times. 200 (Huddersfield-Old Fieldhouse Lane) – There will be minor timetable changes. 231/2 - There will be minor changes to the timetable for early morning journeys. 301/302 - There will be minor changes to the timetables during the morning and afternoon peak times. 308 - There will be minor changes the the timetables during the morning and afternoon peak times. 310/314/316 - There will be minor changes the the timetables during the morning and afternoon peak times. 324 - There will be minor changes the the timetables during the morning and afternoon peak times. 328 - There will be minor changes the the timetables during the morning and afternoon peak times. 360 - There will be minor timetable changes. 363 – There will be an additional trip at 22:25pm from Huddersfield – Bradford, and at 23:12pm from Bradford – Huddersfield. 370/1/2 - There will be minor changes the the timetables during the morning and afternoon peak times. 387 - There will be minor changes to the morning timetable. 503 - The Sunday daytime timetable has been revised. 508 - There will be timetable changes during weekdays, Saturday and Sunday. 535 - Service withdrawn. 537 – There will be an additional trip at 05:15am from Huddersfield – Halifax (Monday – Friday), at 05:10am from Halifax – Huddersfield (Monday – Friday), and 06:07am from Outlane – Huddersfield (Sat). 539 - There will be timetable changes to the majority of journeys. 549 - The saturday evening 23:05pm journey from Halifax will now run at 23:15pm. 560 - This service is the re-numbered 586. There will be changes to the timetable, and evening services will now be operated by First. 571 - There will be some timetable changes. Evening services between Halifax and Whinney Hill will now be operated by First. 579 - There will be a revised timetable with evening trips now run by First. 586 - This service is the re-numbered 560. There will be changes to the timetable, and evening services will now be operated by First. 587 - New service between Rochdale and Halifax, taking over from Yorkshire Tiger service X58. This will follow the same route but with a revised timetable. 630 - There will be changes to the early evening timetable. 680 - There will be timetable changes to the majority of journeys. www.firstgroup.com/halifax-calder-valley-huddersfield/news-and-service-updates/planned-changes/service-changes-mondaywww.firstgroup.com/halifax-calder-valley-huddersfield/news-and-service-updates/coronavirus-covid19-service-informationwww.firstgroup.com/bradford/news-and-service-updates/planned-changes/service-changes-monday-30th-august
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 19, 2020 18:11:27 GMT 1
Of course those minor changes to the timetable are presumably compared to the current Covid timetable, and may in fact just be reverting to the previous permanent timetable or may be something different again.
One change that is a change is the withdrawal of the 571 between Stoney Lane and Bradford during evenings
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Aug 19, 2020 18:53:37 GMT 1
Re 571 Good grief! Didn't see that coming. Although partly covered by other routes, which is why usage is low evening/Sunday, it does provide useful, fast, direct links
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 19, 2020 19:43:55 GMT 1
Re 571 Good grief! Didn't see that coming. Although covered by other routes, which is why usage is low evening/Sunday, it does provide useful, fast, direct links Hipperholme to Shelf isn’t covered by other routes, and Lightcliffe to Hipperholme will now be unserved on an evening as the 255 doesn’t run at that time either.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Aug 20, 2020 8:34:51 GMT 1
Re 571 Good grief! Didn't see that coming. Although covered by other routes, which is why usage is low evening/Sunday, it does provide useful, fast, direct links Hipperholme to Shelf isn’t covered by other routes, and Lightcliffe to Hipperholme will now be unserved on an evening as the 255 doesn’t run at that time either. Sorry I meant at the Bradford end
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