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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 4, 2020 14:02:39 GMT 1
There will be duplicates in Huddersfield as well, although those aren't shown on First's website, they are on Metro's
Route X63 for All Saints Catholic College/Appleton Academy/Dixons City Academy pupils. Depart 0720 Bradford to Huddersfield 0805 Depart 0730 Bradford to Huddersfield 0815 Depart 0735 Bradford to Huddersfield 0820 Depart 0810 Huddersfield to Bradley Bar 0820 Depart 0820 Huddersfield to Bradley Bar 0830 Depart 1500 Huddersfield to Bradford 1545 Depart 1510 Huddersfield to Bradford 1555 Depart 1523 Bradley Bar to Huddersfield 1537 Depart 1535 Bradley Bar to Huddersfield 1549
From September there will be duplicate buses on route 503. Halifax depart 0730 to Elland Southgate 0745 Halifax depart 0740 to Elland Southgate 0755 Halifax depart 0750 to Elland Southgate 0805 Halifax depart 0805 to Elland Southgate 0820 Halifax depart 0815 to Elland Southgate 0830 Elland Southgate depart 1517 to Halifax 1536 Elland Southgate depart 1527 to Halifax 1546
Duplicate buses on the public network from September 2020: Route 186 Depart Marsden 08:02, arrive Huddersfield 08:45.
Route 314 - duplicate buses Depart Holme 07:14, arrive New Mill Road Heys Road 07:28. Depart Holme 07:45, arrive New Mill Road Heys Road 07:59. Depart New Mill Road Rosegarth Avenue 16:05, arrive Holme 16:25.
Route 316 - duplicate buses Depart Parkhead 08:10, arrive New Mill Road Heys Road 0819 Depart New Mill Road Rosegarth Avenue 15:50, arrive Parkhead 16:03.
Route 328. Depart Huddersfield 07:52, arrive Balmoral Avenue 08:06. Depart Balmoral Avenue 15:06, arrive Huddersfield 15:21.
Route 370 duplicate buses Depart 0803 Huddersfield to Salendine Nook 0815 Depart 0810 Huddersfield to Salendine Nook 0822 Depart 0816 Huddersfield to Salendine Nook 0828 Depart 0825 Huddersfield to Salendine Nook 0837 Depart 0825 Huddersfield to Salendine Nook 0837
Route 371 duplicate buses Depart 1520 Salendine Nook to Huddersfield 1533 Depart 1525 Salendine Nook to Huddersfield 1538 Depart 1530 Salendine Nook to Huddersfield 1543
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Post by steviewevie on Sept 5, 2020 8:38:40 GMT 1
I wish they wouldn't put things like 1605 pm.
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Post by kommie123 on Sept 8, 2020 7:17:49 GMT 1
Arriva seem to be pushing the 164. Had a flyer yesterday. Everytime I have seen it, it's been empty.
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Post by selbybus on Sept 8, 2020 12:43:29 GMT 1
Arriva seem to be pushing the 164. Had a flyer yesterday. Everytime I have seen it, it's been empty. The 402/3 was always empty, a dying route so god only knows why Arriva think by changing the number it’ll be any better.
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Post by jdodger08 on Sept 8, 2020 14:02:19 GMT 1
Arriva seem to be pushing the 164. Had a flyer yesterday. Everytime I have seen it, it's been empty. The 402/3 was always empty, a dying route so god only knows why Arriva think by changing the number it’ll be any better. They should improve the consistency of the route in Garforth, some journeys operate Wakefield Road and the other via Lidgett Lane. Average Joe and Jane public will be confused because they won't know which route the bus will take. In my opinion all journeys should use Lidgett Lane and Garforth only journeys should terminate either at the 19/A terminus in East Garforth or use the round about at Aberford Road/Isabella Road, with the last stop being at the Aagrah.
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Post by twy7 on Sept 8, 2020 14:02:52 GMT 1
Arriva seem to be pushing the 164. Had a flyer yesterday. Everytime I have seen it, it's been empty. The 402/3 was always empty, a dying route so god only knows why Arriva think by changing the number it’ll be any better. Theyve done more than that because they have made the bit with not many passengers every two hours and made the bit with more passengers every half an hour and they are sending some to sherburn business park now. I get what you mean about the 403 was dying route but at least arriva are trying as they could of just binned it off
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Post by jst on Sept 8, 2020 16:49:09 GMT 1
The 402/3 was always empty, a dying route so god only knows why Arriva think by changing the number it’ll be any better. They should improve the consistency of the route in Garforth, some journeys operate Wakefield Road and the other via Lidgett Lane. Average Joe and Jane public will be confused because they won't know which route the bus will take. In my opinion all journeys should use Lidgett Lane and Garforth only journeys should terminate either at the 19/A terminus in East Garforth or use the round about at Aberford Road/Isabella Road, with the last stop being at the Aagrah. There is very little time at Garforth which probably dictates not running to East Garforth or spinning on the roundabout beyond the Aargrah. The only bonus is as there is such a short pause on Main Street you could stay on board at the terminus and just get off at the other side of the road on what is technically then the inbound journey. I do think this is probably the last roll of the dice for the 402/164 route, Arriva needs to market this route well to take competition off First, especially since the withdrawal of the X26/27 routes.
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Post by jdodger08 on Sept 10, 2020 8:38:24 GMT 1
They should improve the consistency of the route in Garforth, some journeys operate Wakefield Road and the other via Lidgett Lane. Average Joe and Jane public will be confused because they won't know which route the bus will take. In my opinion all journeys should use Lidgett Lane and Garforth only journeys should terminate either at the 19/A terminus in East Garforth or use the round about at Aberford Road/Isabella Road, with the last stop being at the Aagrah. There is very little time at Garforth which probably dictates not running to East Garforth or spinning on the roundabout beyond the Aargrah. The only bonus is as there is such a short pause on Main Street you could stay on board at the terminus and just get off at the other side of the road on what is technically then the inbound journey. I do think this is probably the last roll of the dice for the 402/164 route, Arriva needs to market this route well to take competition off First, especially since the withdrawal of the X26/27 routes. They have 16 minutes for layover in Leeds Bus Station so they do have some extra time to play with.
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Post by kommie123 on Sept 10, 2020 8:44:40 GMT 1
I notice that towards Garforth in Halton, it's a nice frequency of every 10 minutes between the 163, 164 and 19a.
Howeber,thd 164 is still missing from most livd maps (Google etc). Google still has the 8 circular.
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Post by stevieinselby on Sept 10, 2020 17:44:57 GMT 1
I notice that towards Garforth in Halton, it's a nice frequency of every 10 minutes between the 163, 164 and 19a. Howeber,thd 164 is still missing from most livd maps (Google etc). Google still has the 8 circular. Yes, along with screwing up their website and app, Arriva also seem to have screwed up their timetable changes on OpenData, with some new timetables not available.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Sept 11, 2020 9:13:20 GMT 1
I notice that towards Garforth in Halton, it's a nice frequency of every 10 minutes between the 163, 164 and 19a. Howeber,thd 164 is still missing from most livd maps (Google etc). Google still has the 8 circular. Yes, along with screwing up their website and app, Arriva also seem to have screwed up their timetable changes on OpenData, with some new timetables not available. I doubt it has anything to do with OpenData which doesn't formally come in until the end of the year, many operators had only just started setting up the systems when COVID kicked in (though you assume larger operators like Arriva were at the forefront and ready at the start) so it is unlikely that any 3rd parties are actually relying on such data streams yet as many operators aren't set up on it. Google has historically relied on the Traveline database which has struggled to keep up during the COVID emergency registration measures as the reduced notice (recently extended to 72-hours) is too short for the data turnround times at Traveline (normally 2-weeks to ensure you get in the weekly data upload though possibly they have adjusted when these uploads occur to reduce that lag) and that is reliant on local council offices entering the data to the Traveline system which adds an extra delay as much of this will have to manual, probably even where normally the operator supplies Electronic Registration Data, so increasing the workload. You assume as a more strategic and permanent change these may not have gone through the 72-hour emergency system but were submitted as a 'normal' registration which follows a different registration process and you wonder if this different source has meant it got forgotten and missed the Traveline data stream which is why it is missing. With the current system there are multiple 'friction points' where data is transferred between organisations & teams where delay & confusion can be imported, under normal circumstances these can be managed by having agreed procedures but during periods of disruption or emergency measures these fixed procedures can struggle to adapt without errors or delays. Hopefully when OpenData is finally completely rolled out and active it can smooth many of these issues as it will substantially reduce the number of these 'friction points' between the Operator & the 3rd party data provider (such as Google) however it will still rely on those 3rd parties knowing changes have occurred and updating accordingly and how that works is unclear to me as operators won't know who the 3rd party users are (you hope it is some form of automatic notification but how that would cope with the volume of changes across the country would be complex for nationwide coverage).
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Post by deerfold on Sept 15, 2020 22:37:08 GMT 1
Metro have today added details of changes in Keighley to the summary of changes.
It's still not right...
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 15, 2020 22:44:32 GMT 1
Any change that is reverting from a Covid timetable to a normal timetable shouldn’t be included, no other operator’s services are and these changes come under the ‘bus alerts’ temporary changes area. Only permanent changes should be included
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Post by deerfold on Sept 15, 2020 23:55:52 GMT 1
Any change that is reverting from a Covid timetable to a normal timetable shouldn’t be included, no other operator’s services are and these changes come under the ‘bus alerts’ temporary changes area. Only permanent changes should be included That sounds like a recipe for confusion. If a service change is happening that weekend, surely it should be in the list? Presumably if it's returning to a pre-Covid timetable that's a 'permanent' change. Aren't some of the Arriva changes back to pre-Covid timetables? Not all the Keighley changes are to exactly pre-Covid timetables. Should these be included?
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Post by stephen01 on Sept 16, 2020 6:20:13 GMT 1
Any change that is reverting from a Covid timetable to a normal timetable shouldn’t be included, no other operator’s services are and these changes come under the ‘bus alerts’ temporary changes area. Only permanent changes should be included That sounds like a recipe for confusion. If a service change is happening that weekend, surely it should be in the list? Presumably if it's returning to a pre-Covid timetable that's a 'permanent' change. Aren't some of the Arriva changes back to pre-Covid timetables? Not all the Keighley changes are to exactly pre-Covid timetables. Should these be included? Arriva went back to pre-covid but several have had timetable changes but not all routes are back to pre-covid as there's no N9 or N10 or Friday/Saturday late night 202/203 as yet due to no night time activity at present the same for Transdev Harrogate & Keigley. Transdev Keighley's changes can be included as they are timetable changes and route changes for some
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Post by stephen01 on Sept 16, 2020 13:50:36 GMT 1
Starting Monday 21 September 2020 Arriva are running a School Service (WF1) from Wakefield Bus Station to Wakefield College Castleford Campus leaving Wakefield Bus Station at 08:05 from Stand 13 arriving at the campus for 08:35 with the evening return departing the Campus at 17:10 and arriving in Wakefield for 17:38. This must be temporary whilst there's no X32 running at present.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 13:55:14 GMT 1
Starting Monday 21 September 2020 Arriva are running a School Service (WF1) from Wakefield Bus Station to Wakefield College Castleford Campus leaving Wakefield Bus Station at 08:05 from Stand 13 arriving at the campus for 08:35 with the evening return departing the Campus at 17:10 and arriving in Wakefield for 17:38. This must be temporary whilst there's no X32 running at present. Lot of people asking for it, I've seen on the Facebook page.
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Post by stephen01 on Sept 16, 2020 15:34:22 GMT 1
Starting Monday 21 September 2020 Arriva are running a School Service (WF1) from Wakefield Bus Station to Wakefield College Castleford Campus leaving Wakefield Bus Station at 08:05 from Stand 13 arriving at the campus for 08:35 with the evening return departing the Campus at 17:10 and arriving in Wakefield for 17:38. This must be temporary whilst there's no X32 running at present. Lot of people asking for it, I've seen on the Facebook page. the majority i've seen mentioned lately is for Hemsworth area or from Wakefield Bus Station to St Thomas A Beckett which usually is a 446 trip that runs there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 15:41:17 GMT 1
Lot of people asking for it, I've seen on the Facebook page. the majority i've seen mentioned lately is for Hemsworth area or from Wakefield Bus Station to St Thomas A Beckett which usually is a 446 trip that runs there. Also I've seen some for the 196 as well I think. Crofton Academy to Fitzwilliam or something
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Post by dlspotter on Sept 16, 2020 20:08:33 GMT 1
Starting Monday 21 September 2020 Arriva are running a School Service (WF1) from Wakefield Bus Station to Wakefield College Castleford Campus leaving Wakefield Bus Station at 08:05 from Stand 13 arriving at the campus for 08:35 with the evening return departing the Campus at 17:10 and arriving in Wakefield for 17:38. This must be temporary whilst there's no X32 running at present. I think this may be the final nail in the X32s coffin, can't see it running again now
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Post by stephen01 on Sept 16, 2020 20:21:54 GMT 1
Starting Monday 21 September 2020 Arriva are running a School Service (WF1) from Wakefield Bus Station to Wakefield College Castleford Campus leaving Wakefield Bus Station at 08:05 from Stand 13 arriving at the campus for 08:35 with the evening return departing the Campus at 17:10 and arriving in Wakefield for 17:38. This must be temporary whilst there's no X32 running at present. I think this may be the final nail in the X32s coffin, can't see it running again now I can see it returning when shops increase
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 20:26:38 GMT 1
I think this may be the final nail in the X32s coffin, can't see it running again now I can see it returning when shops increase October Half Term? It will come back before Christmas I am thinking
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 18, 2020 18:33:57 GMT 1
The duplicate journeys being run by First are changing on Monday
Details are on their website and also in the school section on Metro’s website
Whether this effects the deployment of LeedsCity busss in Halifax and Bradford is currently unknown
It’s times like this it’s a shame First buses don’t track on bustimes.org
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Post by dlspotter on Sept 18, 2020 19:59:49 GMT 1
The duplicate journeys being run by First are changing on Monday Details are on their website and also in the school section on Metro’s website Whether this effects the deployment of LeedsCity busss in Halifax and Bradford is currently unknown It’s times like this it’s a shame First buses don’t track on bustimes.org They almost did, Halifax CV and Hudds have a fleetlist with a 'last tracked' but they were all in March. I think they (bustimes) may be looking for information and eventually working toward doing it.
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Post by 77syk7 on Oct 26, 2020 12:47:52 GMT 1
As somebody who has always been interested in extremes, I was surprised to note that in these latest timetable changes there is a new very late departure from Halifax Bus Station. The 571 from Brighouse to Stoney Lane departs at 2345, arriving at Stoney Lane at 0016 - this must certainly be the last back to the depot! Not too sure how many passengers will be on this trip during these current times?
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