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Post by sharksmith on Jan 25, 2023 21:15:57 GMT 1
Interesting that there is no mention at all of new buses arriving for Flyer soon, most un-Transdev like.
Have plans to introduce electric buses and infrastructure at Idle changed?
I thought the plan was for these to be in operation by 2022.
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Post by deerfold on Jan 25, 2023 21:18:43 GMT 1
Looks like Transdev are predicting a boost in passenger numbers using the flyer buses network to Leeds/Bradford Airport. Or just making sure they get some press so new passengers know about the buses.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 25, 2023 21:40:30 GMT 1
Interesting that there is no mention at all of new buses arriving for Flyer soon, most un-Transdev like. Have plans to introduce electric buses and infrastructure at Idle changed? I thought the plan was for these to be in operation by 2022. I think everything to do with electric buses moves at a very slow pace, with deadlines being missed massively, particularly when public sector funding is involved There is no news on Arriva or First’s electric buses either
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2023 2:42:19 GMT 1
Interesting that there is no mention at all of new buses arriving for Flyer soon, most un-Transdev like. Have plans to introduce electric buses and infrastructure at Idle changed? I thought the plan was for these to be in operation by 2022. I think everything to do with electric buses moves at a very slow pace, with deadlines being missed massively, particularly when public sector funding is involved There is no news on Arriva or First’s electric buses either For the First order, the fleet numbers have already appeared (63569-63600) & mentioned on other forums they are due around Autumn time, the reason it being so late in the year is because originally they was going to the Arrival vehicles but are now Wright Hydroliners. I Wonder if Transdev are holding off for a few more months before making an order, with both the new ADL & Yutong deckers due this year so they can try them out & order from the same manufacture for the full order.
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Post by Burnside on Jan 26, 2023 6:07:01 GMT 1
Doubt it has anything to do with new deckers, as the money for Transdev vehicles was for single deckers.
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Post by 1602 on Jan 26, 2023 9:56:23 GMT 1
Also isn't the airport against the use of double decker's?
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Post by mattb7tl on Jan 26, 2023 11:25:40 GMT 1
Also isn't the airport against the use of double decker's? I believe the tunnel is too small to fit deckers. Besides the flyer route’s don’t get too busy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2023 14:43:21 GMT 1
Doubt it has anything to do with new deckers, as the money for Transdev vehicles was for single deckers. Also isn't the airport against the use of double decker's? Harrogates Route 36 is due to go electric, so it's possible they are still to decide on a decker vehicle for that & use the same manufacture for the full electric fleet order across all their West & North Yorkshire ops. Whilst passenger numbers don't warrant deckers i'm not sure where people got the idea they don't fit when Tiger used to have a peak time DD booked journey on the 757,plus Geminis wasn't completely unheard of during the later years of First operating it
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Post by johndc1984 on Jan 26, 2023 21:06:46 GMT 1
Also isn't the airport against the use of double decker's? I believe the tunnel is too small to fit deckers. Besides the flyer route’s don’t get too busy. I believe the tunnel under the runway on Victoria Ave is an unmarked height so will be a minimum height of 16'6” (5.03m) which will allow a double decker to pass under.
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Post by joseph on Jan 29, 2023 13:52:42 GMT 1
I believe the tunnel is too small to fit deckers. Besides the flyer route’s don’t get too busy. I believe the tunnel under the runway on Victoria Ave is an unmarked height so will be a minimum height of 16'6” (5.03m) which will allow a double decker to pass under. Can defo confirm it's more than high enough to fit a decker as tall HGVs regularly pass under it, can you just imagine having to close and repair an entire runway due to a bridge strike, ey up boss, we owe the airport a new runway lol.
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Post by rossbailey on Jan 29, 2023 15:58:42 GMT 1
First use to use deckers when they ran the 647/747 Bradford and 757 to Leeds.
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Post by mark51953 on Jan 31, 2023 8:46:53 GMT 1
Also isn't the airport against the use of double decker's? I believe the tunnel is too small to fit deckers. Besides the flyer route’s don’t get too busy. I've been under there with a Arriva Selby 1500 on rail replacement so deckers can get under
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Post by lucyp on Jan 31, 2023 15:47:43 GMT 1
I thought that it had leaked out on here that there was a cost-cutting exercise at Transdev and no new buses were permitted, other than the ones already ordered. I doubt the order for new buses for the 36 has yet been placed, so if someone is suggesting that those buses would cascade to the airport routes, then it is far too early.
Which of the routes needs a double decker anyway? None of them are really true airport buses like the you find in the rest of the UK or the world. They are just slow, local, and except for the A1, infrequent buses, that happen to go to the airport.
How many people use them to go to the airport, and it's hardly the busiest airport anyway, especially outside holiday season. How many people are going to go on a family holiday to Spain from Bradford, using the bus to the airport, which takes nearly 50 minutes and only goes once per hour.
The Harrogate service is always empty. Prior to the temporary Government subsidised fares, it was £5 single to the airport. So for a family, it is hardly any more in a taxi, and that is door to door, and goes when you want, not once an hour.
The A1 to and from Leeds might justify a double decker at peak times, on the Horsforth to Leeds section, but there are plenty of other buses and the train, so it's unlikely.
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Post by deerfold on Jan 31, 2023 16:13:34 GMT 1
How many people use them to go to the airport, and it's hardly the busiest airport anyway, especially outside holiday season. How many people are going to go on a family holiday to Spain from Bradford, using the bus to the airport, which takes nearly 50 minutes and only goes once per hour. If you're going from Bradford there's two buses an hour on the A2 and A3. If you've 2 adults and 2 children it'll cost you a maximum of £14.20 from anywhere in West Yorkshire, including connections if you need them. If you're on a budget, that can be a lot less than a taxi. If you don't need a connection it'd be £9 on any route (£15 return) - can you get a taxi from Harrogate for that? I'm not sure what you're suggesting? Not running these services? Within West Yorkshire I often see healthy loadings on these buses. I'm likely to be using the A2 on Saturday, so I'm glad it's still running. It's come in useful from the Airport then only time I used LBA this year.
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Post by lucyp on Jan 31, 2023 17:11:59 GMT 1
On a budget, but going abroad on a family holiday? Saving £15 over a taxi fare, but having to shepherd your children and luggage in the rain, from your house to the bus stop? You don't have children do you!
Is there anywhere more cold and windy to wait for a bus than LBA? And it's a trek across the car-park. The taxi office and taxis are right outside the terminal, or you take the free shuttle bus to your car, and leave when you want to, and don't have to stand in the freezing cold for an hour with your children.
And what do you do when you have a late flight? The buses don't run late.
They are poorly used services to the airport. That's why the car-parks are always full, plus the independent car-park operators off-site and why the taxi queue is long, even though the taxis are expensive.
The bus is too slow, too infrequent, inconvenient and except with the present subsidy doesn't save enough.
My point is, it doesn't need a bigger bus or a better bus
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Post by deerfold on Jan 31, 2023 17:21:28 GMT 1
On a budget, but going abroad on a family holiday? Saving £15 over a taxi fare, but having to shepherd your children and luggage in the rain, from your house to the bus stop? You don't have children do you! Is there anywhere more cold and windy to wait for a bus than LBA? And it's a trek across the car-park. The taxi office and taxis are right outside the terminal, or you take the free shuttle bus to your car, and leave when you want to, and don't have to stand in the freezing cold for an hour with your children. And what do you do when you have a late flight? The buses don't run late. They are poorly used services to the airport. That's why the car-parks are always full, plus the independent car-park operators off-site and why the taxi queue is long, even though the taxis are expensive. The bus is too slow, too infrequent, inconvenient and except with the present subsidy doesn't save enough. My point is, it doesn't need a bigger bus or a better bus Plenty of people go on holiday on a budget. You'll see Jet2 do some good value holidays - a taxi fare from Harrogate's going to make quite a dent in a bargain holiday fund. LBA isn't the ideal airport, but you don't have to go out to the stop until a couple of minutes before it's due. Why would you have to stand outside for an hour, even in the worst case scenario where you've just missed one? What happens if you've a really late flight? You'll have to do something other than get the bus, yes - it won't suit every circumstance. But if you're going to or from Bradford or Leeds the buses start at 0430 and finish after midnight. Yes, from Harrogate they only run 16 hours a day. You know no-one's forcing you to catch it? Your assessment of the cost/benefits won't be the same as everyone's. I note you didn't say how much you could get a taxi from Harrogate for. All the fares I quoted are available all the time, not just as a short-term offer - at the moment you can pay even less than I quoted if you're just getting the Flyer. Do you always think the worst of Transdev services?
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Post by chas on Jan 31, 2023 17:46:48 GMT 1
On a budget, but going abroad on a family holiday? Saving £15 over a taxi fare, but having to shepherd your children and luggage in the rain, from your house to the bus stop? You don't have children do you! Is there anywhere more cold and windy to wait for a bus than LBA? And it's a trek across the car-park. The taxi office and taxis are right outside the terminal, or you take the free shuttle bus to your car, and leave when you want to, and don't have to stand in the freezing cold for an hour with your children. And what do you do when you have a late flight? The buses don't run late. They are poorly used services to the airport. That's why the car-parks are always full, plus the independent car-park operators off-site and why the taxi queue is long, even though the taxis are expensive. The bus is too slow, too infrequent, inconvenient and except with the present subsidy doesn't save enough. My point is, it doesn't need a bigger bus or a better bus Plenty of people go on holiday on a budget. You'll see Jet2 do some good value holidays - a taxi fare from Harrogate's going to make quite a dent in a bargain holiday fund. LBA isn't the ideal airport, but you don't have to go out to the stop until a couple of minutes before it's due. Why would you have to stand outside for an hour, even in the worst case scenario where you've just missed one? What happens if you've a really late flight? You'll have to do something other than get the bus, yes - it won't suit every circumstance. But if you're going to or from Bradford or Leeds the buses start at 0430 and finish after midnight. Yes, from Harrogate they only run 16 hours a day. You know no-one's forcing you to catch it? Your assessment of the cost/benefits won't be the same as everyone's. I note you didn't say how much you could get a taxi from Harrogate for. All the fares I quoted are available all the time, not just as a short-term offer - at the moment you can pay even less than I quoted if you're just getting the Flyer. Do you always think the worst of Transdev services? Taxi fare from Harrogate to the airport last year was £38 in advance, £43 on the day. (I booked to taxi going but forgot to book the return!)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2023 18:30:25 GMT 1
I thought that it had leaked out on here that there was a cost-cutting exercise at Transdev and no new buses were permitted, other than the ones already ordered. I doubt the order for new buses for the 36 has yet been placed, so if someone is suggesting that those buses would cascade to the airport routes, then it is far too early. Which of the routes needs a double decker anyway? None of them are really true airport buses like the you find in the rest of the UK or the world. They are just slow, local, and except for the A1, infrequent buses, that happen to go to the airport. How many people use them to go to the airport, and it's hardly the busiest airport anyway, especially outside holiday season. How many people are going to go on a family holiday to Spain from Bradford, using the bus to the airport, which takes nearly 50 minutes and only goes once per hour. The Harrogate service is always empty. Prior to the temporary Government subsidised fares, it was £5 single to the airport. So for a family, it is hardly any more in a taxi, and that is door to door, and goes when you want, not once an hour. The A1 to and from Leeds might justify a double decker at peak times, on the Horsforth to Leeds section, but there are plenty of other buses and the train, so it's unlikely. Nobody is suggesting the Gemini 3's from route 36 are to move onto the the Flyer services. When the West Yorkshire Zebra grant was approved, the map showing the routes that would receive then new electrics included the Airport services (i've attached the map), I made the suggestion that the reason why no vehicle types have been mentioned yet is they are still deciding on what Decker's to order for route 36 as they are planning a combined Single & Double decker order from the same manufacture. Attachments:
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Post by WYBS on Jan 31, 2023 19:31:10 GMT 1
It's £35 to the airport from Harrogate: bluelinetaxis.co.uk/fare-calculator/It's normally £5 each to the airport and £2.50 for kids. It's just laughable to claim that £20 more is going to matter, compared with the price of a 2 week family holiday to Majorca in August. (From about £3,000 in the cheapest one bedroom, 2 star self-catering apartment in an less popular resort.) It's worth every penny of that difference to have a door to door service when people have luggage and children. The problem with this site is it is full of single male bus spotters, who plan a special day out on the bus, in their anorak, on a Sunday, with nowhere in particular to be at a particular time, or for a particular purpose. They have no idea about family life and they worship at the shrine of Transdev. Transdev can do no wrong, whereas any other bus is ok, but just not quite Transdev to them. I don't think there's any need for that. I suggest that you edit your post, or leave the forum.
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Post by joseph on Jan 31, 2023 19:35:34 GMT 1
It's £35 to the airport from Harrogate: bluelinetaxis.co.uk/fare-calculator/It's normally £5 each to the airport and £2.50 for kids. It's just laughable to claim that £20 more is going to matter, compared with the price of a 2 week family holiday to Majorca in August. (From about £3,000 in the cheapest one bedroom, 2 star self-catering apartment in an less popular resort.) It's worth every penny of that difference to have a door to door service when people have luggage and children. The problem with this site is it is full of single male bus spotters, who plan a special day out on the bus, in their anorak, on a Sunday, with nowhere in particular to be at a particular time, or for a particular purpose. They have no idea about family life and they worship at the shrine of Transdev. Transdev can do no wrong, whereas any other bus is ok, but just not quite Transdev to them. What in the hells name did Alex do to you lol, on a side note, the Airport bus does seem very popular with Airport workers and European travellers to and from Leeds and it's suburbs, I know of one Ryanair worker living in Beeston who catches the A1 in Leeds and I've seen several board along various points on route so although I've personally seen mixed loadings in the past, it defo doesn't qualify as underused and indeed could do with a decker on some really busy workings.
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Post by chas on Jan 31, 2023 19:55:50 GMT 1
It's £35 to the airport from Harrogate: bluelinetaxis.co.uk/fare-calculator/It's normally £5 each to the airport and £2.50 for kids. It's just laughable to claim that £20 more is going to matter, compared with the price of a 2 week family holiday to Majorca in August. (From about £3,000 in the cheapest one bedroom, 2 star self-catering apartment in an less popular resort.) It's worth every penny of that difference to have a door to door service when people have luggage and children. The problem with this site is it is full of single male bus spotters, who plan a special day out on the bus, in their anorak, on a Sunday, with nowhere in particular to be at a particular time, or for a particular purpose. They have no idea about family life and they worship at the shrine of Transdev. Transdev can do no wrong, whereas any other bus is ok, but just not quite Transdev to them. I’m a Connexions supporter!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2023 20:05:32 GMT 1
The problem with this site is it is full of single male bus spotters, who plan a special day out on the bus, in their anorak, on a Sunday, with nowhere in particular to be at a particular time, or for a particular purpose. They have no idea about family life and they worship at the shrine of Transdev. Transdev can do no wrong, whereas any other bus is ok, but just not quite Transdev to them. I Don't think it's fair to claim everyone here worships Transdev (They are the main reason i ended up getting a car) - I Was just correcting your claim saying we was suggesting route 36 Decker's was going to Flyer, when in fact Flyer is/was due to get it's own electric fleet because of being awarded funding. I Actually think you do have a point, yes alot of families will decide on a cab or use a car park at the Airport but that isn't a unique situation to LBA - Heathrow is the best connected Airport in the UK Public transport wise but still has miles worth of Car Parks for it, but at the same time many families might decide on getting the bus if it works best for them.
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Post by deerfold on Jan 31, 2023 21:12:02 GMT 1
It's £35 to the airport from Harrogate: bluelinetaxis.co.uk/fare-calculator/It's normally £5 each to the airport and £2.50 for kids. It's just laughable to claim that £20 more is going to matter, compared with the price of a 2 week family holiday to Majorca in August. (From about £3,000 in the cheapest one bedroom, 2 star self-catering apartment in an less popular resort.) It's worth every penny of that difference to have a door to door service when people have luggage and children. The problem with this site is it is full of single male bus spotters, who plan a special day out on the bus, in their anorak, on a Sunday, with nowhere in particular to be at a particular time, or for a particular purpose. They have no idea about family life and they worship at the shrine of Transdev. Transdev can do no wrong, whereas any other bus is ok, but just not quite Transdev to them. What do you mean by normally? Do you disbelieve that £15 is the Flyer's standard group return? It's here, it's not a limited time offer: www.transdevbus.co.uk/flyer/weve-got-just-ticket-you. That's instead of £70 in a taxi. I'm not sure what's laughable about suggesting that some families would rather save fifty quid when going on holiday. Again, I'm not suggesting that no-one would choose a taxi. Given how much you seem to think everyone should make the same choices as you, it seems particularly rude to suggest people on the forum are set in their ways. I'm male, but not a bus spotter and have been with my wife happily for nearly 24 years. I've said before that there's good and bad things about Transdev, though they're one of the better operators I've lived on the route of (I'd put them third of ten or so).
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Post by kendall17 on Jan 31, 2023 21:21:48 GMT 1
I think this is quite a good debate about the Flyer series actually being Airport buses, but goes beyond to the level of the attractiveness of LBA.
By the time the majority have got into Leeds & caught the A1 to the airport, you're well on your way to Manchester, comfortable on a train , hopefully with an airport advance single costing £15.
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Post by Username on Jan 31, 2023 21:26:22 GMT 1
Doubt it has anything to do with new deckers, as the money for Transdev vehicles was for single deckers. Deckers for 36 pal, that's being electrified.
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