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Post by Marcus on Apr 6, 2020 17:53:05 GMT 1
Flying Tiger will be no more as of September with Transdev to run services with a new fleet of buses
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Post by SCH117X on Apr 6, 2020 18:44:43 GMT 1
Not sure if the new fleet will exist in September; Alex Hornby has tweeted "Start date is September 2020. Investment in new fleet will follow"
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Post by dlspotter on Apr 6, 2020 21:54:10 GMT 1
Not sure if the new fleet will exist in September; Alex Hornby has tweeted "Start date is September 2020. Investment in new fleet will follow" Possibly using ex-WitchWay/CityZAP fleet? Not sure where they can get a few singles from otherwise, unless they take over the existing Tiger fleet or bring some now-unused buses over that used to be used on the 1 for Blackburn. Presume these will all go from Keighley depot?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 6, 2020 22:01:13 GMT 1
Bear in mind all bus production is currently closed, so it’ll probably be dealer stock maybe initially. Looking at the withdrawn list in the wyis fleet list, there isn’t much available that is half decent to reactivate. 15 year old Scanias from Rosso wouldn’t cut it.
They may be able to loan the current Tiger vehicles if Arriva agreed to it, which they might not.
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Post by Mr D Roebuck-Johnson on Apr 6, 2020 22:13:59 GMT 1
Word on the street is only Transdev put in for this work. Arriva wanted out full stop. The win for Transdev is more about status than anything else. Incidentally Rosso don’t have any 15 year old scanias they were sold during February and collection commenced a few weeks ago.
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Post by SCH117X on Apr 6, 2020 22:45:03 GMT 1
Possibly using ex-WitchWay/CityZAP fleet? Not sure where they can get a few singles from otherwise, unless they take over the existing Tiger fleet or bring some now-unused buses over that used to be used on the 1 for Blackburn. Presume these will all go from Keighley depot? Logically Harrogate could have duties on the 747; YT are running a vehicle empty to Harrogate to form the 0615 departure . Transdev do however like to keep services worked by one depot. If those double deckers do come free as expected theirs always the possibility of them being used on a different service or services releasing single deckers for the LBIA services.
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Post by deerfold on Apr 6, 2020 22:51:45 GMT 1
Possibly using ex-WitchWay/CityZAP fleet? Not sure where they can get a few singles from otherwise, unless they take over the existing Tiger fleet or bring some now-unused buses over that used to be used on the 1 for Blackburn. Presume these will all go from Keighley depot? Logically Harrogate could have duties on the 747; YT are running a vehicle empty to Harrogate to form the 0615 departure . Transdev do however like to keep services worked by one depot. If those double deckers do come free as expected theirs always the possibility of them being used on a different service or services releasing single deckers for the LBIA services. There are 3 different routes, so they could be run by different depots. Is it clear that Harrogate will continue to be served?
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Post by WYBS on Apr 7, 2020 0:03:50 GMT 1
If I recall rightly, the airport are not a fan of deckers, hence why they were rarely ever used with Tiger.
The idea of them using, what are now quite old B7TLs from cityzap is unfathomable.
I wouldn't be suprised if new vehicles were brought in, though saying this will there be any manufacturers open to build them in time?
Looking forward to it anyway, though it will be a shame to see the back of Tiger, despite what some people may think of them.
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Post by stevieinselby on Apr 7, 2020 9:30:15 GMT 1
If I recall rightly, the airport are not a fan of deckers, hence why they were rarely ever used with Tiger. The idea of them using, what are now quite old B7TLs from cityzap is unfathomable. I wouldn't be suprised if new vehicles were brought in, though saying this will there be any manufacturers open to build them in time? Looking forward to it anyway, though it will be a shame to see the back of Tiger, despite what some people may think of them. Using double deckers on a route where a lot of people will have luggage would be a very poor choice. Could the ex-Witch Way buses displace the Versas on the 60, freeing them up for airport runs? It's also entirely possible that some other routes won't fully have recovered by September and may still/permanently be running a reduced service compared with what was on a month ago, meaning that there may be spare capacity elsewhere in the fleet. deerfold, as Harrogate has had a connection to the airport since about 2005, I would be surprised if that was severed, especially as it provides a useful link to Bradford as well.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 7, 2020 9:49:36 GMT 1
You're assuming the new Witch Way/Cityzap buses will be here by then
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Post by gardnern on Apr 8, 2020 13:34:03 GMT 1
If they do use the Versas off the 60, the branding will be easy, just drop the "e".
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Post by js12345678910 on Apr 8, 2020 19:56:23 GMT 1
I strongly suspect it’ll be the Aireline versas however I would imagine it’ll be Harrogate that runs the service...
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 11, 2020 7:09:14 GMT 1
The E400 - MMCs for Witchway had been due in September. Hard to know whether these will still be delivered by then as the ADL factories are currently closed.
Maybe Transdev will lease or even purchase the Versas from Arriva Yorkshire Tiger for route 757, as Transdev have plenty of Versas anyway?
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Post by js12345678910 on Apr 11, 2020 10:37:27 GMT 1
The E400 - MMCs for Witchway had been due in September. Hard to know whether these will still be delivered by then as the ADL factories are currently closed. Maybe Transdev will lease or even purchase the Versas from Arriva Yorkshire Tiger for route 757, as Transdev have plenty of Versas anyway? I’ve heard transdev are getting new buses for the airports however I suppose that could mean just new buses to transdev. Regarding the witchway vehicles, some have already been rebranded, 2 for Harrogate, 3 for coastliner and 3 for pendlewizz, some of ex Red express 3601-3606 are to transfer to Burnley to support the X43 until new vehicles arrive..
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Post by SCH117X on Apr 11, 2020 19:45:28 GMT 1
Maybe Transdev will lease or even purchase the Versas from Arriva Yorkshire Tiger for route 757, as Transdev have plenty of Versas anyway? Surely they are leased by Arriva so it would be a case of subleasing them or Arriva returning them and Transdev taking a new lease out on them.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 12, 2020 14:35:41 GMT 1
Maybe Transdev will lease or even purchase the Versas from Arriva Yorkshire Tiger for route 757, as Transdev have plenty of Versas anyway? Surely they are leased by Arriva so it would be a case of subleasing them or Arriva returning them and Transdev taking a new lease out on them. I didn't know the Flying Tiger vehicles were leased. I don't often get to know which vehicles anywhere are leased. So yes, if interested Transdev would either lease them or purchase them from the leasor.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 15:15:33 GMT 1
If I recall rightly, the airport are not a fan of deckers, hence why they were rarely ever used with Tiger. The idea of them using, what are now quite old B7TLs from cityzap is unfathomable. I wouldn't be suprised if new vehicles were brought in, though saying this will there be any manufacturers open to build them in time? Looking forward to it anyway, though it will be a shame to see the back of Tiger, despite what some people may think of them. Using double deckers on a route where a lot of people will have luggage would be a very poor choice. Could the ex-Witch Way buses displace the Versas on the 60, freeing them up for airport runs? It's also entirely possible that some other routes won't fully have recovered by September and may still/permanently be running a reduced service compared with what was on a month ago, meaning that there may be spare capacity elsewhere in the fleet. deerfold , as Harrogate has had a connection to the airport since about 2005, I would be surprised if that was severed, especially as it provides a useful link to Bradford as well. Strange that you feel double deckers would be unsuitable, several highly successful operations use deckers for the capacity, Lothian Buses various services for instance. So could you share you’re logic on your statement?
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Post by stephen01 on Apr 18, 2020 15:42:51 GMT 1
Using double deckers on a route where a lot of people will have luggage would be a very poor choice. Could the ex-Witch Way buses displace the Versas on the 60, freeing them up for airport runs? It's also entirely possible that some other routes won't fully have recovered by September and may still/permanently be running a reduced service compared with what was on a month ago, meaning that there may be spare capacity elsewhere in the fleet. deerfold , as Harrogate has had a connection to the airport since about 2005, I would be surprised if that was severed, especially as it provides a useful link to Bradford as well. Strange that you feel double deckers would be unsuitable, several highly successful operations use deckers for the capacity, Lothian Buses various services for instance. So could you share you’re logic on your statement? the Airport used to grumble and complain when deckers were used on 757 or 737 (when it was still 747) before the move to Idle. Lothian have had their deckers specially built like that
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 15:55:49 GMT 1
Strange that you feel double deckers would be unsuitable, several highly successful operations use deckers for the capacity, Lothian Buses various services for instance. So could you share you’re logic on your statement? the Airport used to grumble and complain when deckers were used on 757 or 737 (when it was still 747) before the move to Idle. Lothian have had their deckers specially built like that You’re quite right that was due to the fact that the vehicles were not equipped with racks so were unsuitable, however some of the loadings seen in months gone past clearly needed more capacity similarly if you are to attract people out of cars there needs to be step change (no pun intended) customers expect and quite rightly so better quality offerings from transport providers, and they must innovate as Transdev have done to try and grow patronage.
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Post by stevieinselby on Apr 18, 2020 21:12:25 GMT 1
Using double deckers on a route where a lot of people will have luggage would be a very poor choice. Strange that you feel double deckers would be unsuitable, several highly successful operations use deckers for the capacity, Lothian Buses various services for instance. So could you share you’re logic on your statement? People travelling to the airport will probably have luggage – particularly an airport like Leeds-Bradford where there are a high proportion of charter flights, that may be less of an issue at Edinburgh – and if you've got suitcases then lugging them up and down a steep, narrow staircase is not a good idea.
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Post by peteleeds on Apr 19, 2020 8:58:18 GMT 1
Strange that you feel double deckers would be unsuitable, several highly successful operations use deckers for the capacity, Lothian Buses various services for instance. So could you share you’re logic on your statement? People travelling to the airport will probably have luggage – particularly an airport like Leeds-Bradford where there are a high proportion of charter flights, that may be less of an issue at Edinburgh – and if you've got suitcases then lugging them up and down a steep, narrow staircase is not a good idea. Isn't this why tiger increased the frequency on the 757 to every 20 mins on a commercial basis. Be interesting to see what transdev do to improve the services
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Apr 19, 2020 10:18:39 GMT 1
Strange that you feel double deckers would be unsuitable, several highly successful operations use deckers for the capacity, Lothian Buses various services for instance. So could you share you’re logic on your statement? People travelling to the airport will probably have luggage – particularly an airport like Leeds-Bradford where there are a high proportion of charter flights, that may be less of an issue at Edinburgh – and if you've got suitcases then lugging them up and down a steep, narrow staircase is not a good idea. There is an established logic that airport services like the 757 have a higher proportion of passengers with luggage and these passengers do not like leaving their luggage 'unattended' so are likely to stay downstairs to keep an eye on it meaning that using double-deckers can lead to overloading of the lower deck even though there is plenty of space upstairs. I have seen some recent fleets introduce dedicated cctv coverage of the luggage rack feeding through to upper deck tv screens to allow customers to sit upstairs and still keep an eye on their luggage, it remains to be seen if that is sufficient to alleviate customer concerns and allow passengers to spread out onto the upper deck and alleviate pressure on the lower deck. Given the nature of LBIA, as a smaller regional airport, it is likely that the peak flows are predictable (tied to particular times/flights) and discrete so it may make more sense to enhance frequency at those peak times, particularly if those peak times don't line up with the peak flows on the rest of the network that would allow doubling up of resources.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Apr 19, 2020 12:40:44 GMT 1
Bear in mind that the 757 is more a dedicated airport service (though it does carry local passengers) ; whereas the 737 and 747 are part of the local transport network.
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Post by stephen01 on Apr 19, 2020 13:13:04 GMT 1
Just occured that Transdev will be the only operator there solely for the Airport as they already run up there with the 62
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Post by stephen01 on Jul 1, 2020 21:37:41 GMT 1
The route brand name will be Flyer. Announced/revealed on Twitter in last few hours and the colour scheme is so warming and appealing compared to Flying Tigers colour scheme
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