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Post by jackh on Feb 25, 2008 21:39:07 GMT 1
PB1064235/16 M TRAVEL LTD T/A M TRAVEL LTD, 32, EDWARD STREET , NORMANTON, WF6 2QU
Variation Accepted: Operating between Airedale Magnet and Wakefield Bus Station given service number 183 effective from 26-Apr-2008. To amend Route, Start & Finish Point and Timetable.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Feb 26, 2008 1:51:03 GMT 1
88 LEEDS-Pudsey-BRADFORD . new times. obviously the last time change didn't work .
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Feb 26, 2008 1:51:31 GMT 1
88 LEEDS-Pudsey-BRADFORD . new times. obviously the last time change didn't work .
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Feb 26, 2008 1:56:22 GMT 1
M1-M6 moorbus network in Haworth/Keighley area to be simplified and renumbered 915-7
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Post by Craig on Feb 28, 2008 0:38:49 GMT 1
Other bits and bats scheduled for the end of April changes...
As mentioned in a separate post, Arriva are to take over evening/Sunday operation of Stagecoach services 35, 46, 59A, 231, 232 and 262. The 35, 46 and 59A will now only run within West Yorkshire evenings and Sundays with the extensions to Barnsley previously provided by Stagecoach withdrawn.
New First service 530 between Halifax and Calderdale Royal Hospital via Calderdale College, to be run with a low floor bus hourly Monday to Friday daytime. This is a Metro tendered service to be run initially as a year long trial (similar to the recently introduced 629 route in Bradford).
MetroConnect MC4 to be extended to Brighouse Rail Station to link in with the new train service via Dewsbury to Leeds. Also now runs hourly on Saturdays.
Arriva 435 to have a revised route and timetable, and connections at Westgate station will be reinstated. As part of this change it looks like the X41 may be reduced to operate between Wakefield and Leeds only.
As of the start of May service 966 will revert to (almost) its original route (replacing temporary service 969), which in turn will mean the 967 reverts to running half-hourly via Menston St Peters Way. (Why they ever messed with them in the first place is another matter).
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Post by deano on Mar 2, 2008 20:52:14 GMT 1
why dont there put the 502 halifax-keighley service back on is a mistry to me
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Mar 22, 2008 23:32:05 GMT 1
OTHER bits and bats.
many k & d services outside the zone to get new times....'? no. 70 to be partly a demand responsive service.
900 will not run the extension to oxenhope this year.
some alteration to 845\846 624 routes.
times altered on 607 653\654 629 670 .......'?
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Post by nick on Mar 23, 2008 10:20:06 GMT 1
Any service changes in leeds. I think the 28 could do with a change,33/33A could do with a change,possibly a new service i done know
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Post by jml8371 on Mar 23, 2008 12:34:59 GMT 1
Any service changes in leeds. I think the 28 could do with a change,33/33A could do with a change,possibly a new service i done know Virtually nothing changing @ First Leeds, as they are concentrating more on the move to Hunslet Park, which is due 1 week after the change window. |
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Post by jabbott1987 on Mar 23, 2008 19:33:42 GMT 1
PB0000815/8 FIRST WEST YORKSHIRE LTD, CENTRAL SERVICES, KIRKSTALL ROAD, LEEDS, LS3 1LH
Variation Accepted: Operating between Pudsey Bus Station and Crossgates Centre given service number 8 effective from 27-Apr-2008. To amend Timetable.
PB0000815/25 FIRST WEST YORKSHIRE LTD, CENTRAL SERVICES, KIRKSTALL ROAD, LEEDS, LS3 1LH
Variation Accepted: Operating between Bramley and Seacroft given service number 40/49/50/50A effective from 28-Apr-2008. To amend Timetable.
PB0000815/504 FIRST WEST YORKSHIRE LTD, CENTRAL SERVICES, KIRKSTALL ROAD, LEEDS, LS3 1LH
Variation Accepted: Operating between Tinshill,Ireland Wood and East Garforth ,Colton given service number 18/18A effective from 27-Apr-2008. To amend Timetable.
So I wouldn't say there was no service changes @ First Leeds.
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Post by nick on Mar 24, 2008 11:36:22 GMT 1
So where is the major changes happening??
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Post by Craig on Apr 5, 2008 17:34:37 GMT 1
Arriva are striving once again to increase the appeal of public transport:
The 118 is to be withdrawn and replaced by an extended 102.
The 167 will be withdrawn between Castleford and Pontefract.
Rothwell's new-ish frequent service to Leeds is (not too surprisingly) being cut to every 15 mins, extending half-hourly to Wakefield and beyond.
Saturday afternoon frequencies are to be cut on a multitude of routes:
135/136 cut from every 20 mins to 30 mins
156/159 halved from every 10 mins to 20 mins
410 cut from every 20 mins to 30 mins
It looks like the 184-189 group will also be cut
Not a cut, but of note the 117/481/X7/X16 will now follow the 202/203 route through Leeds and no longer serve The Headrow.
In the interests of fair comment, its not all bad news - the 126/127 is increasing to every 20 mins Sunday daytimes.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 5, 2008 21:13:35 GMT 1
Having a reduced frequency on Saturdays, which Arriva have done before really is daft
I know they do it for operational convieniance but there is surely more demand for buses at 1pm Saturdays than at 1pm on a Tuesday
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Post by Craig on Apr 5, 2008 22:16:22 GMT 1
I must admit I was especially surprised to see the 135/136 and 410 being cut - surely Saturday is a busy day on these routes serving Junction 32/Xscape et al.
While I fully understand how deregulation allows bus companies to do as they please, Arriva really are getting beyond a joke with their constant chopping and changing. This time round the cuts are actually quite tame by Arriva standards, but just compare today's network with that of the old WR/YWD network - I just wish Arriva Yorkshire would learn that sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate, instead of the short-sighted way of trying to make each single route achieve the profit margin dictated by HQ. End of rant!
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Post by jackh on Apr 5, 2008 22:46:53 GMT 1
Come to think of it Arriva will be competing against M Travel now on the Pontefract-J32/Xscape-Castleford routes from the end of April as Arriva's 135/6 will be every half hour compared to the every 15 mins of M Travel's 134!
On a lighter note, with the new MD due shortly, things may change for the better if he can do a good enough job of Yorkshire as he will of done at Warrington Borough Transport. However, rumour has it, he will be commuting in from the North West so the pattern of consolidation may continue to loom on us!
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Post by guyarab on Apr 5, 2008 22:49:37 GMT 1
Hey Leeds23 don't stop ranting now, you have my permission to continue - let it rip!
It's about time Arriva took notice of criticism of how thet try and conduct (pun intended if noticed) their business (although I doubt anyone with some standing in that company look on this forum).
If they continue to reduce, they will wither and disappear. Sit up Arriva and try something new and inventive. Don't they have anyone there with marketing skills?
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Post by Craig on Apr 5, 2008 22:59:37 GMT 1
The marketing department managed to get Jonathan Ross to provide a sarcastic commentary about unveiling a new bus live on radio 2. I think that little coup has exhausted them for now.
With regards to Jack's comments, Arriva might as well just let M Travel take over the Castleford operations altogether, as it doesn't appear Arriva are all that interested themselves! I certainly am interested to hear they are getting a new MD because the current one (Phil somebody??) is neither use nor ornament.
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Post by jackh on Apr 5, 2008 23:10:41 GMT 1
Phil Stone, who was the previous incumbant at Arriva Yorkshire was exiled to North West back in July after a shake up of UK Regions management. Since then, the gremlins have taken over. For whom they are, we don't know!
Funnily enough, M Travel is run by a sacked Arriva driver (I think, can't confirm 100%).
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Post by Craig on Apr 5, 2008 23:29:31 GMT 1
So who is managing it now then? Or is that why they are in such disarray, because nobody is in charge!
To think, if M Travel were running around Leeds instead, First would be registering a service 2 minutes in front faster than you could say "monopolised market".
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Post by jackh on Apr 5, 2008 23:33:18 GMT 1
So who is managing it now then? Or is that why they are in such disarray, because nobody is in charge!. I think the senior management team have hold the fort (what is left of it)! |
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Post by nick on Apr 6, 2008 8:13:02 GMT 1
A good change to the Circuit they will be taking in Leeds. At last all the Routes (barring a few) will be now heading in the circular pattern around Leeds and it wont add to any confusion some people might have about them!!
The X16/X7 doesn’t go from the Bus Station at peak times instead goes from City Square (around that area) heads to the Bus Station then turns right at the bus station down crown point road/black bull street right at the traffic lights to head like it is heading back into Leeds before turning left onto meadow lane and then joining the return route!!!
Shame about the 410 but one can only think that the 167/168(although the journey time is alot longer) was eating some of the custom (or the customors have found a better service on the train) on the Leeds-Pontefract but now they have cancelled that part of the journey the custom will be back on the 410. But due to the improved Journey's on the train wouldnt it be best for a new fleet on this route(as i think they are using Stirders). Maybe a low floor bus to appeal to all those Mums Grannys etc who have found a better more comfortable journey on the train!!!!
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Post by jackh on Apr 6, 2008 17:11:31 GMT 1
I good change to the Circuit the routes will be taking in Leeds. What are you trying to say there??? Doesn't make sence what so ever! |
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Post by nick on Apr 6, 2008 19:18:04 GMT 1
Makes sense now!!!!
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Post by angrycommuter on Apr 7, 2008 9:27:39 GMT 1
So now it's Wakefield/Castleford that is to bear the brunt of Arriva's service cutting?! North Kirklees bus services have been decimated since Arriva took over, with far fewer services to far fewer places, but still with the same old uncomfortable buses. The routes that remain are diverted round the houses so a simple 10 mile journey can take anything up to 90 minutes. Prices are also extortionate - we used to have some of the cheapest fares in the country, now they are level, if not more expensive. The high fares makes the day ticket seem a baragin at "only" £3.80. It's now cheaper to get a weekly Countywide bus pass that buy a ticket from Arriva. £18 for 7 days with Metro or £19 for 5 days with Arriva.
Unfortunately where I live there is no competition from the train or another company, so Arriva have a monopoly and seem to do what they want, no matter how it inconveniences people. The public, in public service does not register at Arriva HQ. Bad company, providing a bad service.
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Post by jackh on Apr 7, 2008 11:57:52 GMT 1
Just had a look at the cut back contenders, so it looks like Stringers of Pontefract will have a level playing field with Arriva on the Ferry Fryston routes as their 499 currently runs every 20 minutes using well presented minibuses!
Regarding the 443/444 and its weekday high frequency link between Leeds and Rothwell. I knew that it was something that wasn't going to last forever when they made the changes last summer after the 443/444 no longer served the University after all campus closures in the Wakefield district. So that the increase wasn't a risk as such, Arriva wisely utilised the buses elsewhere!
Another question on the 443/444 leeds23. You say that from Rothwell the 443/444 will only run every 30 minutes towards Hall Green etc during weekdays. If that is the case, then the Saturday service will be more frequent in the Stanley area than compared to the Weekday?
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