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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 11, 2008 18:21:13 GMT 1
The 549 will only run half hourly in Huddersfield so shouldn't be on the Overground map
The 356/7 also only run half hourly each way round so don't really qualify
It might be better for the 306 to change colour though if and when the 549 ever got route branded buses
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Post by jackh on Jan 11, 2008 23:36:57 GMT 1
So with the Stagecoach changes, I wonder if the new ADL E300s will enter service along with the changes?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 12, 2008 23:37:00 GMT 1
The new timetable for the 254/255 is in a special design as if Arriva are pushing this route.
The timetable looks ridiculous though, every 12 mins Leeds to Cleckheaton and then a complete complicated mess, it's hardly an Overground route
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Post by jackh on Jan 13, 2008 10:21:46 GMT 1
I'm sure Arriva would be better pushing Metro to elaborate on the Connecting somewhere branded routes with route map, city centre stopping places like First do with their OverGround routes.
It's not as though Arriva will have to stump for it as Metro absorb the costs of the more information included.
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Post by Craig on Jan 13, 2008 13:19:45 GMT 1
The 202/203 timetable also has an 'Overground style' front cover with maps inside.
Why have Arriva started making some Saturday services on different frequency levels to weekdays. Because not only does the 254/255 get silly south/west of Cleckheaton as mentioned above, on a Saturday its every 15 minutes instead of every 12 which also has the knock on effect of the 255 running at different times to/from Brighouse.
Also the 219/229 and 220/221 are now so fragmented and complicated west of the 'frequent' sections (Leeds to Birstall or Howden Clough respectively). Can't they just leave services alone!
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 13, 2008 17:49:45 GMT 1
The 202/203 timetable also has an 'Overground style' front cover with maps inside. Why have Arriva started making some Saturday services on different frequency levels to weekdays. Because not only does the 254/255 get silly south/west of Cleckheaton as mentioned above, on a Saturday its every 15 minutes instead of every 12 which also has the knock on effect of the 255 running at different times to/from Brighouse. Also the 219/229 and 220/221 are now so fragmented and complicated west of the 'frequent' sections (Leeds to Birstall or Howden Clough respectively). Can't they just leave services alone! They've been doing this for a few years now, services such as the 219/220 groups were every 15 mins M-F, every 20 mins Sats for a while plus stuff like 2 buses an hour to Hudds M-F, only 1 on a Sat etc The problem is that all changes that Arriva make try to develop frequent routes at the same time as reducing the number of buses needed, and it doesn't work, you can't do both at once They should just go back to the service pattern (with the likes of the 217/9/21/9, 218/220, 223/4/5, 251/2) from 4 years ago and start again |
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Post by jackh on Jan 13, 2008 18:53:06 GMT 1
Yeah they put the 220/1, 209/19/29 and 202/3 to every 20 minutes on Saturdays then put them back to every 15.
The 268 as well, thats every 12 mins weekdays and every 15 mins on Saturdays. All it does is confuse the passenger.
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Post by jackh on Jan 13, 2008 19:17:18 GMT 1
Back to the new styling for the Arriva timetables, the 268 has not been given the same treatment. WHY!!!!  It is just the one route and is frequent and an easy timetable to read! |
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Post by deano on Jan 13, 2008 20:48:34 GMT 1
does anybody know what the minor changes to the 619 are?
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Post by jackh on Jan 13, 2008 20:53:26 GMT 1
Journey times might be a few minutes longer generally probably. Also check current 619 table against new one and see what the changes are.
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Post by hfx on Jan 16, 2008 21:23:04 GMT 1
The 549 will only run half hourly in Huddersfield so shouldn't be on the Overground map The 356/7 also only run half hourly each way round so don't really qualify It might be better for the 306 to change colour though if and when the 549 ever got route branded buses I don't think 549 will show as Pink line in Huddersfield. I think services 548/549 should actually change their colour, can't see why a 15/20 minute 306 whould change for a half hourly 549. In Huddersfield service 327 should lose it's blue line since it every 30 minutes now, and this blue colour should have been transfered onto service 358, when the frequency of 327 was last reduced. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 19, 2008 0:06:56 GMT 1
An easy way to see that it is Arriva which are doing the worst service cuts time after time, is to look at this document on Metro's website www.wymetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/7771FC00-35F6-4028-A8C6-B00062C25A62/0/3wkkirk100108310108.pdfLots of roads are no longer going to be served, numerous stops and shelters are now redundant to add to the long list already removed in the area Compare it with the same document in the other districts of West Yorkshire and you can see it is Kirklees that suffers the worst |
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Post by jackh on Jan 19, 2008 0:31:14 GMT 1
Well that particular document you have showed us. The reason for bus stop removals are down to 221 re-routing and withdrawal of 284 service. But still alot of stops!
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Post by Craig on Jan 19, 2008 11:29:53 GMT 1
What does anyone think is in store for the next set of 'changing times' then?
I would guess that the 219/229, 220/221, 254/255 and 281/283 service groups will all become every 30 mins (hourly at peak times). And then all the other services will be reduced to no better than 2-hourly frequencies at off peak times only.
On a more serious note, has anyone noticed that a lot of Arriva's services miss some journeys on schooldays so that the bus can go do a school run. So some routes which might only be hourly then get a 2 hour gap in service and/or short workings.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 19, 2008 13:30:40 GMT 1
Well that particular document you have showed us. The reason for bus stop removals are down to 221 re-routing and withdrawal of 284 service. But still alot of stops! The 284 change is quite major, leaving the main road between Batley and Dewsbury with no service for the first time? The 221 'rerouting' as Arriva are calling it is underestimating what is actually happening. They are withdrawing the entire route from Heckmondwike to Dewsbury and instead are changing it so the 221 just nips across from Heckmondwike to Cleckheaton via the 268 route for no particular reason |
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Post by jackh on Feb 25, 2008 21:58:23 GMT 1
The withdrawal of services 81/81A and 82 in their previous form has caused an uproar with the local Lib Dems in Cookridge area.
In their newspaper they produce from Greg Mulholland's constituency it has brought the subject.
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It is just the one route and is frequent and an easy timetable to read!