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Post by jackh on Dec 13, 2007 21:14:16 GMT 1
First have revised the colours of the following Overground routes: 2 Yellow Line 3/3A Red Line 12 Green Line 13/13A Blue Line The 2/3/3A will become just the Red Line. The 12/13/13A are to become just the Blue Line. They are also (maybe) going to brand buses used on that route for the two routes. An image of what this branding will look like can be found on page 4 of First to Know: www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/yorkhumber/leeds/pdfs/LeedsFTKnowDec07.pdf
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Post by Craig on Dec 13, 2007 22:04:15 GMT 1
That ALX400 certainly looks funky, I wonder how they'll look in reality!
They are also making bold claims about the route now being 100% low floor... are the last of the Scanias about to be retired and if so replaced by what?
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Post by jabbott1987 on Dec 13, 2007 22:11:42 GMT 1
They are going to be replaced by the Volvo B9TL Wright Eclipse Gemini when they arrive, seems a bit funny them having an Volvo B7TL Alexander Alx400 when the Volvo B9TL's are suppose to be on them.
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Post by jackh on Dec 13, 2007 22:15:37 GMT 1
Well the routes will still have the ALX400s allocated to them.
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Post by Craig on Dec 13, 2007 22:15:47 GMT 1
So is the eventual allocation to be 30 B9TL Geminis along with up to 14 ALX400s to make up the numbers? When are the Geminis due though, unless its immediately they really shouldn't yet be advertising it as a fully low floor operation.
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Post by samba on Dec 13, 2007 22:38:27 GMT 1
looks good if the livery is like this!
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Dec 13, 2007 22:51:31 GMT 1
Surely the Scania's are just there for backup and school services. In a normal day there are enough ALX400s and Geminis at Cherry Row to cover the services
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Dec 13, 2007 22:56:19 GMT 1
If they are redoing the Overground map, they may like to reuse the Green and Yellow line colours to replace some of the more dubious colours in use
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Post by jackh on Dec 13, 2007 23:05:21 GMT 1
Like Magenta, It's been over two years since Black Prince takeover and the destination screens have not yet been programmed to show "Magenta Line".
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Post by Craig on Dec 13, 2007 23:12:34 GMT 1
The Scanias are still out and about every day on 2/3/12/13. I don't know what Cherry Row's ALX400 allocation is but they would need 20 or so of them for the 2/3/12/13 (in order for Scanias to not be required) as well as being able to run the 56 and some workings on the 18s and Scott Halls.
I agree with the Overground colours - for me, the worst is the Mauve Line, that just always sounded a little too desperate, and also Light Green always seemed odd when it could have been Lime Line (or now it could be just Green!). Incidentally, has anyone EVER heard a member of the public refer to a route by its colour; I never have!
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Post by Craig on Dec 13, 2007 23:13:52 GMT 1
Nor has the 37 ever displayed Beige Line on the destination (another not so favourable colour choice!) and thats been running since Overground day one.
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Post by jabbott1987 on Dec 13, 2007 23:20:12 GMT 1
Just another point about the picture i think it would look better if they did all the bus and not leave the bottom part.
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Post by Craig on Dec 13, 2007 23:31:55 GMT 1
I think it looks good with the 'First skirt' - keeps the operator identity and relieves the otherwise basic primary colours.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Dec 13, 2007 23:33:07 GMT 1
I agree with the Overground colours - for me, the worst is the Mauve Line, that just always sounded a little too desperate, and also Light Green always seemed odd when it could have been Lime Line (or now it could be just Green!). Incidentally, has anyone EVER heard a member of the public refer to a route by its colour; I never have! I have in Bradford. The fact that their Overground only uses popular colours and was launched with full route branding and reprogrammed destination displays has probably helped First Bradford also continue the practice of their destination displays having a phase that just says 'Orange Line' without the service number shown rather than '636 Orange Line'
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Post by samba on Dec 14, 2007 8:23:07 GMT 1
would be good to see bradfords new B9TLs with route branding orange line or red line in new style when they arrive.
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Post by hfx on Dec 14, 2007 19:03:05 GMT 1
The Red ahould have been dropped and replaced by Yellow, because there is already another Red line - The Halifax Overground 508. I appreciate that the 2 overground networks are totally separate, but why confuse around by keeping 2 Red lines in the same area When the overground concept was launched, First Halifax should have allocated a different colour other than Red. (Or leeds -vice-versa...if they were behind with overground...) Also, The Light Green Line, might as well now become the Green Line. OR either... change the light Green Line to Lime Line and replace others such as magenta/mauve with Green
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Post by MT on Dec 14, 2007 19:57:18 GMT 1
About the repainting, I can see why they would paint ALX400's rather than the new B9TL's. Afterall, they repainted 1997 Volvo Olympians. Maybe First want the new buses to be in their livery, rather than a new livery which may turn out not looking great.
I think the colour lines are useful when you don't know the services very well. for example in the booklets of each route what you can pick up, some are for certain colour routes, and if you know your local routes are say on the green line it can be useful.
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Post by jackh on Dec 14, 2007 23:02:22 GMT 1
The Red ahould have been dropped and replaced by Yellow, because there is already another Red line - The Halifax Overground 508. I appreciate that the 2 overground networks are totally separate, but why confuse around by keeping 2 Red lines in the same area When the overground concept was launched, First Halifax should have allocated a different colour other than Red. (Or leeds -vice-versa...if they were behind with overground...) Also, The Light Green Line, might as well now become the Green Line. OR either... change the light Green Line to Lime Line and replace others such as magenta/mauve with Green I don't think Leeds management would of done that as the 508 is less frequent. Furthermore, they don't stop near each other. In Manchester, they use the same colours more than once.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2007 0:32:41 GMT 1
I don't know how it worked with the branded buses, ... from April 2007, 2 sorry yellow line interworks with blue at Thorpe Lane. LEEDS has far tom many diff colours for am easy to rem network. in the halifax\hudds area nearly ev route is branded but they are not freq In BRADFORD, the idea works well. ALL the freq services are coloured not the 15/20 min ones. ONLY 607 blue is out of pattern every 12 mins . maybe i would have inc 622-626 as this is WYKE-SHIPLEY core every 10
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Post by pub146g on Dec 15, 2007 1:10:08 GMT 1
The sad part about all this is that First Leeds have a pretty poor record of keeping branded buses to the respective routes.
Just today and without particularly looking for them I've seen 56 branded B7TL's on Scott Hall 35/45/47/71, a 2/12 branded B7TL on the 98 and at least one of Kirkstall's 33 branded Royales on Unilink 95.
Bramley's 49 branded Geminis appear more often on the 16 than where they should be even though the running boards for the 49 state (or at least they used to) the vehicle fleet no's that should be rostered.
The only buses that don't seem to stray far are Bramley's 40/50 branded 30945/6/8-51/53 which have to be used on those services owing to them being guide wheel fitted for the York Rd guideway.
Also Kirkstall's Geminis for the 42 are more or less on there every day and it's just ironic these don't carry branding!
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Post by hfx on Dec 15, 2007 1:30:33 GMT 1
The Red ahould have been dropped and replaced by Yellow, because there is already another Red line - The Halifax Overground 508. I appreciate that the 2 overground networks are totally separate, but why confuse around by keeping 2 Red lines in the same area When the overground concept was launched, First Halifax should have allocated a different colour other than Red. (Or leeds -vice-versa...if they were behind with overground...) Also, The Light Green Line, might as well now become the Green Line. OR either... change the light Green Line to Lime Line and replace others such as magenta/mauve with Green I don't think Leeds management would of done that as the 508 is less frequent. Furthermore, they don't stop near each other. In Manchester, they use the same colours more than once. Well they might not use same stops and routes...but it would go confusing for the odd one out... and I know where your coming from with Red being a main colour to use...but Yellow isn't bad colour either...(Leeds will no longer see this (well for now). First Manchester may have more than one same overground route colour, but they do not operate in the same areas. The same can be compared for All overground routes of west yorkshire where they do not operate in same area with exception to 508 and the leeds Red.
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Post by samba on Dec 15, 2007 8:08:52 GMT 1
would be good if bradford get a more updated overground branding as it seems a little lost at the moment with the fleet changes that are happening!
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Post by Craig on Dec 15, 2007 11:37:21 GMT 1
With First's inability to keep branded buses on the right routes, these couple of ALX400s they are doing up will probably end up running around on the 56 all day.
According to the First to Know leaflet mentioned at the start of the topic, the reliability for 2/3/12/13 has improved since they changed the interworking but I can't understand how. Now all 40+ buses on the route have to run a continuous White Rose-Gledhow-Middleton-Roundhay-Middleton trip (total time about 3 hours 20 mins!) - any delay en route would carry over into the next journeys etc, surely it could only make things worse?
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Post by gledhill56 on Dec 20, 2007 15:37:33 GMT 1
According to the First to Know leaflet mentioned at the start of the topic, the reliability for 2/3/12/13 has improved since they changed the interworking but I can't understand how. Now all 40+ buses on the route have to run a continuous White Rose-Gledhow-Middleton-Roundhay-Middleton trip (total time about 3 hours 20 mins!) - any delay en route would carry over into the next journeys etc, surely it could only make things worse? Depends wether they've managed to slip an extra bus into the requirement to address this issue should it occur.
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Post by jackh on Dec 20, 2007 15:57:25 GMT 1
Well each terminus they have a 5-10 minutes standing no doubt so I can't see it been an issue.
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