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Post by jabbott1987 on Nov 21, 2008 19:55:33 GMT 1
It looks as thought Gelards are trying again on the University route again, it starts Monday the 19th January, Monday - Friday Every 20 Mins.
I'm glad they are trying again hope they do well.
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Post by jackh on Nov 21, 2008 20:40:09 GMT 1
They are launching an every 20 minute bus service along a corridor which has buses every couple of minutes during the day. Do they think they're going to do that well? Doubt it! It wouldn't surprise me if they submit a cancellation registration for the Easter Holidays at four weeks notice!
Yes, I can undertand it a little bit more if they didn't bother serving Clarence Dock and terminated in the city centre somewhere so they could possibly provide a more frequent service.
If they want to have a stab at First, try the number 5 route where for most of the route it is the solitary frequent service into Leeds.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Nov 21, 2008 21:13:22 GMT 1
There is a reason why competitors always go on the most frequent routes because that is where the most passengers are
The 5 must only justify a 20 min frequency because there are not many people who use the service
They are going to attract the people who catch the first bus that comes, Geldards bus will be just as attractive as First's buses if the Geldard one comes first (assuming passengers don't have First passes of course)
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Post by angrycommuter on Nov 21, 2008 21:36:15 GMT 1
Black Prince always used to be popular when they ran the every 20 minute 63B from City Square to Boddington Hall. Students just get on the first bus that comes, and every bus up past the universities seems to be full. Admittedly, many will get First Days, but students have money to burn and loads still use cash fares.
Will this service be going from Beckett Park, down to Headingley, then Hyde Park and the Universities, City Square and Clarence Dock?
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Post by jackh on Nov 21, 2008 21:36:22 GMT 1
But for a 20 minute frequency service, the 5 does carry decent loads on journey. Which for the resources Geldards are willing to utilise to operate a competing service. It would make more sense.
You could of used the people get on the first bus that comes to the stop theory to the 752 when it ran part of the 56 route around Headingley & Hyde Park, however, the 752 only got lightloadings with passengers on in their single figures on journeys hence why Geldards didn't stick at it for long.
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Post by jackh on Nov 21, 2008 21:40:50 GMT 1
Black Prince always used to be popular when they ran the every 20 minute 63B from City Square to Boddington Hall. Students just get on the first bus that comes, and every bus up past the universities seems to be full. Admittedly, many will get First Days, but students have money to burn and loads still use cash fares. When the 63B was in operation, didn't the 95 only used to run every 20 minutes as well? But if Black Prince did so well on the service like you suggest, why did they back out and their services mostly centering on Morley? |
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Post by nick on Nov 22, 2008 10:16:45 GMT 1
Which route around town, Train station route or Bus Station route. First have got the Leeds-University's and Leeds/ University's -Campus route well covered with the 95/92 and 28 (which covers the south part). Doubt this will last long,although we may be wrong.
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Post by kendall17 on Nov 22, 2008 16:22:06 GMT 1
Honestly i cant see it working, Geldards keep dipping into the service routes and don't get far. If you look at Godsons, they had a coach fleet and dipped into the service route using their coaches on summer specials funded by metro. Now they have the X16 and from what i hear its very successful, Geldards need to put some thought in and apply for a metro subsidised route if they can get it.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Nov 22, 2008 18:10:14 GMT 1
It may be successful. In Huddersfield Sunny Travel are running an hourly 328 in competition with First's every 10 minutes 328 and the Sunny Travel buses get good loads, and this is even on top of Sunny Travel's predecessors dodgy reputation
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Post by angrycommuter on Nov 24, 2008 9:36:22 GMT 1
Black Prince always used to be popular when they ran the every 20 minute 63B from City Square to Boddington Hall. Students just get on the first bus that comes, and every bus up past the universities seems to be full. Admittedly, many will get First Days, but students have money to burn and loads still use cash fares. When the 63B was in operation, didn't the 95 only used to run every 20 minutes as well? But if Black Prince did so well on the service like you suggest, why did they back out and their services mostly centering on Morley? I used it as a student to get up to Headingley. The 95 was an every 10 minute service, and so was the no.1. The Taylors services also ran at this time. The Black Prince buses were popular, but they struggled with drivers to run the service, with many buses just laying over on Park Row for an hour at a time instead of running the service. I guess this is why they cancelled the service. The 63B used to get far more passengers than the 752. |
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Post by Craig on Dec 19, 2008 19:41:10 GMT 1
The route will be via Eastgate but it won't call at the Bus Station. It will also run via Crown Point Bridge in both directions.
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Post by nick on Jan 11, 2009 15:42:02 GMT 1
Sorry for bringing this topic back up, but do we know what will be allocated to the route. I would imagine the Olympians they have got but what about the lowlanders?
Will it be a mix of Olympians and Lowlanders?
And what about timing. First have the Clarence Dock area well covered, so will Gelard ’s work with First to make a 10 Minute Frequency between Headingley and Clarence Dock, or will they have more or less the same departure time as the 28 service.
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Post by Craig on Jan 11, 2009 15:45:27 GMT 1
From what I've seen the 28B will depart each end of the route at xx00, xx20, xx40. This is more or less the opposite of the current 28/92 departures from each end, so yes it looks like Geldards are being co-operative rather than competitive.
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Post by jackh on Jan 11, 2009 17:24:28 GMT 1
Will it be a mix of Olympians and Lowlanders? Geldards only have the one Lowlander Nick. They do have the two Optare Spectras as well which they recently purchased from Ensign. Yes it would be good if the route could be allocated the low floor deckers. However that all depends on the pool of drivers that will be on the route as I gather that the bus drivers have their own specific allocated bus. |
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Post by SF07 on Jan 13, 2009 20:04:33 GMT 1
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Post by jackh on Jan 13, 2009 20:18:49 GMT 1
And it appears not to serve the Bus Station as well Headingley bound.
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Post by kendall17 on Jan 13, 2009 20:22:19 GMT 1
I can see it doing quite well despite my 1st opinions, if there are no 28/92 depatures at those times though. Spectras are still going round in Ensign livery but would like to see the royales on there. Do Geldards still have that Cadet?
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Post by nick on Jan 13, 2009 20:22:25 GMT 1
Which isnt a loss or win situation. Although you could argue plenty of people get the bus to headingley from the bus station, more get it from Albion Street. Just watch a 1(got to be a bendy bus not a double decker for some strange reason) turn up, people come out of nowhere belive me.
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Post by kendall17 on Jan 13, 2009 20:27:15 GMT 1
Just looking at the timetable, big big mistake not stopping @ eastgate & albion street on the 0820 run from Clarence Dock, missing out on Notre Dame Students who wish to get a connecting bus between the mentioned & their colleges
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Post by jackh on Jan 13, 2009 20:31:57 GMT 1
I can see it doing quite well despite my 1st opinions, if there are no 28/92 depatures at those times though. Spectras are still going round in Ensign livery but would like to see the royales on there. Do Geldards still have that Cadet? The ex Veolia Cadet was just a loan off Arriva Bus & Coach. It wouldn't come as a surprise if Geldards withdraw it by the end of April! If you pay particular attention to the timetable in the afternoons, there is an hour forty minute gap from about half two so buses can go off to do school duties. Which in my book is a pretty big flaw in a service that is trying to leach students onto their buses from First as quite alot of students will have finished their last lectures of the day during that period of no service. I wonder if Geldards actually want their services to become successful or not as to survive in stage carriage work you can't just run services on a 9 'til 5 basis. |
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Post by kendall17 on Jan 13, 2009 20:43:27 GMT 1
Geldards in my book, are still a School Bus Company and always will be despite their to date unsuccessful dabbles in state carriage work. To become a success on stage carriage work surely they have to go for a Metro subsidy which has no other competition on the route and then expanding from there. Surely the management at Geldards recognises the competition on the route, and i'd of thought it'd warn them off it.
Has anyone seen any marketing initiatives for the route? - no harm in sticking a few small notices in bus stops along the route with Metro's permission of course.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 13, 2009 22:42:33 GMT 1
They are probably only going for the people who catch the first bus that comes along rather than making their service more attractive than First's services
If you are waiting at Albion Street at 11am in the rain and the 28B comes along, if you don't have a FirstDay you'll get on the 28B. The fact that there is no service at 3pm is neither here nor there to these passengers.
It's obvious they are running these services without needing extra resources which they would need if there was a service at school times.
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Post by rossbailey on Jan 19, 2009 15:38:39 GMT 1
Has anyone seen which Buses Geldards have allocated to there New 28B Clarence Dock - Leeds - Headingley service which was to commence operation today?
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Post by pub146g on Jan 20, 2009 1:51:15 GMT 1
Has anyone seen which Buses Geldards have allocated to there New 28B Clarence Dock - Leeds - Headingley service which was to commence operation today? I noticed one of their recently acquired Optare Spectras on it heading towards Clarence Dock complete with 1 passenger. |
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Post by kendall17 on Jan 20, 2009 14:13:43 GMT 1
I what i think is a G Reg Decker, in dark blue, this morning, no one was on it!
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