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Post by Penfold on Apr 14, 2024 21:18:08 GMT 1
One thing what is highlighted is that if you live on an Arriva route with a poor frequency you need money for a taxi just in case. I think Arriva need to re-assess if they have enough drivers and cut routes so they have enough in reserve even if that means handing back contracts, and if WYCA can't find an operator then at least Joseph Public know where they stand, rather than left standing about. So if Arriva dont operated it and hand back the contract who is to say the new operator has enough drivers to cover its running schedule? They are all in the same boat. We need more drivers in the industry. Fancy giving it a go or your friends/family, then Im sure bus companies will be over the moon. Penfold
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Post by stantheman on Apr 15, 2024 10:17:17 GMT 1
No matter how many times you tell the public Penfold, it just falls on death ears, I'm sure they would be the first people to complain, if their break got taken away from their workplace or having later shifts! Deaf ears
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Post by joseph on Apr 15, 2024 18:07:08 GMT 1
One thing what is highlighted is that if you live on an Arriva route with a poor frequency you need money for a taxi just in case. I think Arriva need to re-assess if they have enough drivers and cut routes so they have enough in reserve even if that means handing back contracts, and if WYCA can't find an operator then at least Joseph Public know where they stand, rather than left standing about. So if Arriva dont operated it and hand back the contract who is to say the new operator has enough drivers to cover its running schedule? They are all in the same boat. We need more drivers in the industry. Fancy giving it a go or your friends/family, then Im sure bus companies will be over the moon. Penfold And as I've said if WYCA can't find an operator then it's tough, but at least Joseph Public knows exactly where they stand, taxi time or if they want a bus then move home, a lot better than local councillors/WYCA demanding a 2 hourly service be ran which most likely can't be ran due to driver shortages
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Post by rodneytrotter on Apr 15, 2024 18:15:26 GMT 1
Not everyone can afford taxis though, and not everyone can afford to move house either, not to mention numerous factors such as changing schools for kids, or moving away from family and friends ect.
You temporarily cut the more frequent services like Arriva North East are doing until more there are more drivers.
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Post by joseph on Apr 15, 2024 18:26:20 GMT 1
Not everyone can afford taxis though, and not everyone can afford to move house either, not to mention numerous factors such as changing schools for kids, or moving away from family and friends ect. You temporarily cut the more frequent services like Arriva North East are doing until more there are more drivers. Ah, but people really should take into account how frequent they need a bus to be before moving somewhere. You'll never sort the driver shortages, who in their right mind would want to be driving a tin can on wheels through endless roadworks, diversions, traffic jams whilst having spit and bricks thrown at them through chavvy estates. The answer is not many unless desperate for a job.
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Post by rodneytrotter on Apr 15, 2024 18:32:31 GMT 1
Not everyone can afford taxis though, and not everyone can afford to move house either, not to mention numerous factors such as changing schools for kids, or moving away from family and friends ect. You temporarily cut the more frequent services like Arriva North East are doing until more there are more drivers. Ah, but people really should take into account how frequent they need a bus to be before moving somewhere. You'll never sort the driver shortages, who in their right mind would want to be driving a tin can on wheels through endless roadworks, diversions, traffic jams whilst having spit and bricks thrown at them through chavvy estates. The answer is not many unless desperate for a job. But how many people could have predicted covid, how many people could have predicted a lot of bus routes will be cut? Plenty of people had already moved to places before routes got massively cut.
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Post by Penfold on Apr 15, 2024 18:56:18 GMT 1
Ah, but people really should take into account how frequent they need a bus to be before moving somewhere. You'll never sort the driver shortages, who in their right mind would want to be driving a tin can on wheels through endless roadworks, diversions, traffic jams whilst having spit and bricks thrown at them through chavvy estates. The answer is not many unless desperate for a job.But how many people could have predicted covid, how many people could have predicted a lot of bus routes will be cut? Plenty of people had already moved to places before routes got massively cut. So you have just answered one of the questions as to why there is a lack of drivers and last minute service cancellations. It will only get worse too. The police are not interested (nor have the time) in dealing with ASB, having windows put through or yobs running riot through out towns and cities. Penfold
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Post by shelf81 on Apr 15, 2024 19:23:03 GMT 1
Not everyone can afford taxis though, and not everyone can afford to move house either, not to mention numerous factors such as changing schools for kids, or moving away from family and friends ect. You temporarily cut the more frequent services like Arriva North East are doing until more there are more drivers. Ah, but people really should take into account how frequent they need a bus to be before moving somewhere. You'll never sort the driver shortages, who in their right mind would want to be driving a tin can on wheels through endless roadworks, diversions, traffic jams whilst having spit and bricks thrown at them through chavvy estates. The answer is not many unless desperate for a job. You might not have noticed but there's a housing crisis in this country at the moment, so moving to a house next to a high frequency bus route isn't as easy as you seem to think.
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Post by stephen01 on Apr 15, 2024 19:44:15 GMT 1
One thing what is highlighted is that if you live on an Arriva route with a poor frequency you need money for a taxi just in case. I think Arriva need to re-assess if they have enough drivers and cut routes so they have enough in reserve even if that means handing back contracts, and if WYCA can't find an operator then at least Joseph Public know where they stand, rather than left standing about. So if Arriva dont operated it and hand back the contract who is to say the new operator has enough drivers to cover its running schedule? They are all in the same boat. We need more drivers in the industry. Fancy giving it a go or your friends/family, then Im sure bus companies will be over the moon. Penfold I'd love to give it a go in the future but i know it'll be harder for me to pass the tests due to my learning disabilities as one of them would restrict me to solely Automatic vehicles only.
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Post by rodneytrotter on Apr 15, 2024 20:35:00 GMT 1
I'm pretty sure all Arriva buses and training buses are all automatics, think they've been autos for a long time!
Think the last semi auto or manual buses, might have been the ECW bodied Leyland Olympians with the Semi-Auto Gearbox!
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Post by deerfold on Apr 15, 2024 21:00:50 GMT 1
Not everyone can afford taxis though, and not everyone can afford to move house either, not to mention numerous factors such as changing schools for kids, or moving away from family and friends ect. You temporarily cut the more frequent services like Arriva North East are doing until more there are more drivers. Ah, but people really should take into account how frequent they need a bus to be before moving somewhere. You'll never sort the driver shortages, who in their right mind would want to be driving a tin can on wheels through endless roadworks, diversions, traffic jams whilst having spit and bricks thrown at them through chavvy estates. The answer is not many unless desperate for a job. That's not always easy. I wouldn't have predicted Shipley to Guiseley would have gone from 8bph to 1bph between 1990 and 2010 (+1bpd). I deliberately moved to somewhere with 6.5 buses an hour M-F middle of the day and it now has 7 buses an hour at those times, but plenty of nearby places have dropped their frequency significantly.
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Post by arriva1606 on Apr 16, 2024 8:25:23 GMT 1
I'm pretty sure all Arriva buses and training buses are all automatics, think they've been autos for a long time! Think the last semi auto or manual buses, might have been the ECW bodied Leyland Olympians with the Semi-Auto Gearbox! the hybrid Geminis and 14 plate Enviro 200s are sequential
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Post by Penfold on Apr 16, 2024 8:54:19 GMT 1
I'm pretty sure all Arriva buses and training buses are all automatics, think they've been autos for a long time! Think the last semi auto or manual buses, might have been the ECW bodied Leyland Olympians with the Semi-Auto Gearbox! Correct on both counts. Penfold
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Post by mattb7tl on Apr 16, 2024 9:32:05 GMT 1
But how many people could have predicted covid, how many people could have predicted a lot of bus routes will be cut? Plenty of people had already moved to places before routes got massively cut. So you have just answered one of the questions as to why there is a lack of drivers and last minute service cancellations. It will only get worse too. The police are not interested (nor have the time) in dealing with ASB, having windows put through or yobs running riot through out towns and cities. Penfold I think it is at a point where we can't just label it as an industry issue anymore and give companies as much leniency. It seems other companies are close to getting back to pre-pandemic standards. I can't remember the last time my route has had a driver shortage related cancellation, or any route ran by First HD. I do however continue to see mass cancellations on routes ran by Arriva, especially the 229. I don't know what the issue is but they are very clearly behind in returning to pre-pandemic standards.
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Post by rodneytrotter on Apr 16, 2024 9:40:28 GMT 1
Oh I don't know people seem to give Transdev quite a bit of leniency on here.
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Post by deerfold on Apr 16, 2024 9:49:23 GMT 1
Oh I don't know people seem to give Transdev quite a bit of leniency on here. I catch Transdev buses 3 or 4 days a week. I can't remember the last time one didn't run. I'm sure they exist, particularly with Team Pennine (who were very poor when they were taken over) but they're not widespread any more.
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Post by rodneytrotter on Apr 16, 2024 9:56:49 GMT 1
Where I live in Arriva land, Arriva buses always turn up, they might be late, but that's not their fault, as there's roadworks, traffic, especially at Junction 32. Bus breaks down, so they have to take a bus off 156 to run on my route, which makes perfect sense.
We get the odd cancellation, but there is always a reason behind the cancellation
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