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Post by mattb7tl on Mar 13, 2024 18:33:56 GMT 1
Why? She's enacting the things she promised in her manifesto. If people don't like them, they'll vote her out. I'm not sure why that would make her look stupid. Isn't it too late to be doing this sort of thing with the election coming up? This should have been done as soon as she got into office You are aware it is a very long process? This has been in the works for years (Jan 2020) authorities can't just decide to wake up one day and make the buses public. They have to produce a plan, consult the public, and deal with tons of legals.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2024 18:35:52 GMT 1
Isn't it too late to be doing this sort of thing with the election coming up? This should have been done as soon as she got into office You are aware it is a very long process? This has been in the works for years (Jan 2020) authorities can't just decide to wake up one day and make the buses public. They have to produce a plan, consult the public, and deal with tons of legals. and if the next mayor doesn't want franchising?
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Post by mattb7tl on Mar 13, 2024 18:44:52 GMT 1
You are aware it is a very long process? This has been in the works for years (Jan 2020) authorities can't just decide to wake up one day and make the buses public. They have to produce a plan, consult the public, and deal with tons of legals. and if the next mayor doesn't want franchising? Then they won't be very popular!
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Post by shelf81 on Mar 13, 2024 18:54:08 GMT 1
You are aware it is a very long process? This has been in the works for years (Jan 2020) authorities can't just decide to wake up one day and make the buses public. They have to produce a plan, consult the public, and deal with tons of legals. and if the next mayor doesn't want franchising? If the public are as pro-franchising as the current Mayor & others on here think then the chances of a pro-privatisation Mayor getting in would be slim.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2024 18:56:19 GMT 1
A lot of the people i seen on facebook pages ect, hate Brabin just as much as the bus companies, as quite a few of the public just see her as a publicity seeking opportunist. Usually i'm quite left wing, but I won't be voting for Brabin unfortunately.
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Post by sharksmith on Mar 13, 2024 19:07:20 GMT 1
The non public transport users couldn't care less, in fact they would probably be more anti franchising as they would be concerned about paying more taxes for something they will hardly ever use.
Bus users will mainly want franchising as they believe that any change has to be for the better. It isn't so far if you look at the Bee Network socials but it's really too early to tell.
It will be interesting to see just how many responses to the consultation there has been. However many it is it will be a miniscule percentage of the population of West Yorkshire.
The overwhelming favouritism of this small sample of people will be heralded as vindication of the proposals whereas when a union takes staff out on strike on votes with much larger percentages of participation, government will scream that it's not representative.
You can make statistics fit any agenda, what I took from the passenger focus report today was that lots of people were unsatisfied with the state of their bus stops. Whose responsibility is that...?
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Post by mattb7tl on Mar 13, 2024 19:11:04 GMT 1
The non public transport users couldn't care less, in fact they would probably be more anti franchising as they would be concerned about paying more taxes for something they will hardly ever use. Bus users will mainly want franchising as they believe that any change has to be for the better. It isn't so far if you look at the Bee Network socials but it's really too early to tell. It will be interesting to see just how many responses to the consultation there has been. However many it is it will be a miniscule percentage of the population of West Yorkshire. The overwhelming favouritism of this small sample of people will be heralded as vindication of the proposals whereas when a union takes staff out on strike on votes with much larger percentages of participation, government will scream that it's not representative. You can make statistics fit any agenda, what I took from the passenger focus report today was that lots of people were unsatisfied with the state of their bus stops. Whose responsibility is that...? Bee network was really over promised. It is likely our politicians will do the same. Statistically the bee network is better. It offered sensible improvements to services, reliability has somewhat improved, and journeys are cheaper to run.
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Post by deerfold on Mar 13, 2024 19:11:15 GMT 1
You are aware it is a very long process? This has been in the works for years (Jan 2020) authorities can't just decide to wake up one day and make the buses public. They have to produce a plan, consult the public, and deal with tons of legals. and if the next mayor doesn't want franchising? Then they'll stop the process. That's how politics works. The opposition get in, they have different plans. I'm not sure what other answer there could be.
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Post by sharksmith on Mar 13, 2024 19:15:40 GMT 1
and if the next mayor doesn't want franchising?Ā Then they'll stop the process. That's how politics works. The opposition get in, they have different plans. I'm not sure what other answer there could be. Usually it's more common for the new regime to plough on with what has gone before. It's a win win, if the project is then a success they take credit, if it fails they can, and do, blame their predecessors.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2024 19:20:56 GMT 1
You want me to be honest?
I don't think the companies care because they all care about is the shareholders/money, not in their interest to help the public, or look at First with the stupid horrendous timetable situation or Arriva as an example too.
I don't think the councillors or Mayor care as it just comes across as political point scoring over the companies/opposition rather than anything else.
The consultation should have been more, they should have gone out to Libraries, Community Centres, all across the county, not everyone has a access to a computer, a lot of people, especially the elderly, are quite scared of using the internet and not everyone could have attended their events either.
Personally I think the bus companies, Metro, WYCA, Councillors are all as bad as each other and just care about blaming each other for all each other's mistakes, than rather make genuine change.
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Post by shelf81 on Mar 13, 2024 19:21:52 GMT 1
The non public transport users couldn't care less, in fact they would probably be more anti franchising as they would be concerned about paying more taxes for something they will hardly ever use. Bus users will mainly want franchising as they believe that any change has to be for the better. It isn't so far if you look at the Bee Network socials but it's really too early to tell. It will be interesting to see just how many responses to the consultation there has been. However many it is it will be a miniscule percentage of the population of West Yorkshire. The overwhelming favouritism of this small sample of people will be heralded as vindication of the proposals whereas when a union takes staff out on strike on votes with much larger percentages of participation, government will scream that it's not representative. You can make statistics fit any agenda, what I took from the passenger focus report today was that lots of people were unsatisfied with the state of their bus stops. Whose responsibility is that...? Couldn't Public Transport users make the same argument about paying taxes towards pro car policies? Even if some car users are not willing to make the switch, other people switching to improved public transport benefits them with reduced traffic, improved journey times, less road damage, reduced accident risks & easier parking. The Bee Network has certainly been more mixed then what Burnham would of wanted, but even in central Europe it doesn't run 100% well the entire time.
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Post by sharksmith on Mar 13, 2024 19:31:05 GMT 1
The non public transport users couldn't care less, in fact they would probably be more anti franchising as they would be concerned about paying more taxes for something they will hardly ever use. Bus users will mainly want franchising as they believe that any change has to be for the better. It isn't so far if you look at the Bee Network socials but it's really too early to tell. It will be interesting to see just how many responses to the consultation there has been. However many it is it will be a miniscule percentage of the population of West Yorkshire. The overwhelming favouritism of this small sample of people will be heralded as vindication of the proposals whereas when a union takes staff out on strike on votes with much larger percentages of participation, government will scream that it's not representative. You can make statistics fit any agenda, what I took from the passenger focus report today was that lots of people were unsatisfied with the state of their bus stops. Whose responsibility is that...? Couldn't Public Transport users make the same argument about paying taxes towards pro car policies? Even if some car users are not willing to make the switch, other people switching to improved public transport benefits them with reduced traffic, improved journey times, less road damage, reduced accident risks & easier parking. The Bee Network has certainly been more mixed then what Burnham would of wanted, but even in central Europe it doesn't run 100% well the entire time.Ā Ah yes, but there are more votes....err I mean car users than there are public transport users. Car users probably think it's a wonderful idea for other car users to give up their cars but 'I can't because of X, Y or Z' Put any politician in front of a big decision where either car users or bus users will be inconvenienced and watch where their allegiance falls. It's unlikely there would be much fanfare over their decision though
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Post by mattb7tl on Mar 14, 2024 12:24:00 GMT 1
And... It's franchising! With massive massive support from the general public as demonstrated with the documents.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2024 12:52:20 GMT 1
I will give them a chance, this lot better keep their promises and what they say they will do and not let their supporters down.
If I'm wrong, I will hold my hands up and apologise personally to them in a few years time.
We have to see what will happen in May with more bus service improvements
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Post by steve440 on Mar 14, 2024 13:01:57 GMT 1
And... It's franchising! With massive massive support from the general public as demonstrated with the documents. Brilliant news let's just get on with it. Shame we've got to wait 3 years, a lot more damage could be done before then.
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Post by mattb7tl on Mar 14, 2024 13:17:07 GMT 1
And... It's franchising! With massive massive support from the general public as demonstrated with the documents. Brilliant news let's just get on with it. Shame we've got to wait 3 years, a lot more damage could be done before then. I wish! It seems we do everything as slow as humanly possible in this country and that's without operators considering legal actions. I can't imagine first will be going down without a fight with the operation being one of their best performing.
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Post by steve440 on Mar 14, 2024 13:34:57 GMT 1
Brilliant news let's just get on with it. Shame we've got to wait 3 years, a lot more damage could be done before then. I wish! It seems we do everything as slow as humanly possible in this country and that's without operators considering legal actions. I can't imagine first will be going down without a fight with the operation being one of their best performing. Legal action has been tried by Stagecoach and Rotala in Manchester, didn't work.
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Post by deerfold on Mar 14, 2024 15:37:57 GMT 1
What happened to delboy?
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Post by mattb7tl on Mar 14, 2024 15:51:54 GMT 1
Believe he deleted his own account
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Post by martinsfp on Mar 14, 2024 16:38:43 GMT 1
And... It's franchising! With massive massive support from the general public as demonstrated with the documents. Excellent news! Funny that I read this while standing next to Andy Burnham in a coffee shop.
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Post by sharksmith on Mar 14, 2024 16:51:56 GMT 1
And... It's franchising! With massive massive support from the general public as demonstrated with the documents. Congratulations although I'd hardly call the 1,176 public responses as massive massive support from the general public. More a sample of people who felt strongly enough to bother to give an opinion whereas the rest of the county, including myself, either couldn't care less or knew it was a pointless exercise. There's no need to put the politicians spin on it now as the predetermined result has been achieved. Cue the next five years of arguing on the forum about every pro and con which franchising ultimately brings.
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Post by lucyp on Mar 14, 2024 18:42:22 GMT 1
After the legal challenges.....
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 14, 2024 18:44:15 GMT 1
For those asking about South Pennine's routes that cross boundries e.g 357 these routes wont be affect as Community Transport routes are exempt from franchising.
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Post by leedsbusman on Mar 14, 2024 20:36:52 GMT 1
For those asking about South Pennine's routes that cross boundries e.g 357 these routes wont be affect as Community Transport routes are exempt from franchising. Iām not sure that is correct. They are local bus services and thus either be franchised or come under a permit operation. They just happen to be operated on a section 22 permit not an o-license.
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Post by pricel on Mar 14, 2024 21:29:39 GMT 1
For those asking about South Pennine's routes that cross boundries e.g 357 these routes wont be affect as Community Transport routes are exempt from franchising. I can see that being the case possibly with their variants of 25 and 26 that enter Holmfirth as well as 99, 350, 351, 353 however, I doubt 352 and 357 are exempt as both sides of the boundaries will be franchised areas.
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