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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Jan 18, 2024 10:05:30 GMT 1
Those are some pretty great changes especially the evening services. It's also extremely impressive the 268 is getting that increase while no longer with subsidy. 268 has never received a subsidy, from when I started in 2001 As for the withdrawal of 271 at 1453, this is because since Whitcliffe returned after the 6 week holidays in 2023, they changed the school finishing time from 1445 to 1500, and didn't tell Arriva, so, that service has left with 0 passengers on it. |
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Post by kendall17 on Jan 18, 2024 12:30:42 GMT 1
Those are some pretty great changes especially the evening services. It's also extremely impressive the 268 is getting that increase while no longer with subsidy. 268 has never received a subsidy, from when I started in 2001 As for the withdrawal of 271 at 1453, this is because since Whitcliffe returned after the 6 week holidays in 2023, they changed the school finishing time from 1445 to 1500, and didn't tell Arriva, so, that service has left with 0 passengers on it. Great proactive reviewing by Arriva 👍 |
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Post by mattb7tl on Jan 18, 2024 13:46:48 GMT 1
Thanks for all the information
I hope that gets sorted out at some point. I feel as if it is important for the public to know what and what isn't commercial. It's a shame it isn't very accurate
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Post by JoeFell121 on Jan 18, 2024 17:05:59 GMT 1
Also noticed the Heckmondwike timing points are now showing as Greenside, Northgate, Regent Street and Market Place ready for the new Bus Station works starting.
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Post by JC91 on Jan 18, 2024 19:25:30 GMT 1
Have you seen the time of the last 201 leaving Leeds? Departs Leeds at 23:12 and gets back to garage at 00:22. Surely that’s one of the latest services Hecky operates now.
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Post by JoeFell121 on Jan 18, 2024 20:07:23 GMT 1
Have you seen the time of the last 201 leaving Leeds? Departs Leeds at 23:12 and gets back to garage at 00:22. Surely that’s one of the latest services Hecky operates now. Didn't see that, However I did notice the last 229 out of Leeds will be 22:35, 35 minutes earlier than the current timetable. The 229/N9 used to always be the last Hecky bus out of Leeds leaving at or after 11pm. |
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Post by mattb7tl on Jan 18, 2024 20:59:33 GMT 1
Have you seen the time of the last 201 leaving Leeds? Departs Leeds at 23:12 and gets back to garage at 00:22. Surely that’s one of the latest services Hecky operates now. Didn't see that, However I did notice the last 229 out of Leeds will be 22:35, 35 minutes earlier than the current timetable. The 229/N9 used to always be the last Hecky bus out of Leeds leaving at or after 11pm. Just checked and that is quite disappointing. The way they put it on the website made the changes appear minor but there's some things which should be mentioned like the last bus from Leeds to Huddersfield, being an hour earlier. |
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Post by martinsfp on Jan 18, 2024 21:43:27 GMT 1
Didn't see that, However I did notice the last 229 out of Leeds will be 22:35, 35 minutes earlier than the current timetable. The 229/N9 used to always be the last Hecky bus out of Leeds leaving at or after 11pm. Just checked and that is quite disappointing. The way they put it on the website made the changes appear minor but there's some things which should be mentioned like the last bus from Leeds to Huddersfield, being an hour earlier. It’s a while since I had a night out in Leeds (too long!) but I’m baffled that there wouldn’t be a market for services out of the city centre on major routes running until 11.30pm at the earliest. |
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Post by pricel on Jan 18, 2024 22:35:55 GMT 1
Just checked and that is quite disappointing. The way they put it on the website made the changes appear minor but there's some things which should be mentioned like the last bus from Leeds to Huddersfield, being an hour earlier. It’s a while since I had a night out in Leeds (too long!) but I’m baffled that there wouldn’t be a market for services out of the city centre on major routes running until 11.30pm at the earliest. Don't understand how Leeds doesn't have a night bus network as there is a popular demand or at least more buses that leave after 11.30. Personally I think here should be a service for the Core local routes and regional routes such as 110, 140/1, 163, 164, 201, 202/3, 229, 255, 444/6 and 508. |
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Post by jonny182 on Jan 18, 2024 23:54:56 GMT 1
It’s a while since I had a night out in Leeds (too long!) but I’m baffled that there wouldn’t be a market for services out of the city centre on major routes running until 11.30pm at the earliest. Don't understand how Leeds doesn't have a night bus network as there is a popular demand or at least more buses that leave after 11.30. Personally I think here should be a service for the Core local routes and regional routes such as 110, 140/1, 163, 164, 201, 202/3, 229, 255, 444/6 and 508. It would be back in the late 90's when Leeds last had a extensive night bus network. Those 9xx service numbered Nightriders. Most ran Friday and Saturday nights only but some ran every night except Sunday nights. Cash flat fare only back then, passes and season tickets were not valid and it was only the equivalent maximum peak fare so good value if you lived out far along the route compared to a taxi. The 921 Nightrider plus the two Nightrider routes to Otley / Ilkley(?) were the last to survive up to around 2008(?). I remember frequently being a passenger on these and these were well laden up to the end. Probably wasn't worth keeping things open for a handful of buses out? Also I did note that a lot of drivers kept the money passengers paid and never issued any tickets towards the last two or three years of these services running and buses were carefully chosen without CCTV! That probably looked like there were much fewer passengers recorded than actually boarded the services as often most seats were taken going out of town. It is a shame that these services never lasted There was a trial when services 2 and 12 ran 24 hours every day for a few months during 2003 but don't know how well loaded these services were overnight? |
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Post by stantheman on Jan 19, 2024 0:04:48 GMT 1
I remember the N10 before Covid (basically the 110 after midnight) and it was quite busy on the occasions I used it!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2024 0:13:36 GMT 1
It’s a while since I had a night out in Leeds (too long!) but I’m baffled that there wouldn’t be a market for services out of the city centre on major routes running until 11.30pm at the earliest. Don't understand how Leeds doesn't have a night bus network as there is a popular demand or at least more buses that leave after 11.30. Personally I think here should be a service for the Core local routes and regional routes such as 110, 140/1, 163, 164, 201, 202/3, 229, 255, 444/6 and 508. I Could understand routes 202/3 might not have a night service when TPE has overnight journeys (frequent cancellations aside) & the others outside of 110 I have doubts about as well. I Am surprised they've not added a 229 at around 23:35 from Leeds, as it looks like the 22:42 254 from Cleckheaton (arriving in Leeds at 23:28) runs dead to Heckmondwike so as long as driving hours add up it would only be minimal cost to attempt it. |
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Post by yorkslad on Jan 19, 2024 0:59:30 GMT 1
Don't understand how Leeds doesn't have a night bus network as there is a popular demand or at least more buses that leave after 11.30. Personally I think here should be a service for the Core local routes and regional routes such as 110, 140/1, 163, 164, 201, 202/3, 229, 255, 444/6 and 508. It would be back in the late 90's when Leeds last had a extensive night bus network. Those 9xx service numbered Nightriders. Most ran Friday and Saturday nights only but some ran every night except Sunday nights. Cash flat fare only back then, passes and season tickets were not valid and it was only the equivalent maximum peak fare so good value if you lived out far along the route compared to a taxi. The 921 Nightrider plus the two Nightrider routes to Otley / Ilkley(?) were the last to survive up to around 2008(?). I remember frequently being a passenger on these and these were well laden up to the end. Probably wasn't worth keeping things open for a handful of buses out? Also I did note that a lot of drivers kept the money passengers paid and never issued any tickets towards the last two or three years of these services running and buses were carefully chosen without CCTV! That probably looked like there were much fewer passengers recorded than actually boarded the services as often most seats were taken going out of town. It is a shame that these services never lasted There was a trial when services 2 and 12 ran 24 hours every day for a few months during 2003 but don't know how well loaded these services were overnight? What was the 921 (or 920 - I don't have the timetables to hand) is now basically the N1, catering for the student traffic. The Leeds night-time network waxes and wanes; there were services in the 1970s, then were given the boot, came back as NightRiders in the late 1980s, disappeared again... probably about time for a revival! |
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Post by leeds rider on Jan 19, 2024 11:05:03 GMT 1
It would be back in the late 90's when Leeds last had a extensive night bus network. Those 9xx service numbered Nightriders. Most ran Friday and Saturday nights only but some ran every night except Sunday nights. Cash flat fare only back then, passes and season tickets were not valid and it was only the equivalent maximum peak fare so good value if you lived out far along the route compared to a taxi. The 921 Nightrider plus the two Nightrider routes to Otley / Ilkley(?) were the last to survive up to around 2008(?). I remember frequently being a passenger on these and these were well laden up to the end. Probably wasn't worth keeping things open for a handful of buses out? Also I did note that a lot of drivers kept the money passengers paid and never issued any tickets towards the last two or three years of these services running and buses were carefully chosen without CCTV! That probably looked like there were much fewer passengers recorded than actually boarded the services as often most seats were taken going out of town. It is a shame that these services never lasted There was a trial when services 2 and 12 ran 24 hours every day for a few months during 2003 but don't know how well loaded these services were overnight? What was the 921 (or 920 - I don't have the timetables to hand) is now basically the N1, catering for the student traffic. The Leeds night-time network waxes and wanes; there were services in the 1970s, then were given the boot, came back as NightRiders in the late 1980s, disappeared again... probably about time for a revival! There have been 3 attempts at Leeds night buses that I can remember. When I first came to Leeds in the 70s, there were late buses numbered in a 3xx series - these must have disappeared before the end of the decade as I don't remember much about them. The 80s incarnation used Nxx numbers (I used to catch the N96 up through Headingley, the daytime Cookridge/Tinshill routes being numbered 93/96 at the time), Then the 92x series in the 90s, which chopped and changed a few times and, as mentioned, some held on for longer than others. I suppose WYCA might have another go under franchising, but given the history I don't hold out much hope! |
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Post by martinsfp on Jan 19, 2024 12:18:00 GMT 1
What was the 921 (or 920 - I don't have the timetables to hand) is now basically the N1, catering for the student traffic. The Leeds night-time network waxes and wanes; there were services in the 1970s, then were given the boot, came back as NightRiders in the late 1980s, disappeared again... probably about time for a revival! There have been 3 attempts at Leeds night buses that I can remember. When I first came to Leeds in the 70s, there were late buses numbered in a 3xx series - these must have disappeared before the end of the decade as I don't remember much about them. The 80s incarnation used Nxx numbers (I used to catch the N96 up through Headingley, the daytime Cookridge/Tinshill routes being numbered 93/96 at the time), Then the 92x series in the 90s, which chopped and changed a few times and, as mentioned, some held on for longer than others. I suppose WYCA might have another go under franchising, but given the history I don't hold out much hope! This should be in the history section really but don’t forget the 950(?) which ran Halifax - Bradford - Leeds in 1999. Didn’t last long. In fact the one time I tried to catch it, it didn’t turn up. But yes. Night buses need to make a return. It’s one thing Andy Burnham has said he wants to do with the Bee Network as even Manchester’s night bus network has shrivelled to almost nothing over the past 20 years. |
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Post by deerfold on Jan 19, 2024 14:27:52 GMT 1
What was the 921 (or 920 - I don't have the timetables to hand) is now basically the N1, catering for the student traffic. The Leeds night-time network waxes and wanes; there were services in the 1970s, then were given the boot, came back as NightRiders in the late 1980s, disappeared again... probably about time for a revival! There have been 3 attempts at Leeds night buses that I can remember. When I first came to Leeds in the 70s, there were late buses numbered in a 3xx series - these must have disappeared before the end of the decade as I don't remember much about them. The 80s incarnation used Nxx numbers (I used to catch the N96 up through Headingley, the daytime Cookridge/Tinshill routes being numbered 93/96 at the time), Then the 92x series in the 90s, which chopped and changed a few times and, as mentioned, some held on for longer than others. I suppose WYCA might have another go under franchising, but given the history I don't hold out much hope! There was another half-hearted attempt in the 2010s, with night journeys on the 95, 56 and about 3 other routes. Only the 95 (1) lasted more than a year or two - the N1 still runs today. Before the 92x routes bit the dust there was an additional hourly service that ran for a year or so linking Leeds via the 72 route to Bradford then the 681 route to Halifax. It was £1 if you didn't cross Bradford and £2 if you did. It was poorly promoted (as have have most of the night services been) and had half a dozen people on it when I caught it from Leeds to Halifax and then got a taxi (which was £3 instead of the £40 it would have been from Leeds). The 92x routes bit the dust in 2 sections with just 3 of the original 8 routes running. One of the Otley services must still have been running in 2005 as I considered getting it then to Otley on a night out that never happened. |
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Post by pricel on Jan 19, 2024 23:55:59 GMT 1
Guess that this means the splitting of service 541/2 is official. The number given to the service between Halifax and Siddal will be 543 operating between Halifax Bus Station and Siddal Backhold Lane/Drive Terminus.  With Market Street due to be pedestrianised with bus stops being relocated to Winding Road, to the south of the town perhaps it would be better to route it via Matalan and the Nestle factory. It would also be very useful as the route will be able to see double deckers to busy services at peak times. The service will run half hourly all week, I wonder if evenings will be re-added. As for the 586 registration for 18 Feb 2023, I am very confused on what the change could be. As it only says variation rather than timetable or route change like the other registrations. I doubt it's route change as the registration is already Commons to Halifax Bus Station as the 586 buses do run into the Bus Station from Commons. I reckon it could be a timetable change but can anyone confirm?  |
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Post by jonny182 on Jan 20, 2024 21:24:12 GMT 1
It would be back in the late 90's when Leeds last had a extensive night bus network. Those 9xx service numbered Nightriders. Most ran Friday and Saturday nights only but some ran every night except Sunday nights. Cash flat fare only back then, passes and season tickets were not valid and it was only the equivalent maximum peak fare so good value if you lived out far along the route compared to a taxi. The 921 Nightrider plus the two Nightrider routes to Otley / Ilkley(?) were the last to survive up to around 2008(?). I remember frequently being a passenger on these and these were well laden up to the end. Probably wasn't worth keeping things open for a handful of buses out? Also I did note that a lot of drivers kept the money passengers paid and never issued any tickets towards the last two or three years of these services running and buses were carefully chosen without CCTV! That probably looked like there were much fewer passengers recorded than actually boarded the services as often most seats were taken going out of town. It is a shame that these services never lasted There was a trial when services 2 and 12 ran 24 hours every day for a few months during 2003 but don't know how well loaded these services were overnight? What was the 921 (or 920 - I don't have the timetables to hand) is now basically the N1, catering for the student traffic. The Leeds night-time network waxes and wanes; there were services in the 1970s, then were given the boot, came back as NightRiders in the late 1980s, disappeared again... probably about time for a revival! 921 started from Woodhouse Lane L5, Merrion Centre, Albion St J4, R Headrow, L Park Lane, L Boar Lane P6, T4A, Call Lane K5, R New York St, York St F4 then the present 163 route serving all stops to Swillington and looped back round via the present 19 route to Woodpecker Jct, Inner Ring Road to Woodhouse Lane exit to start again on Woodhouse Lane. By the end in the late 2000s, it only ran three time a night. It wad on the same timetable leaflet as the other two Otley Nightriders. I do recall the 56 too running Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights every 20 mins from Albion Street to Eden Drive which was funded by a safe night/crime initiative from 2005 to around 2008 but the funding ran out after three years. It was quite busy every time I rode it overnight. |
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Post by joseph on Jan 20, 2024 21:45:55 GMT 1
What was the 921 (or 920 - I don't have the timetables to hand) is now basically the N1, catering for the student traffic. The Leeds night-time network waxes and wanes; there were services in the 1970s, then were given the boot, came back as NightRiders in the late 1980s, disappeared again... probably about time for a revival! 921 started from Woodhouse Lane L5, Merrion Centre, Albion St J4, R Headrow, L Park Lane, L Boar Lane P6, T4A, Call Lane K5, R New York St, York St F4 then the present 163 route serving all stops to Swillington and looped back round via the present 19 route to Woodpecker Jct, Inner Ring Road to Woodhouse Lane exit to start again on Woodhouse Lane. By the end in the late 2000s, it only ran three time a night. It wad on the same timetable leaflet as the other two Otley Nightriders. I do recall the 56 too running Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights every 20 mins from Albion Street to Eden Drive which was funded by a safe night/crime initiative from 2005 to around 2008 but the funding ran out after three years. It was quite busy every time I rode it overnight. I think it was the 920 what served Headingley but followed the 96 route through to Horsforth Station then back through Kirkstall to Leeds. The really weird thing with a lot of the nightriders was the really lengthy routes serving all sorts of locations not otherwise linked during the day with a return to town on all journeys a different way! I think the one which served Morley ran out via the whole of Beeston (Cemetery Road, Dewsbury Road, Old Lane, Wesley Street, Elland Road before finally exiting Beeston on the Ring Road) and beyond Morley served Gildersome, New Farnley, Old Farnley and Wortley before returning to Leeds. |
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Post by WYBS on Jan 21, 2024 18:02:02 GMT 1
Can anybody explain what this is all about? M-T times are exactly the same as the FO ones? Attachments:
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Post by mattb7tl on Jan 21, 2024 18:08:25 GMT 1
Can anybody explain what this is all about? More confusing timetables! |
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Post by WYBS on Jan 21, 2024 18:11:04 GMT 1
I love living on the 60 route. I know that buses after 7pm are at :40 past the hour, which means I know exactly when to leave the pub.
If I was to live on the 51/52 route, it would be as follows:
19:15 19:30 19:56 20:16 20:51 21:16 22:06 22:26 23:10.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You've got to laugh.
A timetable seemingly created for their own operational convenience rather than the needs and wants of the passenger.
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Post by pricel on Jan 21, 2024 18:13:04 GMT 1
I love living on the 60 route. I know that buses after 7pm are at :40 past the hour, which means I know exactly when to leave the pub. If I was to live on the 51/52 route, it would be as follows: 19:15 19:30 19:56 20:16 20:51 21:16 22:06 22:26 23:10. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You've got to laugh. Can't imagine what my 586 will be as it is down on VOSA. |
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Jan 21, 2024 18:15:41 GMT 1
I love living on the 60 route. I know that buses after 7pm are at :40 past the hour, which means I know exactly when to leave the pub. If I was to live on the 51/52 route, it would be as follows: 19:15 19:30 19:56 20:16 20:51 21:16 22:06 22:26 23:10. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You've got to laugh. Can't imagine what my 586 will be as it is down on VOSA. Every 1 hour and 37 mins and ¾ seconds every other day except Tuesdays and on a full moon that falls on Friday the 14th. |
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