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Post by jus363 on Feb 24, 2024 21:07:14 GMT 1
Publicity of the service changes notably the 501/X1 is all pretty poor All timetables have been removed from Huddersfield bus station for some reason, even from stands that have had no changes All bus stops along the route are still displaying old timetables for the 503 The only place the new service is mentioned is on the updated timetables at Halifax bus station Stops in Halifax town centre that are no longer served by Mixenden and Illingworth routes are still displaying old timetables as well I do wonder if WYCA are being deliberately poor to make the current situation look worse to push along the opinion towards franchising. Then they can start doing things they used to always do anyway and get an immediate easy win. Has it been mentioned the 501/X1 no longer enter Halifax along Market Street? They now turn down Horton Street and use the bottom road into Halifax Bus Station. Seen today that the bus stop clearly say that said buses do not run from said stop anymore,also market street is going to be pedestrianised so buses will not be able to go on there
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Post by pricel on Feb 24, 2024 23:20:35 GMT 1
Where did you find the extra £1m source? I'm not great at navigating the website from the WYCA. Standards for running hours were established years ago for the BSIP, and have been in many documents since. Usually fluctuating between 4-5am and 11-12pm. I doubt money was spent on evening and early morning services since those standards have been established ages. On The BSIP update from a few weeks ago: westyorkshire.moderngov.co.uk/documents/s34706/Item%207%20-%20BSIP%20Update%20CLEARED.pdfPage 10,item 2.34 'An additional £1,168,245 to deliver the revised Halifax to Huddersfield Superbus scheme, increasing the budget from £1,469,527 up to £2,637,772' Hopefully towards funding a better local service. Service 508 and 586 need their old frequencies back!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2024 0:18:07 GMT 1
Hopefully towards funding a better local service. Service 508 and 586 need their old frequencies back! The extra million was for the 501/X1 changes, so far Halifax has probably had the most out of the BSIP funding (with Keighley being 2nd) so think it's time other areas got a look in.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 25, 2024 1:28:08 GMT 1
Hopefully towards funding a better local service. Service 508 and 586 need their old frequencies back! The extra million was for the 501/X1 changes, so far Halifax has probably had the most out of the BSIP funding (with Keighley being 2nd) so think it's time other areas got a look in. The improvements to evening services in Wakefield is also funded by the BSIP.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2024 1:58:32 GMT 1
The extra million was for the 501/X1 changes, so far Halifax has probably had the most out of the BSIP funding (with Keighley being 2nd) so think it's time other areas got a look in. The improvements to evening services in Wakefield is also funded by the BSIP. Wakefield & Kirklees have just had a few evening trips added whilst Halifax & Keighley have had daytime increases alongside early morning/evening enhancements so I'd say they've had the most so far, although there is to be a 'superbus' launch in Wakefield later this year.
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Post by deerfold on Feb 25, 2024 12:33:17 GMT 1
The improvements to evening services in Wakefield is also funded by the BSIP. Wakefield & Kirklees have just had a few evening trips added whilst Halifax & Keighley have had daytime increases alongside early morning/evening enhancements so I'd say they've had the most so far, although there is to be a 'superbus' launch in Wakefield later this year. Kirklees has had an extra hourly 549 with later journeys, 4 X1s an hour from early until late and Lindley given new links and earlier/later buses.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2024 13:58:17 GMT 1
Wakefield & Kirklees have just had a few evening trips added whilst Halifax & Keighley have had daytime increases alongside early morning/evening enhancements so I'd say they've had the most so far, although there is to be a 'superbus' launch in Wakefield later this year. Kirklees has had an extra hourly 549 with later journeys, 4 X1s an hour from early until late and Lindley given new links and earlier/later buses. What 'new' links did Lindley gain? it gained improved existing links but I'd say they was fairly neutral, as improved links to Calderdale came with reduced links within Huddersfield. Earlier/Later services came with a slightly reduced evening service (as the 501 remained Hourly but it lost it's few evening 372s). I'd still say the 549 is more a Calderdale improvement at the moment, in fact with either no timetables or out of date ones I Wonder if many people in Huddersfield even know about it yet!
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Post by pricel on Feb 25, 2024 16:27:39 GMT 1
Kirklees has had an extra hourly 549 with later journeys, 4 X1s an hour from early until late and Lindley given new links and earlier/later buses. What 'new' links did Lindley gain? it gained improved existing links but I'd say they was fairly neutral, as improved links to Calderdale came with reduced links within Huddersfield. Earlier/Later services came with a slightly reduced evening service (as the 501 remained Hourly but it lost it's few evening 372s). I'd still say the 549 is more a Calderdale improvement at the moment, in fact with either no timetables or out of date ones I Wonder if many people in Huddersfield even know about it yet! Probably why Calderdale has been spent on a lot is because we have had the more cuts of bus routes than anywhere else in West Yorkshire
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2024 17:14:12 GMT 1
What 'new' links did Lindley gain? it gained improved existing links but I'd say they was fairly neutral, as improved links to Calderdale came with reduced links within Huddersfield. Earlier/Later services came with a slightly reduced evening service (as the 501 remained Hourly but it lost it's few evening 372s). I'd still say the 549 is more a Calderdale improvement at the moment, in fact with either no timetables or out of date ones I Wonder if many people in Huddersfield even know about it yet! Probably why Calderdale has been spent on a lot is because we have had the more cuts of bus routes than anywhere else in West Yorkshire All of West Yorks has seen cuts & I would say the evening cuts to some parts of Wakefield & the 5 towns was worse than Calderdale although BSIP managed to restore most (although as you love to remind us all, the 586 probably did see the worse frequency cut in WY outside of the tendered routes)
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Post by pricel on Feb 25, 2024 18:47:24 GMT 1
Probably why Calderdale has been spent on a lot is because we have had the more cuts of bus routes than anywhere else in West Yorkshire All of West Yorks has seen cuts & I would say the evening cuts to some parts of Wakefield & the 5 towns was worse than Calderdale although BSIP managed to restore most (although as you love to remind us all, the 586 probably did see the worse frequency cut in WY outside of the tendered routes) Actually I do agree with you there now thinking about it. The 117/8 cut and 187/8 cut was not very popular among passengers.
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Post by rikki85 on Feb 25, 2024 19:40:07 GMT 1
All of West Yorks has seen cuts & I would say the evening cuts to some parts of Wakefield & the 5 towns was worse than Calderdale although BSIP managed to restore most (although as you love to remind us all, the 586 probably did see the worse frequency cut in WY outside of the tendered routes) Actually I do agree with you there now thinking about it. The 117/8 cut and 187/8 cut was not very popular among passengers. It still isn't. The 117 cut still causes much anger in Ossett, just as much as the 278 cut does. You can't get from Wakefield or Dewsbury to Halifax by bus easily.
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Post by pricel on Feb 25, 2024 22:11:09 GMT 1
Actually I do agree with you there now thinking about it. The 117/8 cut and 187/8 cut was not very popular among passengers. It still isn't. The 117 cut still causes much anger in Ossett, just as much as the 278 cut does. You can't get from Wakefield or Dewsbury to Halifax by bus easily. There is a riot in a couple of Facebook posts about the 278 even years after it's withdrawal are still complaining.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Feb 25, 2024 23:33:43 GMT 1
It still isn't. The 117 cut still causes much anger in Ossett, just as much as the 278 cut does. You can't get from Wakefield or Dewsbury to Halifax by bus easily. There is a riot in a couple of Facebook posts about the 278 even years after it's withdrawal are still complaining. It was sad to see the withdrawal of the 278 service. What was once a popular and busy every 30 minutes service back in the day of the 278/279 to be withdrawn despite plenty of petitions etc was sad to see. Although it did have some odd routing through Elland at one time, operating via Catherine Street, Frances Street & James Street (or maybe the other way around) a journey in the AM & PM operating via Brooksbank School, an early morning trip that started from the Brooksbank School turning circle to Wakefield... a route I will miss dearly, almost as much as the 589.
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Post by kommie123 on Feb 26, 2024 7:45:04 GMT 1
Actually I do agree with you there now thinking about it. The 117/8 cut and 187/8 cut was not very popular among passengers. It still isn't. The 117 cut still causes much anger in Ossett, just as much as the 278 cut does. You can't get from Wakefield or Dewsbury to Halifax by bus easily. The 116 seems to plug a lot of that gap? Does that do well?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2024 9:41:24 GMT 1
All of West Yorks has seen cuts & I would say the evening cuts to some parts of Wakefield & the 5 towns was worse than Calderdale although BSIP managed to restore most (although as you love to remind us all, the 586 probably did see the worse frequency cut in WY outside of the tendered routes) Actually I do agree with you there now thinking about it. The 117/8 cut and 187/8 cut was not very popular among passengers. That's what the superbus funding in Wakefield is for, essentially bringing back the 125 route, but with Arriva instead of Ross Travel, running the route. I'd prefer for them to just increase the 186 to every 30 minutes, having a bus every hour to Ponte, and the other one, a Castleford to Wakefield only, you could interwork the Cas to Wakefield short with the 156 in Castleford, and bring back the evening services, as night workers used it to get to work on the Whitwood Industrial Estate and with new Haribos factory been built on there as well, there will be more workers needing a bus
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Post by deerfold on Feb 26, 2024 11:31:51 GMT 1
Kirklees has had an extra hourly 549 with later journeys, 4 X1s an hour from early until late and Lindley given new links and earlier/later buses. What 'new' links did Lindley gain? it gained improved existing links but I'd say they was fairly neutral, as improved links to Calderdale came with reduced links within Huddersfield. Earlier/Later services came with a slightly reduced evening service (as the 501 remained Hourly but it lost it's few evening 372s). I'd still say the 549 is more a Calderdale improvement at the moment, in fact with either no timetables or out of date ones I Wonder if many people in Huddersfield even know about it yet! Lindley now has a bus every 15 minutes to Elland and Halifax (instead of a handful in an evening). West Vale lost half its late evening service as they're now X1s. You might have preferred the existing links, but I didn't say "more links".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2024 13:34:18 GMT 1
What 'new' links did Lindley gain? it gained improved existing links but I'd say they was fairly neutral, as improved links to Calderdale came with reduced links within Huddersfield. Earlier/Later services came with a slightly reduced evening service (as the 501 remained Hourly but it lost it's few evening 372s). I'd still say the 549 is more a Calderdale improvement at the moment, in fact with either no timetables or out of date ones I Wonder if many people in Huddersfield even know about it yet! Lindley now has a bus every 15 minutes to Elland and Halifax (instead of a handful in an evening). West Vale lost half its late evening service as they're now X1s. You might have preferred the existing links, but I didn't say "more links". Lindley always had daytime links to Elland and Halifax with the 343, that's why i'd call it improving existing links rather than new ones.
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Post by deerfold on Feb 26, 2024 14:07:49 GMT 1
Lindley now has a bus every 15 minutes to Elland and Halifax (instead of a handful in an evening). West Vale lost half its late evening service as they're now X1s. You might have preferred the existing links, but I didn't say "more links". Lindley always had daytime links to Elland and Halifax with the 343, that's why i'd call it improving existing links rather than new ones. OK, extensively improving (from 12 to 82 services a day). And along different roads. But definitely more than just "a few evening trips added".
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Post by rikki85 on Feb 26, 2024 17:19:16 GMT 1
It still isn't. The 117 cut still causes much anger in Ossett, just as much as the 278 cut does. You can't get from Wakefield or Dewsbury to Halifax by bus easily. The 116 seems to plug a lot of that gap? Does that do well? Not really useful for South Ossett as it goes through Horbury like the 126 instead of following the route of the 117.
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Post by pricel on Feb 26, 2024 17:28:25 GMT 1
It still isn't. The 117 cut still causes much anger in Ossett, just as much as the 278 cut does. You can't get from Wakefield or Dewsbury to Halifax by bus easily. The 116 seems to plug a lot of that gap? Does that do well? Not for South Ossett and the bus doesn't run on weekends or evenings like it used to.
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Post by stephen01 on Feb 26, 2024 18:48:20 GMT 1
The 116 seems to plug a lot of that gap? Does that do well? Not really useful for South Ossett as it goes through Horbury like the 126 instead of following the route of the 117. with the 116 the tender that was agreed was for between Ossett town centre and leeds. The Wakefield to Ossett section is the original Commercial route Station Coaches set up.
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Post by kommie123 on Feb 26, 2024 20:22:09 GMT 1
How well does the 116 do? I suspect it ticks over with subsidy? If so, can't imagine a demand for evening and weekend services? Might be wrong.
I seem to recall a service via Horbury? 217 was it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2024 20:26:36 GMT 1
128 went from Wakefield to Dewsbury via Horbury, didn't go the same way as 126/127 though, went via Overton and Grange Moor. Usually had e200minis on it, last time I got the 128, I ended up getting a very very empty Gemini 2, I was only one on it for most of the route.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2024 20:31:31 GMT 1
How well does the 116 do? I suspect it ticks over with subsidy? If so, can't imagine a demand for evening and weekend services? Might be wrong. I seem to recall a service via Horbury? 217 was it? Could you be thinking of the old peak time express X17 from Netherton/Overton to Leeds Via Horbury & Osset?
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Post by stephen01 on Feb 26, 2024 22:51:38 GMT 1
How well does the 116 do? I suspect it ticks over with subsidy? If so, can't imagine a demand for evening and weekend services? Might be wrong. I seem to recall a service via Horbury? 217 was it? 128 went from Wakefield to Dewsbury via Horbury, didn't go the same way as 126/127 though, went via Overton and Grange Moor. Usually had e200minis on it, last time I got the 128, I ended up getting a very very empty Gemini 2, I was only one on it for most of the route. How well does the 116 do? I suspect it ticks over with subsidy? If so, can't imagine a demand for evening and weekend services? Might be wrong. I seem to recall a service via Horbury? 217 was it? Could you be thinking of the old peak time express X17 from Netherton/Overton to Leeds Via Horbury & Osset? the 217 & X17 are both the same route. The 116 can have decent loads even the first trip from Ossett Bus Station but agree it's time they looked to bring in a Saturday timetable is launched.
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