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Post by Username on May 21, 2023 19:28:08 GMT 1
I would leave the 372 untouched as quite a lot of people cross over from Almondbury or Waterloo to the hospital. I've always thought of maybe having 501/3 half hourly through the day combined to make a service every 15 minutes and then X3 every half hour. That would leave the main Halifax Road into Huddersfield with only 2 buses per hour, which isn’t adequate Maybe they could run the ‘501’ as Halifax to Almondbury, run by Huddersfield depot, with the 503 running Halifax to Huddersfield run by Halifax depot Barely anyone gets on down Halifax Road. Plus as I said they will have X3 as well. X3 can serve all stops between Ainley Top and Huddersfield.
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Post by deerfold on May 21, 2023 20:00:41 GMT 1
I would leave the 372 untouched as quite a lot of people cross over from Almondbury or Waterloo to the hospital. I've always thought of maybe having 501/3 half hourly through the day combined to make a service every 15 minutes and then X3 every half hour. That would leave the main Halifax Road into Huddersfield with only 2 buses per hour, which isn’t adequate Given they're having 8 buses an hour between the 501 and 503, that's unlikely to be happening.
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Post by leedsbusman on May 21, 2023 20:43:28 GMT 1
I'm guessing that's because the 'BSIP' funding routes have a set amount of time of funding before they are expected to become commercially viable (Between 3-5 Years depending on the area it seems) so they've just accepted the routes that have been cut recently had little chance of ever becoming viable. They're taking a bit of a punt on the K7. I remember that being every 12 minutes. Then every 15. Then every 20. It took a while after the pandemic cuts for it to return to every 20 minutes from every 30. I recall the K7 reverted to every 20 minutes in September 2020.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2023 21:01:31 GMT 1
I would leave the 372 untouched as quite a lot of people cross over from Almondbury or Waterloo to the hospital. I've always thought of maybe having 501/3 half hourly through the day combined to make a service every 15 minutes and then X3 every half hour. That would leave the main Halifax Road into Huddersfield with only 2 buses per hour, which isn’t adequate Maybe they could run the ‘501’ as Halifax to Almondbury, run by Huddersfield depot, with the 503 running Halifax to Huddersfield run by Halifax depot Whilst Halifax to Almondbury wouldn't be the most mad thing to happen (reminds me of when 343/537/538 got merged with 317 to create Halifax > Kirkheaton routes during the Mid 00s) I Think it would be a recipe for unreliability (E.G passing on delays to Almondbury when M62 messes up near Ainley Top, or passing on missing buses to Calderdale on an evening when people up Almondbury get bored & put through a few windows) I Think the 372 should be safe - it's more the 370 I Could see being cut back to the Town Centre & 371 becoming just Lindley via Salendine Nook (no longer doing the full loop) That would leave the main Halifax Road into Huddersfield with only 2 buses per hour, which isn’t adequate Maybe they could run the ‘501’ as Halifax to Almondbury, run by Huddersfield depot, with the 503 running Halifax to Huddersfield run by Halifax depot Barely anyone gets on down Halifax Road. Plus as I said they will have X3 as well. X3 can serve all stops between Ainley Top and Huddersfield. Quite a few people get on/off around the Birchencliffe area whenever i've used the 503 so it would slow down the X3 if you did have it serving all them stops (although a solution could be 501 running via Birchencliffe & East Street to Lindley rather than Weatherhill)
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Post by deerfold on May 21, 2023 21:02:18 GMT 1
They're taking a bit of a punt on the K7. I remember that being every 12 minutes. Then every 15. Then every 20. It took a while after the pandemic cuts for it to return to every 20 minutes from every 30. I recall the K7 reverted to every 20 minutes in September 2020. Indeed. My memory appears to have been faulty about that date.
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Post by mattb7tl on May 21, 2023 21:08:57 GMT 1
The 372 would massively benefit being Huddersfield to Almondbury. It would almost definitely and finally run from the bus station. All of the major delays would be eliminated as they are pretty much all caused by traffic in Lindley. I’d probably stop using it all together if it ran to Halifax, the delays would be unbearable.
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Post by northerner on May 21, 2023 21:56:46 GMT 1
If route 60 does go Every 20Mins all the way to Keighley I wonder if that is what could lead to the end of 622 what to be honest I'm surprised has lasted this long as apart from the Beckfoot to Shipley link it just duplicates other services for its route. That would be a logical change, the 622 never seems busy on the Shipley - Bingley section. Rerouting the 60 via Beckfoot to cover the 622 would ensure no stops lose their link to Shipley. Looking at the current times, most daytime journeys on the 60 are allocated more time between Bingley and Saltaire than the 662, so rerouting away from the bypass could actually improve journey times.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 21, 2023 22:51:31 GMT 1
Aren't the 622 & 626 the 'main' services from Bradford to Shipley?
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Post by Dom on May 21, 2023 22:55:47 GMT 1
If route 60 does go Every 20Mins all the way to Keighley I wonder if that is what could lead to the end of 622 what to be honest I'm surprised has lasted this long as apart from the Beckfoot to Shipley link it just duplicates other services for its route. That would be a logical change, the 622 never seems busy on the Shipley - Bingley section. Rerouting the 60 via Beckfoot to cover the 622 would ensure no stops lose their link to Shipley. Looking at the current times, most daytime journeys on the 60 are allocated more time between Bingley and Saltaire than the 662, so rerouting away from the bypass could actually improve journey times. Often quicker going on the main Bradford Road, than using the by-pass. I’m a regular on the 622 and agree the bit between Shipley and Bingley is under used, all it takes is a shuttle to be infront, and then you’re empty. Only saving grace would be to reintroduce the 622/3 link to Eldwick and curtail the 616/9 back to Bingley.
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Post by Dom on May 21, 2023 22:56:54 GMT 1
To add.
Most passengers going to Eldwick will get train from BDQ to Bingley then get a bus up, it’s a lot quicker than going the full route from Bradford by bus.
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Post by Username on May 22, 2023 2:59:54 GMT 1
To add. Most passengers going to Eldwick will get train from BDQ to Bingley then get a bus up, it’s a lot quicker than going the full route from Bradford by bus. I know of some people who use the Shuttle and then Eldwicks.
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Post by moorside on May 22, 2023 4:07:59 GMT 1
I hope the X3 Halifax-Huddersfield express does well. But I'm based in the West Midlands these days and we have a similar situation between Walsall and Wolverhampton: two large towns 6-7 miles apart, one slightly smaller than the other like Hx and Hudds, with a smaller town in between (Willenhall, in place of Elland). There's a frequent service between the two towns but in September 2020 an express service was introduced, running every 20 minutes but stopping at fewer stops and bypassing Willenhall. I thought it was a great idea and used it a few times: but it wasn't a success, after a few months the frequency was reduced and in early 2022 it was taken off altogether. Personally, I found that the 10-minute time advantage wasn't enough to make you let the 529 go and wait 5 minutes for the X529, so unless the X529 was on stand ready for departure I tended not to wait for it.
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Post by Username on May 22, 2023 5:44:05 GMT 1
I hope the X3 Halifax-Huddersfield express does well. But I'm based in the West Midlands these days and we have a similar situation between Walsall and Wolverhampton: two large towns 6-7 miles apart, one slightly smaller than the other like Hx and Hudds, with a smaller town in between (Willenhall, in place of Elland). There's a frequent service between the two towns but in September 2020 an express service was introduced, running every 20 minutes but stopping at fewer stops and bypassing Willenhall. I thought it was a great idea and used it a few times: but it wasn't a success, after a few months the frequency was reduced and in early 2022 it was taken off altogether. Personally, I found that the 10-minute time advantage wasn't enough to make you let the 529 go and wait 5 minutes for the X529, so unless the X529 was on stand ready for departure I tended not to wait for it. Could be very successful towards Huddersfield if journeys use Huddersfield Road straight up from Elland. Also apparently rather than going straight down the A629 apparently the faster way to Huddersfield is to turn onto Edgerton Grove Road and then the A640.
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Post by rikki85 on May 23, 2023 12:30:49 GMT 1
The X3 is nothing new as such. There used to be the X37 which went limited stop via Halifax Road and the bypass before and after Elland
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Post by rikki85 on May 23, 2023 12:33:56 GMT 1
That would leave the main Halifax Road into Huddersfield with only 2 buses per hour, which isn’t adequate Maybe they could run the ‘501’ as Halifax to Almondbury, run by Huddersfield depot, with the 503 running Halifax to Huddersfield run by Halifax depot Whilst Halifax to Almondbury wouldn't be the most mad thing to happen (reminds me of when 343/537/538 got merged with 317 to create Halifax > Kirkheaton routes during the Mid 00s) I Think it would be a recipe for unreliability (E.G passing on delays to Almondbury when M62 messes up near Ainley Top, or passing on missing buses to Calderdale on an evening when people up Almondbury get bored & put through a few windows) I Think the 372 should be safe - it's more the 370 I Could see being cut back to the Town Centre & 371 becoming just Lindley via Salendine Nook (no longer doing the full loop) Barely anyone gets on down Halifax Road. Plus as I said they will have X3 as well. X3 can serve all stops between Ainley Top and Huddersfield. Quite a few people get on/off around the Birchencliffe area whenever i've used the 503 so it would slow down the X3 if you did have it serving all them stops (although a solution could be 501 running via Birchencliffe & East Street to Lindley rather than Weatherhill) I cannot see the 501 operating to Almondbury, it would make so sense and neither would taking the 501 from Weatherhill. It would leave no bus service up there on an evening.
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Post by rikki85 on May 23, 2023 12:36:34 GMT 1
That would leave the main Halifax Road into Huddersfield with only 2 buses per hour, which isn’t adequate Maybe they could run the ‘501’ as Halifax to Almondbury, run by Huddersfield depot, with the 503 running Halifax to Huddersfield run by Halifax depot Whilst Halifax to Almondbury wouldn't be the most mad thing to happen (reminds me of when 343/537/538 got merged with 317 to create Halifax > Kirkheaton routes during the Mid 00s) I Think it would be a recipe for unreliability (E.G passing on delays to Almondbury when M62 messes up near Ainley Top, or passing on missing buses to Calderdale on an evening when people up Almondbury get bored & put through a few windows) I Think the 372 should be safe - it's more the 370 I Could see being cut back to the Town Centre & 371 becoming just Lindley via Salendine Nook (no longer doing the full loop) Barely anyone gets on down Halifax Road. Plus as I said they will have X3 as well. X3 can serve all stops between Ainley Top and Huddersfield. Quite a few people get on/off around the Birchencliffe area whenever i've used the 503 so it would slow down the X3 if you did have it serving all them stops (although a solution could be 501 running via Birchencliffe & East Street to Lindley rather than Weatherhill) The 343, 537 and 538 were never linked to the 317?? The 317 was recreated latterly as a replacement for the former milnsbridge circular. In the noughties, the 317 only operated hudds to Kirkheaton.
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Post by joshben on May 23, 2023 14:11:28 GMT 1
Sadly nothing for Wakefield! Saturdays early evening trips (1530-1800) towards wakey often have a 60+ load on, cant imagine peak times M-F! Would be nice to reinstate the 10 minutes service
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2023 17:40:54 GMT 1
Whilst Halifax to Almondbury wouldn't be the most mad thing to happen (reminds me of when 343/537/538 got merged with 317 to create Halifax > Kirkheaton routes during the Mid 00s) I Think it would be a recipe for unreliability (E.G passing on delays to Almondbury when M62 messes up near Ainley Top, or passing on missing buses to Calderdale on an evening when people up Almondbury get bored & put through a few windows) I Think the 372 should be safe - it's more the 370 I Could see being cut back to the Town Centre & 371 becoming just Lindley via Salendine Nook (no longer doing the full loop) Quite a few people get on/off around the Birchencliffe area whenever i've used the 503 so it would slow down the X3 if you did have it serving all them stops (although a solution could be 501 running via Birchencliffe & East Street to Lindley rather than Weatherhill) The 343, 537 and 538 were never linked to the 317?? The 317 was recreated latterly as a replacement for the former milnsbridge circular. In the noughties, the 317 only operated hudds to Kirkheaton. (This might be better going in the history area as slightly off topic) I've just looked up an old timetable I Have & your correct when the 343/537/8 was extended to Kirkheaton & Upper Heaton in 2006 it was mostly the 373 they replaced although they did replace a couple of the early evening 317 runs as well (By this point the 317 was run during the day by K-Line & First on a evening) Either way from what i remember it didn't last long.
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Post by michael1971 on May 23, 2023 19:20:43 GMT 1
The X3 is nothing new as such. There used to be the X37 which went limited stop via Halifax Road and the bypass before and after Elland and also there was a Saturday service X36 which went from Halifax to Sheffield Meadowhall via Elland bypass and Huddersfield using plaxton bodied Leyland Tiger coaches later X37 would become X36 from Halifax to Huddersfield
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 27, 2023 14:18:49 GMT 1
The X3 is nothing new as such. There used to be the X37 which went limited stop via Halifax Road and the bypass before and after Elland I used that in 1996 the first time I went to Huddersfield.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on May 27, 2023 19:24:01 GMT 1
The X3 is nothing new as such. There used to be the X37 which went limited stop via Halifax Road and the bypass before and after Elland Going back to the 1980s, there was a through 237 from (Sheffield?)
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Post by deerfold on May 27, 2023 20:05:28 GMT 1
The X3 is nothing new as such. There used to be the X37 which went limited stop via Halifax Road and the bypass before and after Elland Going back to the 1980s, there was a through 237 from (Sheffield?) That ran from the Thirties to the Eighties, as the 236, 237 or 238. Then became the X37, Saturdays only. Then after a break the M1 ran Saturdays Huddersfield to Meadowhall. (I used to be able to get from my parents' in Ripponden to the Nottingham suburbs on just 3 buses.)
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Post by martinsfp on May 27, 2023 21:14:00 GMT 1
Going back to the 1980s, there was a through 237 from (Sheffield?) That ran from the Thirties to the Eighties, as the 236, 237 or 238. Then became the X37, Saturdays only. Then after a break the M1 ran Saturdays Huddersfield to Meadowhall. (I used to be able to get from my parents' in Ripponden to the Nottingham suburbs on just 3 buses.) There was also definitely an X37 from Halifax to Huddersfield only, in the mid-90s, every 30 minutes Monday to Saturday daytimes, I seem to remember. It was possible some were numbered X36, too.
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Post by Username on May 27, 2023 21:15:32 GMT 1
That ran from the Thirties to the Eighties, as the 236, 237 or 238. Then became the X37, Saturdays only. Then after a break the M1 ran Saturdays Huddersfield to Meadowhall. (I used to be able to get from my parents' in Ripponden to the Nottingham suburbs on just 3 buses.) There was also definitely an X37 from Halifax to Huddersfield only, in the mid-90s, every 30 minutes Monday to Saturday daytimes, I seem to remember. Isn't this conversation what the canteen is for?
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Post by driver6540 on May 27, 2023 21:31:52 GMT 1
I hope the X3 Halifax-Huddersfield express does well. But I'm based in the West Midlands these days and we have a similar situation between Walsall and Wolverhampton: two large towns 6-7 miles apart, one slightly smaller than the other like Hx and Hudds, with a smaller town in between (Willenhall, in place of Elland). There's a frequent service between the two towns but in September 2020 an express service was introduced, running every 20 minutes but stopping at fewer stops and bypassing Willenhall. I thought it was a great idea and used it a few times: but it wasn't a success, after a few months the frequency was reduced and in early 2022 it was taken off altogether. Personally, I found that the 10-minute time advantage wasn't enough to make you let the 529 go and wait 5 minutes for the X529, so unless the X529 was on stand ready for departure I tended not to wait for it. Could be very successful towards Huddersfield if journeys use Huddersfield Road straight up from Elland. Also apparently rather than going straight down the A629 apparently the faster way to Huddersfield is to turn onto Edgerton Grove Road and then the A640. Rubbish, as soon as you turn onto the A640 from Edgerton Grove Road, you'll encounter far more traffic any time of the day than what you would if you'd stayed on the A629.
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