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Post by leedsbusman on Feb 13, 2024 22:22:55 GMT 1
Huddersfield has been branded as having the 'Volvo Badge' in terms of standardisation, by Andy. Kind of confusing but it plays into the old, unconfirmed rumour, that the new buses were a diverted order and were not destined for Huddersfield. With the no diesel rule, along with the lack of modern volvos in the existing fleet, what newer vehicles would even be available for fleet upgrade? I doubt he meant for ever! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2024 0:15:22 GMT 1
Huddersfield has been branded as having the 'Volvo Badge' in terms of standardisation, by Andy. Kind of confusing but it plays into the old, unconfirmed rumour, that the new buses were a diverted order and were not destined for Huddersfield. With the no diesel rule, along with the lack of modern volvos in the existing fleet, what newer vehicles would even be available for fleet upgrade? If going electric they could go for BZLs otherwise I Guess it depends what modern second hand Volvo stock ends up at Ensign. Depending how this year goes it could be come 2028 First are no longer operating in both Halifax & Huddersfield so would be upto the new operator if they want to continue the 'only Volvo' policy. |
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Post by pricel on Feb 18, 2024 23:04:27 GMT 1
Does anyone know which batteries Transdev has opted for the new 36 buses? Hope it's not the same ones First has on their GB Kites. I have heard First went for the cheapest ones which is pretty believable as one did two full trips and a half on the 4/4F and was already on 20%.
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Post by kendall17 on Feb 18, 2024 23:30:47 GMT 1
Does anyone know which batteries Transdev has opted for the new 36 buses? Hope it's not the same ones First has on their GB Kites. I have heard First went for the cheapest ones which is pretty believable as one did two full trips and a half on the 4/4F and was already on 20%. I heard from my mate's cat's owner who drives past Bramley on his milk float that know one knows what First ordered. What I do know is the Kites seem to manage a full day out on tough routes such as the 91. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2024 3:26:54 GMT 1
Does anyone know which batteries Transdev has opted for the new 36 buses? Hope it's not the same ones First has on their GB Kites. I have heard First went for the cheapest ones which is pretty believable as one did two full trips and a half on the 4/4F and was already on 20%. Firsts do have the smallest battery option of 340kw/h, but it is still expected to do around 150 Miles between charges going off what Wright state in their brochure for the GB Kite. I'd say it's more likely if it did only have 20% left (around 30 Miles) after only doing them trips then it's possible it hadn't been charged to a full 100% the previous night Attachments:
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Feb 19, 2024 9:28:10 GMT 1
Does anyone know which batteries Transdev has opted for the new 36 buses? Hope it's not the same ones First has on their GB Kites. I have heard First went for the cheapest ones which is pretty believable as one did two full trips and a half on the 4/4F and was already on 20%. Firsts do have the smallest battery option of 340kw/h, but it is still expected to do around 150 Miles between charges going off what Wright state in their brochure for the GB Kite. I'd say it's more likely if it did only have 20% left (around 30 Miles) after only doing them trips then it's possible it hadn't been charged to a full 100% the previous night Which should be sufficient for a heavily urban network like Leeds, with low average speeds & lots of stop/start traffic. On our urban network our longest normal service bus working (excluding Outer Circle & limited stop Hospital contract) only just about came out at 155 miles and that left the depot at 0430 on a works contract to a neighbouring town and ran on until just before midnight on the late shift. It would be normal for operators to specify the battery capacity for the actual requirements of operation rather than pay for extra battery capacity (with the weight issues it brings) if it isn't needed but for something like the 36 you would expect the maximum possible range to be aimed at. It was the same with diesel buses, most urban operators wouldn't specify the largest diesel tanks you could fit as you didn't need it but some interurban operators would have 'long range' tanks to deal with high daily mileages (particularly an operator with outstations without fuelling facilities) but most people wouldn't realise as there are few indications to anyone. One of my first driving jobs was doing rail replacement where the operator doubled up so the buses left very early and get back very late (in fact on Sunday the buses would get back to the depot from the Saturday runs get washed & fuelled and go straight out on the Sunday runs without effectively turning the engine off) and some of the Olympians had normal tanks and had to be filled up in the middle of day otherwise they would run out of fuel mid afternoon (the left the depot around 0300 in the morning whilst I did late shifts) but others had long range tanks and could just about do a full day on one tank though drivers were instructed to fill up at a petrol station in the afternoon just in case so the drivers learnt which needed care and which you could be more relaxed with. |
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Post by pricel on Feb 19, 2024 11:30:03 GMT 1
Does anyone know which batteries Transdev has opted for the new 36 buses? Hope it's not the same ones First has on their GB Kites. I have heard First went for the cheapest ones which is pretty believable as one did two full trips and a half on the 4/4F and was already on 20%. I heard from my mate's cat's owner who drives past Bramley on his milk float that know one knows what First ordered. What I do know is the Kites seem to manage a full day out on tough routes such as the 91. Yeah I guess I do sound a bit like a prat, but I have pieced knowledge together. CP 2012 did mention that they have a battery of 340kw/h range which is the lowest battery range. I did see 20% from the cab but like someone else mentioned it could have just not been charged fully the previous night. Whereas Greater Manchester's electric buses are stunning with buses lasting all day on ridiculously long routes such as 22 from Trafford to Bolton. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2024 14:10:16 GMT 1
I heard from my mate's cat's owner who drives past Bramley on his milk float that know one knows what First ordered. What I do know is the Kites seem to manage a full day out on tough routes such as the 91. Yeah I guess I do sound a bit like a prat, but I have pieced knowledge together. CP 2012 did mention that they have a battery of 340kw/h range which is the lowest battery range. I did see 20% from the cab but like someone else mentioned it could have just not been charged fully the previous night. Whereas Greater Manchester's electric buses are stunning with buses lasting all day on ridiculously long routes such as 22 from Trafford to Bolton. Route 22 is less than a mile longer than the 4 (13.2 Miles on Route 22 V 12.4 on route 4), plus the BYD/Enviro 400 has the worst range of any DD bus currently on the market (the BYD E200 having the 2nd worst for the SDs) with a range around 130-140 Miles. |
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Post by pricel on Feb 19, 2024 14:38:20 GMT 1
Yeah I guess I do sound a bit like a prat, but I have pieced knowledge together. CP 2012 did mention that they have a battery of 340kw/h range which is the lowest battery range. I did see 20% from the cab but like someone else mentioned it could have just not been charged fully the previous night. Whereas Greater Manchester's electric buses are stunning with buses lasting all day on ridiculously long routes such as 22 from Trafford to Bolton. Route 22 is less than a mile longer than the 4 (13.2 Miles on Route 22 V 12.4 on route 4), plus the BYD/Enviro 400 has the worst range of any DD bus currently on the market (the BYD E200 having the 2nd worst for the SDs) with a range around 130-140 Miles. Fair enough but I have never had an issue with the Manchester ones. |
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Post by leedsbusman on Feb 19, 2024 14:38:43 GMT 1
I heard from my mate's cat's owner who drives past Bramley on his milk float that know one knows what First ordered. What I do know is the Kites seem to manage a full day out on tough routes such as the 91. Yeah I guess I do sound a bit like a prat, but I have pieced knowledge together. CP 2012 did mention that they have a battery of 340kw/h range which is the lowest battery range. I did see 20% from the cab but like someone else mentioned it could have just not been charged fully the previous night. Whereas Greater Manchester's electric buses are stunning with buses lasting all day on ridiculously long routes such as 22 from Trafford to Bolton. Does the route length matter - 10 trips on a 15 mile route v 20 trips on a 7.5m route will use a similar amount of power all other factors being equally! |
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Post by pricel on Feb 19, 2024 14:49:20 GMT 1
Yeah I guess I do sound a bit like a prat, but I have pieced knowledge together. CP 2012 did mention that they have a battery of 340kw/h range which is the lowest battery range. I did see 20% from the cab but like someone else mentioned it could have just not been charged fully the previous night. Whereas Greater Manchester's electric buses are stunning with buses lasting all day on ridiculously long routes such as 22 from Trafford to Bolton. Does the route length matter - 10 trips on a 15 mile route v 20 trips on a 7.5m route will use a similar amount of power all other factors being equally! Actually to be fair that is a good point, never thought of that factor! |
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Post by peteleeds on Feb 22, 2024 18:08:04 GMT 1
I see arrival have gone into administration. Had any of our local operators placed orders to add these into their fleets
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2024 18:34:06 GMT 1
I see arrival have gone into administration. Had any of our local operators placed orders to add these into their fleets The original order for First was these vehicles but got swapped to Wright during 2022, then a few months later Arrival dropped (or paused) any plans for the bus to focus on their van models. |
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Post by mattb7tl on Mar 16, 2024 14:35:59 GMT 1
Has First Huddersfield got a decker shortage?
Halifax is very obvious but it seems a lot of singles keep turning up on silly routes
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Post by pricel on Mar 16, 2024 14:43:45 GMT 1
Has First Huddersfield got a decker shortage? Halifax is very obvious but it seems a lot of singles keep turning up on silly routes Most of Halifax's routes now need double deckers because of the mad frequency drop. Only routes I don't think needs regular double deckers is the 543 and 586 but even some trips on them can get quite busy |
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Post by mattb7tl on Mar 16, 2024 14:45:10 GMT 1
Has First Huddersfield got a decker shortage? Halifax is very obvious but it seems a lot of singles keep turning up on silly routes Most of Halifax's routes now need double deckers because of the mad frequency drop. Only routes I don't think needs regular double deckers is the 543 and 586 but even some trips on them can get quite busy Halifax is in the process of getting sorted. We have some potteries enviros on route. |
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Post by Danny on Mar 16, 2024 16:12:04 GMT 1
Most of Halifax's routes now need double deckers because of the mad frequency drop. Only routes I don't think needs regular double deckers is the 543 and 586 but even some trips on them can get quite busy Halifax is in the process of getting sorted. We have some potteries enviros on route. The these Enviros are replacing B7s for scrap, B9s to Huddersfield & Cornwall. No singles are moving on yet. |
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Post by pricel on Mar 16, 2024 17:04:25 GMT 1
Halifax is in the process of getting sorted. We have some potteries enviros on route. The these Enviros are replacing B7s for scrap, B9s to Huddersfield & Cornwall. No singles are moving on yet. Good riddance |
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