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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Jul 18, 2023 18:53:36 GMT 1
Is anyone up to date on the ZEBRA situation for the electric buses coming out of WYCA funding? Apparently, they are due for Todmorden, Hebden Bridge and Holmfirth (including 335). Anybody know if any depots have worked on installing electrification as of yet as they are due in 2024. Also does anybody know what's going on with Arriva's ZEBRA funding they haven't even trialled an electric bus yet? This along with Millwood depot Electrification would mean the whole Calder Valley will be electric apart from B3, 901 and 7. ... and the 2 buses that are run by Halifax depot. Unless those 2 boards go back to be Tod operated.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2023 19:12:56 GMT 1
Is anyone up to date on the ZEBRA situation for the electric buses coming out of WYCA funding? Apparently, they are due for Todmorden, Hebden Bridge and Holmfirth (including 335). Anybody know if any depots have worked on installing electrification as of yet as they are due in 2024. Also does anybody know what's going on with Arriva's ZEBRA funding they haven't even trialled an electric bus yet? This along with Millwood depot Electrification would mean the whole Calder Valley will be electric apart from B3, 901 and 7. At the moment the only Arriva electric order outside of London is for Leicester's Wright Streetdeck 'Electroliners', so I'm wondering if they will just add to that order for Yorkshire or return the funding & pull out of the scheme like they did with the Stevenage & Milton Keynes funding.
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Post by Dom on Jul 19, 2023 22:15:56 GMT 1
Is anyone up to date on the ZEBRA situation for the electric buses coming out of WYCA funding? Apparently, they are due for Todmorden, Hebden Bridge and Holmfirth (including 335). Anybody know if any depots have worked on installing electrification as of yet as they are due in 2024. Also does anybody know what's going on with Arriva's ZEBRA funding they haven't even trialled an electric bus yet? This along with Millwood depot Electrification would mean the whole Calder Valley will be electric apart from B3, 901 and 7. At the moment the only Arriva electric order outside of London is for Leicester's Wright Streetdeck 'Electroliners', so I'm wondering if they will just add to that order for Yorkshire or return the funding & pull out of the scheme like they did with the Stevenage & Milton Keynes funding. Prep work underway at bramley for arrival of electric buses in about 5 month
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Post by WYBS on Jul 20, 2023 23:26:46 GMT 1
I can't help but thinking quite a few of the posts on this thread would be better suited in already existing threads. Eg. ZEBRA discussion and questions about individual Arriva and First vehicles.
I thought the purpose of this thread was to discuss things that don't fit into other specific threads.
This particular forum is fantastic because of how specific and organised it can be, and (almost always) is; unlike other forums such as RailUK and Mersey Dennis Dart; which just dump all information into one messy thread.
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Post by WYBS on Jul 22, 2023 0:38:23 GMT 1
I don't suppose anyone knows the whereabouts of MyBus BMC Condor YK06 DAO (68647). It was a First Bradford vehicle and then CT Plus up until they went bust.
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Post by Username on Jul 22, 2023 5:31:38 GMT 1
I can't help but thinking quite a few of the posts on this thread would be better suited in already existing threads. Eg. ZEBRA discussion and questions about individual Arriva and First vehicles. I thought the purpose of this thread was to discuss things that don't fit into other specific threads. This particular forum is fantastic because of how specific and organised it can be, and (almost always) is; unlike other forums such as RailUK and Mersey Dennis Dart; which just dump all information into one messy thread. The ZEBRA is relevant as this is called fleet discussion and ZEBRA funded buses are to be in the fleet so we are on topic.
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Post by WYBS on Jul 22, 2023 16:11:52 GMT 1
I can't help but thinking quite a few of the posts on this thread would be better suited in already existing threads. Eg. ZEBRA discussion and questions about individual Arriva and First vehicles. I thought the purpose of this thread was to discuss things that don't fit into other specific threads. This particular forum is fantastic because of how specific and organised it can be, and (almost always) is; unlike other forums such as RailUK and Mersey Dennis Dart; which just dump all information into one messy thread. The ZEBRA is relevant as this is called fleet discussion and ZEBRA funded buses are to be in the fleet so we are on topic. It should either go in the ZEBRA thread, or the First fleet changes thread. The topic is directly relevant to threads that already exist.
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Post by mattb7tl on Sept 21, 2023 0:11:04 GMT 1
Is it safe to assume that the electroliners will be for the guideways? I've just come across Fastway, a route (or brand) by Metrobus. It runs with Hydroliners, fitted with guidewheels. It is a different technology to electric but how similar would the chassis of the vehicles be between those two types of vehicles? I believe it was mentioned that the chassis made the streetdecks incapable of having guidewheels fitted.
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Post by kendall17 on Sept 21, 2023 17:19:17 GMT 1
Guideways are likely to go. Too expensive to maintain & too much of a pain to replace vehicles.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2023 17:44:32 GMT 1
Is it safe to assume that the electroliners will be for the guideways? I've just come across Fastway, a route (or brand) by Metrobus. It runs with Hydroliners, fitted with guidewheels. It is a different technology to electric but how similar would the chassis of the vehicles be between those two types of vehicles? I believe it was mentioned that the chassis made the streetdecks incapable of having guidewheels fitted. Electric Streetdecks should be ok for Guideways, as like the Hydrogens they are built on a heavier chassis (due to carrying the fuel cells/batteries) compared to the Diesel version what is lightweight hence why they cannot be used. Guideways require heavy weight vehicles to handle the J-Beam what connects the Guidewheel to the bus, otherwise it just falls out & shreds the front wheels like what happened to a couple of Arrivas Tempos when first new on the 163/6. As the busway on York Rd is still planned to be removed at some point it might not matter much anyway (assuming the electric Streetdecks are to finally upgrade routes 40/56).
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Post by mattb7tl on Sept 21, 2023 18:41:19 GMT 1
Is it safe to assume that the electroliners will be for the guideways? I've just come across Fastway, a route (or brand) by Metrobus. It runs with Hydroliners, fitted with guidewheels. It is a different technology to electric but how similar would the chassis of the vehicles be between those two types of vehicles? I believe it was mentioned that the chassis made the streetdecks incapable of having guidewheels fitted. Electric Streetdecks should be ok for Guideways, as like the Hydrogens they are built on a heavier chassis (due to carrying the fuel cells/batteries) compared to the Diesel version what is lightweight hence why they cannot be used. Guideways require heavy weight vehicles to handle the J-Beam what connects the Guidewheel to the bus, otherwise it just falls out & shreds the front wheels like what happened to a couple of Arrivas Tempos when first new on the 163/6. As the busway on York Rd is still planned to be removed at some point it might not matter much anyway (assuming the electric Streetdecks are to finally upgrade routes 40/56). Thanks. Those guideway plans have been very quiet for a while now. I doubt they will even start to remove them within the next few years. I've always thought they were silly and slower than a normal bus lane, would be happy to see them removed in place of a high quality, enforced bus lane.
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Sept 21, 2023 20:35:10 GMT 1
Will the Manchester Road guideway in Bradford be going as well as the Leeds ones? The newest buses that can use it are the 13 reg B7RLEs
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2023 20:50:48 GMT 1
Will the Manchester Road guideway in Bradford be going as well as the Leeds ones? The newest buses that can use it are the 13 reg B7RLEs Possibly, there was a consultation over removing it as part of the 'South Bradford P&R and Expressway' but as of yet no funding has been approved for it.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Sept 21, 2023 21:12:31 GMT 1
Is it safe to assume that the electroliners will be for the guideways? I've just come across Fastway, a route (or brand) by Metrobus. It runs with Hydroliners, fitted with guidewheels. It is a different technology to electric but how similar would the chassis of the vehicles be between those two types of vehicles? I believe it was mentioned that the chassis made the streetdecks incapable of having guidewheels fitted. Electric Streetdecks should be ok for Guideways, as like the Hydrogens they are built on a heavier chassis (due to carrying the fuel cells/batteries) compared to the Diesel version what is lightweight hence why they cannot be used. Guideways require heavy weight vehicles to handle the J-Beam what connects the Guidewheel to the bus, otherwise it just falls out & shreds the front wheels like what happened to a couple of Arrivas Tempos when first new on the 163/6. As the busway on York Rd is still planned to be removed at some point it might not matter much anyway (assuming the electric Streetdecks are to finally upgrade routes 40/56). The problem with the streetdecks are that the front axle extends too far out than Volvos - too wide if you will. So with the guidewheels on they were then too wide to fit in the guideway and got stuck. Not sure which streetdeck was tested as it was on trade plates at the time. If you look at the front wheels on a Volvo for example you'll see they're set further into the body where on the streetdeck the wheels are pretty much inline with the bodywork.
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Post by mattb7tl on Sept 27, 2023 13:26:47 GMT 1
Putting this here until more is confirmed... Halifax is apparently getting more Enviro's, with some of the B9s being sold on, or going on school work.
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Post by Danny on Sept 27, 2023 16:39:02 GMT 1
Putting this here until more is confirmed... Halifax is apparently getting more Enviro's, with some of the B9s being sold on, or going on school work. Enviro 200s & 400s The 2007/8 E5 B9TLs will be moving on & some 2009 Euro 6s to the South
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Post by mattb7tl on Sept 27, 2023 17:56:31 GMT 1
Putting this here until more is confirmed... Halifax is apparently getting more Enviro's, with some of the B9s being sold on, or going on school work. Enviro 200s & 400s The 2007/8 E5 B9TLs will be moving on & some 2009 Euro 6s to the South That's exciting as well as a tad bit worrying. Enviro's are certainly not built equally, you never know what to expect. I hope at the very minimum the Enviro 200s are fitted with Allison's? Is it the same for Huddersfield, or just Halifax?
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Post by Danny on Sept 28, 2023 5:44:15 GMT 1
Enviro 200s & 400s The 2007/8 E5 B9TLs will be moving on & some 2009 Euro 6s to the South That's exciting as well as a tad bit worrying. Enviro's are certainly not built equally, you never know what to expect. I hope at the very minimum the Enviro 200s are fitted with Allison's? Is it the same for Huddersfield, or just Halifax?Β No, just Halifax
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Post by smithy on Sept 28, 2023 9:23:14 GMT 1
Are first struggling for double deckers in both Leeds depots as 42s has had a lot of single deckers and yesterday a 42 with a crack in the top deck window was took out of service but no replacement was send out
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Post by mattb7tl on Oct 28, 2023 18:03:47 GMT 1
It's rumoured those Enviros 200s are MMCs! If true, a welcome improvement, but with MMCs, it all relies on the gearbox. I was wondering if anybody knows whether this is true or not?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2023 18:52:08 GMT 1
It's rumoured those Enviros 200s are MMCs! If true, a welcome improvement, but with MMCs, it all relies on the gearbox. I was wondering if anybody knows whether this is true or not? Has it been said where abouts they are coming from? The only E400MMCs I can think of that might be up for transfer soon are the handful of New to Yellowbus examples currently in Norwich (34421-25), once all the new electrics have arrived.
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Post by mattb7tl on Oct 28, 2023 19:07:48 GMT 1
It's rumoured those Enviros 200s are MMCs! If true, a welcome improvement, but with MMCs, it all relies on the gearbox. I was wondering if anybody knows whether this is true or not? Has it been said where abouts they are coming from? The only E400MMCs I can think of that might be up for transfer soon are the handful of New to Yellowbus examples currently in Norwich (34421-25), once all the new electrics have arrived. Not sure I've only heard about the singles being MMCs. It could just be the regular version for the deckers and even then this comes from a post on Facebook! I normally wouldn't give rumours like that the time of day but it could have some credibility due to the post from Danny, in this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2023 19:53:38 GMT 1
Has it been said where abouts they are coming from? The only E400MMCs I can think of that might be up for transfer soon are the handful of New to Yellowbus examples currently in Norwich (34421-25), once all the new electrics have arrived. Not sure I've only heard about the singles being MMCs. It could just be the regular version for the deckers and even then this comes from a post on Facebook! I normally wouldn't give rumours like that the time of day but it could have some credibility due to the post from Danny, in this thread. Only the single deckers being MMCs would make sense, as Rochdale 'Bee Network' is expected to get some ex-First Glasgow examples so it might be possible they send a batch down to Halifax as well. Classic E400s would make sense as well as there's the Oldham & Leicester batches that will be going spare in the coming months.
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Post by mattb7tl on Oct 28, 2023 20:08:02 GMT 1
Not sure I've only heard about the singles being MMCs. It could just be the regular version for the deckers and even then this comes from a post on Facebook! I normally wouldn't give rumours like that the time of day but it could have some credibility due to the post from Danny, in this thread. Only the single deckers being MMCs would make sense, as Rochdale 'Bee Network' is expected to get some ex-First Glasgow examples so it might be possible they send a batch down to Halifax as well. Classic E400s would make sense as well as there's the Oldham & Leicester batches that will be going spare in the coming months. Whoops, correction, the post says First South West or (I think, since it pops up when you search FSW on bus times? Cymru, which has some major major bus cuts, even more plausible! I presume a chunk of vehicles will fly up and down the first empire in that case.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 28, 2023 21:10:38 GMT 1
First South West donβt have any MMCs besides 4 mini E200s, and I doubt they are going anywhere
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