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Post by SF07 on Feb 22, 2023 17:17:09 GMT 1
Cancellations have appeared for Team Pennine's services 262 and 319. Majority of the routes covered by Arriva service 261 and First service 306.
PB2044957/27 Cancelled
TEAM PENNINE LIMITED
Route: Huddersfield Bus Station to Huddersfield Bus Station via Taylor Hill
Service number: 319
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023
PB2044957/34 Cancelled
TEAM PENNINE LIMITED
Route: Huddersfield Bus Station to Kirkheaton
Service number: 262
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023
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Post by stephen01 on Feb 22, 2023 17:32:28 GMT 1
Cancellations have appeared for Team Pennine's services 262 and 319. Majority of the routes covered by Arriva service 261 and First service 306. PB2044957/27 Cancelled TEAM PENNINE LIMITED Route: Huddersfield Bus Station to Huddersfield Bus Station via Taylor Hill Service number: 319 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 02 Apr 2023 PB2044957/34 Cancelled TEAM PENNINE LIMITED Route: Huddersfield Bus Station to Kirkheaton Service number: 262 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 02 Apr 2023 The 262 was always a ploy to stop complainers on the route from when buses used to run at limited Capacity during the pandemic. As for the 319 it was to be expected as every day there's regular cancelled trips still. Also parts of 262 is also covered by 260 as well as 261. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 22, 2023 18:17:04 GMT 1
The 319 routinely has large numbers of trips cancelled, sometimes it can be pretty much the entire days service
For example today
HuddsQuick 319
Huddersfield to Newsome Then Berry Brow 6.50am, 7.30am, 8.10am,8.50am, 9.10am, 9.30am, 9.50am, 10.10am, 10.30am, 10.50am, 11.10am, 11.50am, 12.30pm, 1.10pm,1.50pm, 2.30pm, 3.10pm, 3.50pm, 4.30pm, 5.10pm, 5.50pm
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Post by stephen01 on Feb 22, 2023 21:16:34 GMT 1
The 319 routinely has large numbers of trips cancelled, sometimes it can be pretty much the entire days service For example today HuddsQuick 319 Huddersfield to Newsome Then Berry Brow 6.50am, 7.30am, 8.10am,8.50am, 9.10am, 9.30am, 9.50am, 10.10am, 10.30am, 10.50am, 11.10am, 11.50am, 12.30pm, 1.10pm,1.50pm, 2.30pm, 3.10pm, 3.50pm, 4.30pm, 5.10pm, 5.50pm that's 2 full boards there. |
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Post by SCH117X on Feb 22, 2023 22:01:39 GMT 1
Amazing the 319 has been persisted with for so long given its a dup of Firsts 306 and its non running causes negligible inconvenience other than having a 20 min gap rather than a 10 min gap.
Currently in York and North Yorkshire (plus Wetherby) the only services with tender bids being sought are the 12, 13 and 412 for five years
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Post by stevieinselby on Feb 22, 2023 23:46:07 GMT 1
Currently in York and North Yorkshire (plus Wetherby) the only services with tender bids being sought are the 12, 13 and 412 for five years Notable that those are services where the commercial service has been withdrawn (wholly or partially) and so they are outside the normal tendering cycle. Contracts for Selby were awarded recently, wef April 2023. Not sure what the length of the contracts is. No change to the 5, 8, 37, 42, 408/409, 476, 486, 488, 492, 493, 495 and 496. The 1 will now be run by East Yorkshire, not Thornes, and will only run one journey in each direction with the 1020 from Selby being dropped. |
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Post by mattb7tl on Feb 22, 2023 23:49:51 GMT 1
I don’t blame them with the 319… The 262? I knew something was off when all of a sudden it started to not receive priority with all of the cancellations.
I do really respect them for trying. I hope this doesn’t stop them from experimenting with routes in the future. I wonder if it is to do with it not being supported by a subsidy?
It had decent loadings from my observations.
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Post by mattb7tl on Feb 23, 2023 13:47:50 GMT 1
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Post by SF07 on Feb 23, 2023 16:00:04 GMT 1
Agree with the maintenance side of things. Does feel like First Manchester are basically trying to nurse the buses through until next Spring with minimal effort as possible before franchising starts in the Oldham area (from 31 March 2024). They have tried to smarten some of the buses recently since the management switched to the Midlands region with some repaints of the livery.
The 184 was originally included in the Bee Network proposals, so could be interesting to see if GMCA are aware of First's switch of depots (there is a GMCA Bus Committee meeting next month, so would imagine there should be a mention in the documents). Did feel like if First wanted to carry on running the service and keep it integrated within the Colne Valley network of the 181/183/185, then First would start running some/all of the journeys from Huddersfield depot.
Should imagine the transfer to Huddersfield depot will see changes to the early morning and late afternoon/early evening journeys, as the service will now start/end from the Huddersfield end rather than Oldham. I would guess that there'll be an earlier final departure from Huddersfield and later final departure from Oldham.
Also be interesting to see if the two Nexus Move journeys between Oldham and Diggle/Marsden will continue to be operated by them or if they transfer to First Huddersfield.
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Post by Burnside on Feb 25, 2023 7:48:36 GMT 1
Debate and conversation about subjects is good and welcome, but I'm becoming aware of a number of threads where we are drifting considerably off topic. In regards to the posts above, I've created a new thread specifically for discussing any bias (both positive and negative) people may have regarding any particular bus operator. Please use it (link below) and keep this thread for April service changes. Thanks. travelwestyorks.proboards.com/thread/6473/bias-any-companies |
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Post by joseph on Feb 25, 2023 8:49:13 GMT 1
To start off getting things back on track, the Summer Dales network has started to be announced, details attached in the link which includes a re-numbering of the 884 to 864 to tie in with the 64. www.dalesbus.org/summer.html |
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Post by stephen01 on Feb 25, 2023 10:43:30 GMT 1
To start off getting things back on track, the Summer Dales network has started to be announced, details attached in the link which includes a re-numbering of the 884 to 864 to tie in with the 64. www.dalesbus.org/summer.htmlbelieve that could be a typo when the page has been set up as the map still shows 884. |
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Post by stevieinselby on Feb 25, 2023 12:27:25 GMT 1
To start off getting things back on track, the Summer Dales network has started to be announced, details attached in the link which includes a re-numbering of the 884 to 864 to tie in with the 64. www.dalesbus.org/summer.htmlbelieve that could be a typo when the page has been set up as the map still shows 884. It says "A summer season network map for 2022 is available here (PDF file) - a 2023 version will be available in Spring 2023." |
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Post by deerfold on Feb 25, 2023 14:15:23 GMT 1
To start off getting things back on track, the Summer Dales network has started to be announced, details attached in the link which includes a re-numbering of the 884 to 864 to tie in with the 64. www.dalesbus.org/summer.htmlbelieve that could be a typo when the page has been set up as the map still shows 884. If it is, it's repeated throughout the new timetable. |
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Post by stephen01 on Feb 25, 2023 14:25:42 GMT 1
believe that could be a typo when the page has been set up as the map still shows 884. It says "A summer season network map for 2022 is available here (PDF file) - a 2023 version will be available in Spring 2023." well it transpires that NONE of the routes have been confirmed by TC according to a tweet by Reliance. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 25, 2023 22:31:25 GMT 1
Agree with the maintenance side of things. Does feel like First Manchester are basically trying to nurse the buses through until next Spring with minimal effort as possible before franchising starts in the Oldham area (from 31 March 2024). They have tried to smarten some of the buses recently since the management switched to the Midlands region with some repaints of the livery. The 184 was originally included in the Bee Network proposals, so could be interesting to see if GMCA are aware of First's switch of depots (there is a GMCA Bus Committee meeting next month, so would imagine there should be a mention in the documents). Did feel like if First wanted to carry on running the service and keep it integrated within the Colne Valley network of the 181/183/185, then First would start running some/all of the journeys from Huddersfield depot. Should imagine the transfer to Huddersfield depot will see changes to the early morning and late afternoon/early evening journeys, as the service will now start/end from the Huddersfield end rather than Oldham. I would guess that there'll be an earlier final departure from Huddersfield and later final departure from Oldham. Also be interesting to see if the two Nexus Move journeys between Oldham and Diggle/Marsden will continue to be operated by them or if they transfer to First Huddersfield. I had a rid on the 184 today for the first time in years, and I notice it now goes round the houses on the approach to Oldham rather than straight down the main road, presumably replacing some sort of previous service that was withdrawn, so it’s a different route to learn than when Huddersfield ran it before Also I noticed that if it did run via Hard End it would basically mean two bus stops near a bit of terraced housing above Marsden would be the only populated bus stops no longer served. The rest of it is bus stops in the middle of nowhere |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2023 22:46:03 GMT 1
Agree with the maintenance side of things. Does feel like First Manchester are basically trying to nurse the buses through until next Spring with minimal effort as possible before franchising starts in the Oldham area (from 31 March 2024). They have tried to smarten some of the buses recently since the management switched to the Midlands region with some repaints of the livery. The 184 was originally included in the Bee Network proposals, so could be interesting to see if GMCA are aware of First's switch of depots (there is a GMCA Bus Committee meeting next month, so would imagine there should be a mention in the documents). Did feel like if First wanted to carry on running the service and keep it integrated within the Colne Valley network of the 181/183/185, then First would start running some/all of the journeys from Huddersfield depot. Should imagine the transfer to Huddersfield depot will see changes to the early morning and late afternoon/early evening journeys, as the service will now start/end from the Huddersfield end rather than Oldham. I would guess that there'll be an earlier final departure from Huddersfield and later final departure from Oldham. Also be interesting to see if the two Nexus Move journeys between Oldham and Diggle/Marsden will continue to be operated by them or if they transfer to First Huddersfield. I had a rid on the 184 today for the first time in years, and I notice it now goes round the houses on the approach to Oldham rather than straight down the main road, presumably replacing some sort of previous service that was withdrawn, so it’s a different route to learn than when Huddersfield ran it before Also I noticed that if it did run via Hard End it would basically mean two bus stops near a bit of terraced housing above Marsden would be the only populated bus stops no longer served. The rest of it is bus stops in the middle of nowhere The 184 was re-routed via Greenacres into Oldham during 2020 replacing Service 80 - Although long term it might get reverted back to going direct, as once Franchising arrives in Oldham it's being based on the 2019 network (Driver numbers pending), so I assume that would include service 80 returning. |
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Post by michael1971 on Feb 26, 2023 9:06:03 GMT 1
Agree with the maintenance side of things. Does feel like First Manchester are basically trying to nurse the buses through until next Spring with minimal effort as possible before franchising starts in the Oldham area (from 31 March 2024). They have tried to smarten some of the buses recently since the management switched to the Midlands region with some repaints of the livery. The 184 was originally included in the Bee Network proposals, so could be interesting to see if GMCA are aware of First's switch of depots (there is a GMCA Bus Committee meeting next month, so would imagine there should be a mention in the documents). Did feel like if First wanted to carry on running the service and keep it integrated within the Colne Valley network of the 181/183/185, then First would start running some/all of the journeys from Huddersfield depot. Should imagine the transfer to Huddersfield depot will see changes to the early morning and late afternoon/early evening journeys, as the service will now start/end from the Huddersfield end rather than Oldham. I would guess that there'll be an earlier final departure from Huddersfield and later final departure from Oldham. Also be interesting to see if the two Nexus Move journeys between Oldham and Diggle/Marsden will continue to be operated by them or if they transfer to First Huddersfield. I had a rid on the 184 today for the first time in years, and I notice it now goes round the houses on the approach to Oldham rather than straight down the main road, presumably replacing some sort of previous service that was withdrawn, so it’s a different route to learn than when Huddersfield ran it before Also I noticed that if it did run via Hard End it would basically mean two bus stops near a bit of terraced housing above Marsden would be the only populated bus stops no longer served. The rest of it is bus stops in the middle of nowhere saw a 184 broken down in Diggle yestaday aswell hope Huddersfield put some newer ones on |
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Post by michael1971 on Feb 26, 2023 9:07:14 GMT 1
Agree with the maintenance side of things. Does feel like First Manchester are basically trying to nurse the buses through until next Spring with minimal effort as possible before franchising starts in the Oldham area (from 31 March 2024). They have tried to smarten some of the buses recently since the management switched to the Midlands region with some repaints of the livery. The 184 was originally included in the Bee Network proposals, so could be interesting to see if GMCA are aware of First's switch of depots (there is a GMCA Bus Committee meeting next month, so would imagine there should be a mention in the documents). Did feel like if First wanted to carry on running the service and keep it integrated within the Colne Valley network of the 181/183/185, then First would start running some/all of the journeys from Huddersfield depot. Should imagine the transfer to Huddersfield depot will see changes to the early morning and late afternoon/early evening journeys, as the service will now start/end from the Huddersfield end rather than Oldham. I would guess that there'll be an earlier final departure from Huddersfield and later final departure from Oldham. Also be interesting to see if the two Nexus Move journeys between Oldham and Diggle/Marsden will continue to be operated by them or if they transfer to First Huddersfield. I had a rid on the 184 today for the first time in years, and I notice it now goes round the houses on the approach to Oldham rather than straight down the main road, presumably replacing some sort of previous service that was withdrawn, so it’s a different route to learn than when Huddersfield ran it before Also I noticed that if it did run via Hard End it would basically mean two bus stops near a bit of terraced housing above Marsden would be the only populated bus stops no longer served. The rest of it is bus stops in the middle of nowhere when Huddersfield take over will they have to use the Euro 6 spec buses i ask this as the clean air rule is still under review over here |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 26, 2023 15:37:24 GMT 1
It’ll be B9TL/Gemini presumably, pretty much the same as what Oldham use.
Finding individual vehicles that make easy weather of the steep climbs will be more important
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 15:59:27 GMT 1
It’ll be B9TL/Gemini presumably, pretty much the same as what Oldham use. Finding individual vehicles that make easy weather of the steep climbs will be more important Have all of Huddersfield B9s been upgraded to Euro 6? Greater Manchester has got a clean air zone coming in so that would affect what vehicles can be used (The Ex-London G2s would be upgraded, I'd assume the Ex-Leeds G1s as well plus the ex-X63 branded examples) |
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Post by Jagga on Feb 26, 2023 16:25:04 GMT 1
It’ll be B9TL/Gemini presumably, pretty much the same as what Oldham use. Finding individual vehicles that make easy weather of the steep climbs will be more important Have all of Huddersfield B9s been upgraded to Euro 6? Greater Manchester has got a clean air zone coming in so that would affect what vehicles can be used (The Ex-London G2s would be upgraded, I'd assume the Ex-Leeds G1s as well plus the ex-X63 branded examples) Most have- the one's on X63s Blue HD Connect ones & G2s are E6. |
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Post by michael1971 on Feb 26, 2023 18:58:48 GMT 1
It’ll be B9TL/Gemini presumably, pretty much the same as what Oldham use. Finding individual vehicles that make easy weather of the steep climbs will be more important Have all of Huddersfield B9s been upgraded to Euro 6? Greater Manchester has got a clean air zone coming in so that would affect what vehicles can be used (The Ex-London G2s would be upgraded, I'd assume the Ex-Leeds G1s as well plus the ex-X63 branded examples) 37291 to 96 37083 to 87 37727 and 31 are Euro 6 spec at Huddersfield |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 26, 2023 20:24:05 GMT 1
The Manchester clean air zone review will probably drag on for years anyway, so it’s not an urgent problem
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Post by 77syk7 on Mar 1, 2023 10:33:52 GMT 1
It seems as though we are going to see another round of bus cuts made by Firstbus from April 3rd.
6 routes in Leeds (9/9A etc) are mentioned in the 'West Leeds Dispatch' and the changes to the Colne Valley (181-185) are also listed.
Other routes will have frequency reductions with hints of further cuts to be made in other parts of West Yorks.
Of particular interest to me is the mention of the 508 - predict it will reduce to hourly daytime and / or evening services withdrawn.
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