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Post by ianigsy on Sept 3, 2022 11:57:14 GMT 1
I'm guessing the route takeover could've been planned before the funding extension in that case. Must have been. I'm surprised First didn't just give up the X84 as well to Transdev. It is the perfect route for them. We can dream, although I wouldn’t be surprised if First insisted on extending the limited stop rules to the Lawnswood Arms if that ever happened. I suspect that if Transdev had known that this was coming, they wouldn’t have cut the 64 back completely. There are not a few Otley students who’ve taken places at Craven College in the expectation that there’d be a through bus to Skipton and as things stand, it’s going to have to be Menston and the train for them.
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Post by FUM 492Y on Sept 3, 2022 12:22:05 GMT 1
The X84 will still run to Ilkley until March 2023 according to a reliable source at First
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Post by SF07 on Sept 3, 2022 18:52:48 GMT 1
Probably doesn't come as too much surprise after the service ended up being reduced to a peak-time service, but looks like the X10 will be fully withdrawn from next month.
PB0000092/308 Cancelled THE YORKSHIRE TRACTION CO LTD Route: Barnsley to Leeds Service number: X10 (X10) Service type: Limited Stop Effective date: 01 Oct 2022
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Post by deerfold on Sept 3, 2022 19:14:49 GMT 1
I can confirm that services X98/X99 will be operated by York depot. There will be a small change to the Cityzap which is still yet to be confirmed to us. E400MMCs are to be used including some surplus Manchester ones Then why are they on Transdev Harrogate rather than York. Probably for the same reason the 64 is on the Keighley website (and why the MR should be repeated on the Keighley site) - it makes sense for customers.
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Post by deerfold on Sept 3, 2022 19:18:07 GMT 1
Must have been. I'm surprised First didn't just give up the X84 as well to Transdev. It is the perfect route for them. We can dream, although I wouldn’t be surprised if First insisted on extending the limited stop rules to the Lawnswood Arms if that ever happened. I suspect that if Transdev had known that this was coming, they wouldn’t have cut the 64 back completely. There are not a few Otley students who’ve taken places at Craven College in the expectation that there’d be a through bus to Skipton and as things stand, it’s going to have to be Menston and the train for them. The registration cancelling the X84 beyond Otley has disappeared. www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/592895/
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Post by LukePA on Sept 3, 2022 21:05:02 GMT 1
Transdev York are moving depots in the next 6 months from Fulford to Rawcliffe Bar (Next to the P&R) so will be a bit less mileage for us. I will ask my manager for more confirmation the next time I see him.
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Post by yorkslad on Sept 4, 2022 18:43:10 GMT 1
Interestingly two South Leeds councillors have posted about the withdrawal of the 46/7 and 86 services as if they are happening, yet the registration to the traffic commissioners on bus times seems to have been deleted. Do the councillors know something we don't? The clue is in the question, I guess. No
If the bus funding had been extended in good time these registrations wouldn't have gone in to confuse people. Now they're all being cancelled, but of course people don't look at the changed news they just stick with the what they think they know. Harrumph.
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Post by JoeFell121 on Sept 6, 2022 18:54:44 GMT 1
Timetable for the 200/201/201A are on Metros website. Looks like the 200 will be extended to Heckmondwike via Hightown Road. The frequency looks slightly strange with some journeys having an 8 minute gap (Example is the 200 at 1303 towards Leeds next service the 201 at 1311) and some having a 22 minute gap (201 at 1341 towards Leeds next service the 200 to Leeds at 1403).
118 also online and confirms it will be running Wakefield - White Rose Centre Only with the 118A/118S still running through to Leeds
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Post by joseph on Sept 6, 2022 19:22:36 GMT 1
The new 118A timetable has to be the most wasteful timetable I've seen, 10 mins behind a 118 from Wakefield, and just 3 mins behind one from White Rose, considering Leeds to White Rose has many different links I don't see why it's needed
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Post by twy7 on Sept 6, 2022 19:30:34 GMT 1
The new 118A timetable has to be the most wasteful timetable I've seen, 10 mins behind a 118 from Wakefield, and just 3 mins behind one from White Rose, considering Leeds to White Rose has many different links I don't see why it's needed Wow that can not be right! It would be very weird.
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Post by 69340 on Sept 6, 2022 20:50:59 GMT 1
Upcoming timetable for 111 is on metro website
Mon-Fri Wakefield to Pinderfields The 0835 trip to J41 looks to have been removed
111 starts earlier at 0519 instead of 0835 111 finishes later at 2219 instead of 2000
Mon-Fri Pinderfields to Wakefield The 1715 trip from J41 looks to have been removed
111 Starts earlier at 0531 instead of 0918 111 Finishes later at 2231 instead of 2008 The Frequency both ways has also been decreased to run every 30 minutes with it decreasing further to hourly from 1719 departure from Wakefield
Sat Wakefield to Pinderfields 111 starts earlier at 0619 instead of 1100 111 finishes later at 2219 instead of 2000
Sat Pinderfields to Wakefield 111 Starts earlier at 0631 instead of 1108 111 Finishes later at 2231 instead of 2008 The Frequency both ways has also been decreased to run every 30 minutes with it decreasing further to hourly from 1719 departure from Wakefield
Sun Wakefield to Pinderfields 111 Starts earlier at 0919 instead of 1100 111 finishes later at 2219 instead of 1640
Sun Pinderfields to Wakefield 111 Starts earlier at 0931 instead of 1108 111 finishes later at 2231 instead of 1648 Frequency is hourly
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Post by mk2mcw on Sept 8, 2022 2:13:31 GMT 1
First leeds insist via the YEP that services 46/86 will NOT be withdrawn in October
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 9, 2022 17:54:56 GMT 1
I actually think the North Kirklees changes are actually pretty positive, not so much on a Sunday, but the rest of the week doesn’t seem like a service cut and there are some good improvements
The 260 running via Colne Bridge is interesting, has there ever been a public service bus on that route.
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Post by mattb7tl on Sept 9, 2022 18:13:57 GMT 1
I don't use many services from Arriva, but they just made the 229 MUCH more appealing!
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Post by tinrocket on Sept 9, 2022 18:23:25 GMT 1
Wish the same could be said for the 163/166! Reduced service on an evening and no buses at all along Fairburn Drive in favour of sending the 164 down Sturton Lane where there's already the 19/19A.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2022 18:38:44 GMT 1
Sending 254 to Brighouse is an interesting move,almost recreating the original 255 route. The 200/1 'Circular' route is a good move,if abit risky for reliability only having 5minutes layover at the Heckmondwike end especially at peak times.
I'm guessing Arriva might of got some funding from Moor Park 25 towards the 229/261 changes,i'm a little surprised they've not renumbered the 229 into the 20* series as well. In Garforth i'm also surprised they've fully cut Fairburn Dr off,surely they could of diverted 175 around it so there would be some sort of service provided.
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Sept 9, 2022 18:53:07 GMT 1
Sending 254 to Brighouse is an interesting move,almost recreating the original 255 route. The 200/1 'Circular' route is a good move,if abit risky for reliability only having 5minutes layover at the Heckmondwike end especially at peak times. I'm guessing Arriva might of got some funding from Moor Park 25 towards the 229/261 changes,i'm a little surprised they've not renumbered the 229 into the 20* series as well. In Garforth i'm also surprised they've fully cut Fairburn Dr off,surely they could of diverted 175 around it so there would be some sort of service provided. You mean the old 225 Unfortunately, on evenings, the current 254A will be renumbered just 254 and terminate at Cleckheaton from Leeds not serving Scholes.
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Post by Username on Sept 9, 2022 19:19:13 GMT 1
Sending 254 to Brighouse is an interesting move,almost recreating the original 255 route. The 200/1 'Circular' route is a good move,if abit risky for reliability only having 5minutes layover at the Heckmondwike end especially at peak times. I'm guessing Arriva might of got some funding from Moor Park 25 towards the 229/261 changes,i'm a little surprised they've not renumbered the 229 into the 20* series as well. In Garforth i'm also surprised they've fully cut Fairburn Dr off,surely they could of diverted 175 around it so there would be some sort of service provided. You mean the old 225 Unfortunately, on evenings, the current 254A will be renumbered just 254 and terminate at Cleckheaton from Leeds not serving Scholes. I think there was an actual 255 timetable that served Brighouse at one point. However I do believe they should have provided Scholes with an evening run maybe to run hourly between Halifax and Cleckheaton or Leeds and Scholes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2022 19:37:12 GMT 1
Sending 254 to Brighouse is an interesting move,almost recreating the original 255 route. The 200/1 'Circular' route is a good move,if abit risky for reliability only having 5minutes layover at the Heckmondwike end especially at peak times. I'm guessing Arriva might of got some funding from Moor Park 25 towards the 229/261 changes,i'm a little surprised they've not renumbered the 229 into the 20* series as well. In Garforth i'm also surprised they've fully cut Fairburn Dr off,surely they could of diverted 175 around it so there would be some sort of service provided. You mean the old 225 Unfortunately, on evenings, the current 254A will be renumbered just 254 and terminate at Cleckheaton from Leeds not serving Scholes. When the 255 was first introduced it operated to Brighouse via Scholes replacing the daytime 225 services (225 remained as an afternoon peak service from Leeds) until 2009,where it was rerouted to Halifax from Scholes via it's current route (partly replacing 227?) I Think the 256 went to hourly to replace the Brighouse section at the time. The evening journeys via Scholes are a Metro Contract as its been operated by other companies before,so it might be someone else has won the contract & it's still to be announced.
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Post by yorkslad on Sept 9, 2022 21:14:45 GMT 1
Wish the same could be said for the 163/166! Reduced service on an evening and no buses at all along Fairburn Drive in favour of sending the 164 down Sturton Lane where there's already the 19/19A. So... there's actually competition in the market?
Come the Franchising Revolution things like that wouldn't be allowed to happen, of course. But that's years away.
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Post by jst on Sept 9, 2022 22:21:26 GMT 1
Wish the same could be said for the 163/166! Reduced service on an evening and no buses at all along Fairburn Drive in favour of sending the 164 down Sturton Lane where there's already the 19/19A. East Leeds changes are a disgrace. Halving the morning and evening frequency, 2 hour later service start on a Sunday on 163, Fairburn Drive cut off altogether, Little Preston cut off, everywhere beyond Garforth Main St cut off from Seacroft Hospital, chunks of Allerton Bywater left without buses to Kippax and Garforth. An absolute joke.
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Post by WYBS on Sept 9, 2022 23:07:09 GMT 1
What do people want from a bus route?
I imagine that a solid service and network that doesn't change at the drop of a hat will be somewhere near the top of the list.
It's now beyond me why anyone who has access to a car would choose to use a bus anymore.
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Post by pub146g on Sept 10, 2022 1:40:36 GMT 1
What do people want from a bus route? I imagine that a solid service and network that doesn't change at the drop of a hat will be somewhere near the top of the list. It's now beyond me why anyone who has access to a car would choose to use a bus anymore. Well, I gave up my car in 1998 purely because I’m a bus person through and through, even when I had the car I probably used the bus more than I used my car and in all honesty I haven’t really missed having a car. Using public transport from North Leeds I’ve never had a problem getting to wherever I need to be, whether local or afar. Yes, timetables change, routes sometimes change but do you know what? I just adapt and get on with my day. Now, I know it’s fashionable to slag off public transport and don’t get me wrong, sometimes it’s justified, but to be forever whinging as some folk do, particularly in the T & A and YEP, and on this forum I just find tedious and boring. Whilst I’m not overly familiar with the Arriva routes in question the fact is if not enough folk use the bus then the timetable will probably change and before we get on about promoting services to entice new users we have to accept that some areas are almost 100% car centric and the folk in those areas just will not use the bus, even if it stopped at their garden gate to pick them up personally. Many people won’t use the bus due to the perception of bus travel they have grown up to believe; Safety concerns, anti-social behaviour, uneasiness about sitting next to anyone they did not know, personal hygiene of other passengers etc etc. Believe me these are all reasons why many folk won’t use public transport, much research has been carried out on this and can easily be found doing a quick Google. Now, me being a seasoned bus traveller I can discount most of those perceptions but it’s a fact this is a major barrier to attracting new users.
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Post by WYBS on Sept 10, 2022 7:00:29 GMT 1
What do people want from a bus route? I imagine that a solid service and network that doesn't change at the drop of a hat will be somewhere near the top of the list. It's now beyond me why anyone who has access to a car would choose to use a bus anymore. Well, I gave up my car in 1998 purely because I’m a bus person through and through, even when I had the car I probably used the bus more than I used my car and in all honesty I haven’t really missed having a car. Using public transport from North Leeds I’ve never had a problem getting to wherever I need to be, whether local or afar. Yes, timetables change, routes sometimes change but do you know what? I just adapt and get on with my day. Now, I know it’s fashionable to slag off public transport and don’t get me wrong, sometimes it’s justified, but to be forever whinging as some folk do, particularly in the T & A and YEP, and on this forum I just find tedious and boring. Whilst I’m not overly familiar with the Arriva routes in question the fact is if not enough folk use the bus then the timetable will probably change and before we get on about promoting services to entice new users we have to accept that some areas are almost 100% car centric and the folk in those areas just will not use the bus, even if it stopped at their garden gate to pick them up personally. Many people won’t use the bus due to the perception of bus travel they have grown up to believe; Safety concerns, anti-social behaviour, uneasiness about sitting next to anyone they did not know, personal hygiene of other passengers etc etc. Believe me these are all reasons why many folk won’t use public transport, much research has been carried out on this and can easily be found doing a quick Google. Now, me being a seasoned bus traveller I can discount most of those perceptions but it’s a fact this is a major barrier to attracting new users. I used to use buses to get absolutely everywhere for years and a was a huge advocate of public transport. However in the past couple of years it has become too much of a hassle to get where I want to go by bus when I can just jump in the car instead and be there in half the time. For example my area used to have a direct bus to Bradford. Since it was axed, the options now are either a long walk up hill then catch 2 different buses or get a bus to Greengates and wait for a 645, which from experience fails to show up a lot of the time, especially after around 6pm. We also used to have 4 buses per hour towards Leeds. We now have 2. Whilst I know some areas would love to have a 30 minute frequency: the population of my area demands a more frequent service. It is as easy for me to jump in the car and park in town for the same price as it is to use the bus, and I can do so at my leisure. I imagine people; especially those living in Arriva land will be hesitant to commit to using the bus for work in case it changes route unexpectedly without any consultation. Ultimately you're at the mercy of a team of people who (by looking at Facebook comments) don't appear to know the demands of their own customers.
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