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Post by the110 on Jul 9, 2008 20:43:45 GMT 1
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Post by thor on Jul 9, 2008 20:46:18 GMT 1
would have thought so,they need to start making major money now for next years fuel bill
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Post by the110 on Jul 9, 2008 20:48:07 GMT 1
Read the last paragraph about day, weekly and 4 weekly tickets.
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Post by thor on Jul 9, 2008 20:51:25 GMT 1
they were allready making profit on these tickets,this statement tells me they want more passengers to purchase them as they are the way to make more profit
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Post by jackh on Jul 9, 2008 21:01:36 GMT 1
The problem with the Weekly ticket in West Yorkshire offered by Arriva, people can't buy the ticket from the driver, they have to buy them from a shop which has PayPoint facilities. However, probably nobody knows of the tickets existence and that it can be purchased this way.
They should sell it through the Driver and market it heavily on buses so passengers may use it. Therefore the decline in patronage on Arriva services could be softened.
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Post by thor on Jul 9, 2008 21:09:21 GMT 1
o.k in theory jack,however,when the driver sells the ticket as stagecoach do,it takes more time for the driver to put the ticket into a sleeve.but the company doesnt give more time on the running board.monday mornings are hillarious
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Post by jackh on Jul 9, 2008 21:13:23 GMT 1
The Arriva who appears to be notorious for their slack running boards are we on about? The buses may get to the timing points at their advertised time rather than years before.
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Post by thor on Jul 9, 2008 21:18:02 GMT 1
good point,well presented
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Post by Craig on Jul 9, 2008 21:41:41 GMT 1
First West Yorkshire have been having their drivers put tickets in sleeves for years, it can hold things up sometimes but not always, and is far more appealing than forcing people to trek to a paypoint outlet (I wouldn't have a clue how to go about this even if I wanted to!). Alternatively some drivers print the ticket and then give the passenger the wallet, perhaps this isn't standard First practice but it certainly speeds it up when there's a queue of passengers!
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Post by jackh on Jul 9, 2008 21:46:11 GMT 1
Well the idea behind the drivers sealing the wallets is to prevent fraud of tickets.
Another point on the PayPoint, if somebody was to go into an outlet and request to purchase such a ticket. Would the member of staff be aware that you can buy the ticket and how to sell it to the customer. Like with many of these schemes which aim to bring convenience to the passenger, the idea is flawed due to lack of training and staff awareness of such product/ticket.
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Post by thor on Jul 9, 2008 21:55:28 GMT 1
it wouldnt be the first time a driver has been in trouble for not putting it in the sleeve or the passenger half asleep putting it in the wrong way round then demanding another.personally,i think every firm wants to copy mr livingstones oyster scheme in london,but the funding in the north just isnt there
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Post by Craig on Jul 9, 2008 22:02:58 GMT 1
personally,i think every firm wants to copy mr livingstones oyster scheme in london,but the funding in the north just isnt there Funny you should say that - as has previously been highlighted on here, such a scheme exists here, is called Yorcard, is currently being trialled in South Yorkshire, and is scheduled eventually for regional rollout.
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Post by jackh on Jul 9, 2008 22:05:33 GMT 1
Well First do have Smart Card scheme in operation in Bradford and has had a degree of success.
There was supposed to be a roll out of a system in Yorkshire under the name of YorCard, I believe the scheme is gradually falling into place with some routes in Sheffield using the technology. However, as far as I am aware, this is limited to the OAP passes.
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Post by thor on Jul 9, 2008 22:10:03 GMT 1
i was unaware of that but i am a beleiver of the old saying of the leading a horse to water pencil etc etc,the only way it would work is if this was the only way the passenger could buy a ticket with no half hearted measures otherwise people cant be bothered to go to a pay point half a mile away when they can get a ticket on the bus outside their door
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Post by Craig on Jul 9, 2008 22:13:07 GMT 1
What is Yorcard? www.yorcard.com/default.asp?pageid=10&groupid=3and follow the rest of the links to learn more... it isn't just OAPs involved in the trial now. P.S. On the link above, look out for the unimaginatively yet amusingly named Peter Person, plus don't miss Oliver Twix who not only has an impossible name but also looks a little too menacing for my liking P.P.S. Lead a horse to water PENCIL???
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Post by thor on Jul 9, 2008 22:18:01 GMT 1
lead a horse to water a pencil has to be lead ;D
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Jul 10, 2008 13:19:02 GMT 1
The problem with the Weekly ticket in West Yorkshire offered by Arriva, people can't buy the ticket from the driver, they have to buy them from a shop which has PayPoint facilities. However, probably nobody knows of the tickets existence and that it can be purchased this way. They should sell it through the Driver and market it heavily on buses so passengers may use it. Therefore the decline in patronage on Arriva services could be softened. I think a few of the Selby drivers have been known to sell the West Yorkshire weeklies, as they already sell the NY versions on bus.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Jul 10, 2008 13:22:04 GMT 1
o.k in theory jack,however,when the driver sells the ticket as stagecoach do,it takes more time for the driver to put the ticket into a sleeve.but the company doesnt give more time on the running board.monday mornings are hillarious I have never had any problems with timekeeping on any operator on mornings when selling tickets (with the exception of one (mainly) school service at First Northampton when you had 80 kids buying £4.99 weeklies, and as they were issued with the Wayfarer Magnetic Card Readers they took about 20 seconds each to print.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Jul 10, 2008 13:23:08 GMT 1
First West Yorkshire have been having their drivers put tickets in sleeves for years, it can hold things up sometimes but not always, and is far more appealing than forcing people to trek to a paypoint outlet (I wouldn't have a clue how to go about this even if I wanted to!). Alternatively some drivers print the ticket and then give the passenger the wallet, perhaps this isn't standard First practice but it certainly speeds it up when there's a queue of passengers! Coastliner used to just leave a pile of wallets behind the machine in the leaflet racks and let the passengers take one and put their own tickets in.
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Post by jackh on Jul 10, 2008 15:28:33 GMT 1
So are the West Yorkshire weekly tickets programmed into the Ticket Machines so that they can be issued by West Yorkshire based drivers? It's just the fact that they don't have the wallets to put them in?
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Post by the110 on Jul 10, 2008 17:24:05 GMT 1
The west yorkshire weekly is programmed into all the machines on arriva buses, at all depots but we are under instruction not to sell them.
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Post by jackh on Jul 11, 2008 13:36:47 GMT 1
...this is because of Union intervention which don't want drivers carrying large sums of cash around on Monday mornings. Well in my opinion on this is that it is a complete utter load of bull s***. Because there are 1000's of drivers at other companies who issue such tickets and are at risk of being robbed on Mondays when carrying more cash than usual. Why haven't the Unions stepped in there then!?
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Post by the110 on Jul 11, 2008 14:38:18 GMT 1
Well thats unions for you, some times they have to much of a say.
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Post by thor on Jul 12, 2008 18:32:15 GMT 1
this all leads back to the pre paid tickets and how the big three are trying to push them upon joe public
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Post by the110 on Jul 14, 2008 8:53:56 GMT 1
Arriva are reducing there Yorkshire Day Ticket from the 20th from £5.70 to £4.50 and also bringing out a new Yorkshire Weekly Ticket priced at £18 and Monthly Ticket at £70. This is a good move really especially for the people that travel cross boundary for work every day e.g. Selby to Leeds or Donny to Pontefract/Castleford.
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