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Post by peppy89 on Dec 30, 2022 23:11:36 GMT 1
I'm.open to anymore ideas if anyone got something they would suggest to create something thay could cover the 571 and provide a link for shelf
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 1:10:18 GMT 1
I'm.open to anymore ideas if anyone got something they would suggest to create something thay could cover the 571 and provide a link for shelf I Think the easiest solution if Arriva are having problems is rather than them introduce new services that likely wouldn't be used is for them to hand the contract back to Metro. From there, the simplest solution would be for First Bradford to take it on with either of these 2 options A) Remove one 613 per hour from Buttershaw,with it having joined the main road from Woodside continues onto Shelf & picks up the 571 route B) Extend one 614 per hour from Buttershaw via Cooper Lane & onto the old 571 route - This option would allow all current frequencies to be kept plus you might also get the some people from the Buttershaw direction wanting to go to Brighouse as the journey time would be fairly competitive with a car. The problem is i doubt there's any demand from Shelf, as what little there was before would of found alternative arrangements by now. Another option if you write off the Shelf section could be sending 686/8 around Whinney Hill Est & have one per hour continue from Brighouse to Halifax. All the main areas would still be covered plus Whinney Hill Est would gain a service increase.
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Post by peppy89 on Jan 3, 2023 1:06:11 GMT 1
I agree with that I never thought of the 613 and 614 to be honest
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Post by Username on Feb 5, 2023 17:23:51 GMT 1
I have mentioned a few of these ideas before, however I want to know what other people think of my ideas and how they can be tweaked or improved.
I'm starting off with Calderdale.
20 Halifax - Rye Lane Operated by Team Pennine I would introduce a journey that leaves Halifax Wards End at 06:00 arriving at Rye Lane for 06:19 on a Monday to Friday Timetable so that it can interwork the 06:25 journey back down to town.
254 Leeds - Birkenshaw - Cleckheaton - Clifton - Brighouse Operated by Arriva I would re-time all Brighouse journeys to run 15 minutes later so that they run half an hour apart from the 255 Halifax journeys and I would extend the Brighouse journeys along to Halifax via Southowram to replace part of the 571. Journeys will take an hour and a half to complete just like the 255 and will work perfectly to allow a half hour gaps of buses to Leeds from Halifax and vice versa. The evening service will run every hour to Halifax as well with there being an hourly evening 255 service with no Cleckheaton shorts. This will boost the frequency of services between Leeds and Cleckheaton to every half hour during the evenings. The Sunday daytime journeys to Halifax will run every 2 hours along with the 255 and create an hourly service to Halifax from Leeds with Arriva's 255 and on Sunday evenings the service will run between Leeds and Cleckheaton only.
255 Leeds - Birkenshaw - Cleckheaton - Scholes - Hipperholme - Halifax Operated by Arriva Journeys will be slightly altered to provide a half hourly service to Halifax from Leeds and vice versa a long with service 254. Evening journeys will be reintroduced to run every hour between Leeds and Scholes allowing the residents of Scholes to have an option to use public transport during the evenings. This will also increase the service to every half hour on the Whitehall Road corridor. Sundays will run every 2 hours along with the 254 to form an hourly service between Halifax and Leeds whereas there will still be a frequency of every 15 minutes between Leeds and Cleckheaton during the daytime.
263 Dewsbury - Mirfield - Cleckheaton - Bierly - Bradford Operator TLC Travel I would increase the frequency of this service to run every hour between the hours of 6am to 7pm Mondays to Saturdays.
278 Halifax - CRH - West Vale - Elland - Brighouse - Mirfield - Dewsbury - Wakefield Operator Unknown Personally, if I was METRO I would have made this a contracted service to have an hourly service all week with no Sunday evening service. This service will do the same route as it did before however I would make it so the route can serve Ossett via the fastest route possible allowing there to be a more faster and reliable service to Ossett from Dewsbury and Wakefield. This route would have to come in once the road improvement works are finished near Salterhebble on the A629 so that journeys can keep to time better.
501/503/X3 Halifax - Elland - Ainley Top - Huddersfield Operated by First Halifax First of all there is a lot I have to say about these services. I would tweak journeys to run every 10 minutes from Halifax and Huddersfield Town Centres. Journeys will leave like this past the hour: 00 (X3), 10 (503), 20 (X3), 30 (501), 30 (X3), 40 (503), 50 (X3) on a Monday to Saturday timetable and then on Sundays they can run every 20 minutes at: 00 (X3), 20 (503), 40 (501). Evening frequency will be left at half hourly. I have introduced 501 journeys during the daytime to make a faster hospital to hospital link than the 343 and then the X3 to introduce faster journeys speeding up journey time by 10 minutes compared to the 503. The route of the X3 will run limited stop along the direct route from Halifax to Elland B&M and then run straight along Huddersfield road on to the A629 and down Halifax road into Huddersfield. However since the road is one way down Huddersfield Road journeys to Halifax from Huddersfield will be slightly longer and designed to run via Morrison's up to Southgate Stop B then along Huddersfield Road, Briggate and then up Elland Bridge then onto the slip road on to the A629.
509/510/511/512/513 Halifax - Mixenden Circulars Operated by First Halifax The whole Mixenden routes set up is confusing and hard to use. I would reorganise and simplify it by withdrawing the 509 and 511. The 510 will go back to running both ways every half an hour between Halifax and Mixenden only, that includes the evening services and then 511 and 512 will be rerouted to skip out Hambleton Estate and to serve Wainstalls turning circle. Now that 513 has been withdrawn the 511 can be boosted to a half hourly service.
524 Halifax - Ovenden - Mixenden Operated by Team Pennine I would extend this service to terminate around Hambleton Estate on a circular route. I have done this as the estate is a bit of struggle for First's vehicles as they are longer however Team Pennine seems to operate shorter vehicles which allows a bus to get through the estate with ease.
536 Halifax - West Vale - Stainland - Outlane - Oakes - Huddersfield Operated by Team Pennine and First Since the 539 got withdrawn I would introduce a Monday to Saturday service on this to run hourly under First Huddersfield operations as they seem to have more drivers.
561/2 Halifax - Ripponden Circulars Operated by Team Pennine I would introduce an hourly evening service to run between Halifax, Greetland and Ripponden only but with all journeys serving both Norland and Krumlim. This would provide an evening service for Greetland, Norland, Barkisland and Krumlim. Journeys will run as a 562 to Ripponden and then change into 561 to head back to Halifax via the same way.
563 Halifax - Copley - West Vale - Elland - Rasterick - Brighouse Operated by Team Pennine I would introduce an evening service to run hourly Monday to Saturday between Halifax and Copley only providing an evening service for Copley.
579 Halifax - Sowerby Bridge - Sowerby Operated by First Halifax I would increase this service to run every 15 minutes between 6am and 8am and then 3pm and 5pm Mondays to Saturday Daytime.
586 Halifax - Sowerby Bridge - Ripponden - Rishworth - Commons Operated by First Halifax I would reintroduce an hourly service to run at 20 past the hour from Halifax and 57 past from Commons all day between 0500 and 2200. The Sunday timetable will be reorganised to coordinate with the 587.
587 Halifax - Sowerby Bridge - Ripponden - Littleborough - Smithy Bridge - Rochdale Operated by Team Pennine I would coordinate this service with the 586 to run half hourly between Halifax and Ripponden. Journeys from Halifax will depart at 50 past the hour between the hours of 0500 and 2100. Then from Rochdale, journeys will depart at 05 past the hour between the hours of 0600 and 2200.
590/591/592 Calder Valley routes Operated by First Halifax I withdraw the 591 and introduce the previous set of routes that ran pre 2021 with a bus running every 15 minutes between Halifax and Todmorden then hourly on to Rochdale and Burnley. Then I would reintroduce an hourly 589 service to run every hour Mondays to Saturdays to run between Burnley and Rochdale.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Feb 5, 2023 18:05:13 GMT 1
590/591/592 Operated by First Todmorden mainly, not Halifax (except 2 boards). Says First Todmorden on my pay slip, computer system & GreenRoad.
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Post by Username on Mar 27, 2023 22:55:07 GMT 1
I have mentioned a few of these ideas before, however I want to know what other people think of my ideas and how they can be tweaked or improved. I'm starting off with Calderdale. 20 Halifax - Rye Lane Operated by Team Pennine I would introduce a journey that leaves Halifax Wards End at 06:00 arriving at Rye Lane for 06:19 on a Monday to Friday Timetable so that it can interwork the 06:25 journey back down to town. 254 Leeds - Birkenshaw - Cleckheaton - Clifton - Brighouse Operated by Arriva I would re-time all Brighouse journeys to run 15 minutes later so that they run half an hour apart from the 255 Halifax journeys and I would extend the Brighouse journeys along to Halifax via Southowram to replace part of the 571. Journeys will take an hour and a half to complete just like the 255 and will work perfectly to allow a half hour gaps of buses to Leeds from Halifax and vice versa. The evening service will run every hour to Halifax as well with there being an hourly evening 255 service with no Cleckheaton shorts. This will boost the frequency of services between Leeds and Cleckheaton to every half hour during the evenings. The Sunday daytime journeys to Halifax will run every 2 hours along with the 255 and create an hourly service to Halifax from Leeds with Arriva's 255 and on Sunday evenings the service will run between Leeds and Cleckheaton only. 255 Leeds - Birkenshaw - Cleckheaton - Scholes - Hipperholme - Halifax Operated by Arriva Journeys will be slightly altered to provide a half hourly service to Halifax from Leeds and vice versa a long with service 254. Evening journeys will be reintroduced to run every hour between Leeds and Scholes allowing the residents of Scholes to have an option to use public transport during the evenings. This will also increase the service to every half hour on the Whitehall Road corridor. Sundays will run every 2 hours along with the 254 to form an hourly service between Halifax and Leeds whereas there will still be a frequency of every 15 minutes between Leeds and Cleckheaton during the daytime. 263 Dewsbury - Mirfield - Cleckheaton - Bierly - Bradford Operator TLC Travel I would increase the frequency of this service to run every hour between the hours of 6am to 7pm Mondays to Saturdays. 278 Halifax - CRH - West Vale - Elland - Brighouse - Mirfield - Dewsbury - Wakefield Operator Unknown Personally, if I was METRO I would have made this a contracted service to have an hourly service all week with no Sunday evening service. This service will do the same route as it did before however I would make it so the route can serve Ossett via the fastest route possible allowing there to be a more faster and reliable service to Ossett from Dewsbury and Wakefield. This route would have to come in once the road improvement works are finished near Salterhebble on the A629 so that journeys can keep to time better. 501/503/X3 Halifax - Elland - Ainley Top - Huddersfield Operated by First Halifax First of all there is a lot I have to say about these services. I would tweak journeys to run every 10 minutes from Halifax and Huddersfield Town Centres. Journeys will leave like this past the hour: 00 (X3), 10 (503), 20 (X3), 30 (501), 30 (X3), 40 (503), 50 (X3) on a Monday to Saturday timetable and then on Sundays they can run every 20 minutes at: 00 (X3), 20 (503), 40 (501). Evening frequency will be left at half hourly. I have introduced 501 journeys during the daytime to make a faster hospital to hospital link than the 343 and then the X3 to introduce faster journeys speeding up journey time by 10 minutes compared to the 503. The route of the X3 will run limited stop along the direct route from Halifax to Elland B&M and then run straight along Huddersfield road on to the A629 and down Halifax road into Huddersfield. However since the road is one way down Huddersfield Road journeys to Halifax from Huddersfield will be slightly longer and designed to run via Morrison's up to Southgate Stop B then along Huddersfield Road, Briggate and then up Elland Bridge then onto the slip road on to the A629. 509/510/511/512/513 Halifax - Mixenden Circulars Operated by First Halifax The whole Mixenden routes set up is confusing and hard to use. I would reorganise and simplify it by withdrawing the 509 and 511. The 510 will go back to running both ways every half an hour between Halifax and Mixenden only, that includes the evening services and then 511 and 512 will be rerouted to skip out Hambleton Estate and to serve Wainstalls turning circle. Now that 513 has been withdrawn the 511 can be boosted to a half hourly service. 524 Halifax - Ovenden - Mixenden Operated by Team Pennine I would extend this service to terminate around Hambleton Estate on a circular route. I have done this as the estate is a bit of struggle for First's vehicles as they are longer however Team Pennine seems to operate shorter vehicles which allows a bus to get through the estate with ease. 536 Halifax - West Vale - Stainland - Outlane - Oakes - Huddersfield Operated by Team Pennine and First Since the 539 got withdrawn I would introduce a Monday to Saturday service on this to run hourly under First Huddersfield operations as they seem to have more drivers. 561/2 Halifax - Ripponden Circulars Operated by Team Pennine I would introduce an hourly evening service to run between Halifax, Greetland and Ripponden only but with all journeys serving both Norland and Krumlim. This would provide an evening service for Greetland, Norland, Barkisland and Krumlim. Journeys will run as a 562 to Ripponden and then change into 561 to head back to Halifax via the same way. 563 Halifax - Copley - West Vale - Elland - Rasterick - Brighouse Operated by Team Pennine I would introduce an evening service to run hourly Monday to Saturday between Halifax and Copley only providing an evening service for Copley. 579 Halifax - Sowerby Bridge - Sowerby Operated by First Halifax I would increase this service to run every 15 minutes between 6am and 8am and then 3pm and 5pm Mondays to Saturday Daytime. 586 Halifax - Sowerby Bridge - Ripponden - Rishworth - Commons Operated by First Halifax I would reintroduce an hourly service to run at 20 past the hour from Halifax and 57 past from Commons all day between 0500 and 2200. The Sunday timetable will be reorganised to coordinate with the 587. 587 Halifax - Sowerby Bridge - Ripponden - Littleborough - Smithy Bridge - Rochdale Operated by Team Pennine I would coordinate this service with the 586 to run half hourly between Halifax and Ripponden. Journeys from Halifax will depart at 50 past the hour between the hours of 0500 and 2100. Then from Rochdale, journeys will depart at 05 past the hour between the hours of 0600 and 2200. 590/591/592 Calder Valley routes Operated by First Halifax I withdraw the 591 and introduce the previous set of routes that ran pre 2021 with a bus running every 15 minutes between Halifax and Todmorden then hourly on to Rochdale and Burnley. Then I would reintroduce an hourly 589 service to run every hour Mondays to Saturdays to run between Burnley and Rochdale. With the idea of having a bus to Dewsbury and Wakefield I would now change my idea of the route and send it via the Copley way and not serve Ossett. If the timetable leaves Halifax coordinated with a 20 minute gap between the 278, 561 and 563 it will help improve buses to Halifax from Copley giving them an every 20 minute frequency. Also that 278 service can also provide an hourly evening service for Copley.
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Post by peppy89 on Apr 2, 2023 4:59:22 GMT 1
I agree with dropping the Ossett bit out, as they do have the 126 but I would send the 278 from hailfax normal.way it used to but then after dewsbury I would send it direct through flushdyke like it used to but then send it down Broadway and waterton road in lupset to cover gaps in 122 timetable then into wakefield
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Post by Username on Apr 5, 2023 19:18:41 GMT 1
I agree with dropping the Ossett bit out, as they do have the 126 but I would send the 278 from hailfax normal.way it used to but then after dewsbury I would send it direct through flushdyke like it used to but then send it down Broadway and waterton road in lupset to cover gaps in 122 timetable then into wakefield Actually, that's quite a good idea. I am still thinking to give Copley in Halifax a better service maybe they should make the 563 run every 20-40 minutes but do short workings once per hour and then time it with the 561. So the timetable can be: Halifax to Copley: 563 runs at 00 (Brighouse) , 561 at 20, 563 at 40 (Copley short)
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Post by deerfold on Apr 5, 2023 19:54:19 GMT 1
I agree with dropping the Ossett bit out, as they do have the 126 but I would send the 278 from hailfax normal.way it used to but then after dewsbury I would send it direct through flushdyke like it used to but then send it down Broadway and waterton road in lupset to cover gaps in 122 timetable then into wakefield Actually, that's quite a good idea. I am still thinking to give Copley in Halifax a better service maybe they should make the 563 run every 20-40 minutes but do short workings once per hour and then time it with the 561. So the timetable can be: Halifax to Copley: 563 runs at 00 (Brighouse) , 561 at 20, 563 at 40 (Copley short) Why do you think Copley needs three buses an hour to Halifax?
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Post by Username on Apr 5, 2023 20:46:00 GMT 1
Actually, that's quite a good idea. I am still thinking to give Copley in Halifax a better service maybe they should make the 563 run every 20-40 minutes but do short workings once per hour and then time it with the 561. So the timetable can be: Halifax to Copley: 563 runs at 00 (Brighouse) , 561 at 20, 563 at 40 (Copley short) Why do you think Copley needs three buses an hour to Halifax? Because Halifax is hard to get to by walking and most people who live there are pensioners.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2023 20:51:03 GMT 1
I agree with dropping the Ossett bit out, as they do have the 126 but I would send the 278 from hailfax normal.way it used to but then after dewsbury I would send it direct through flushdyke like it used to but then send it down Broadway and waterton road in lupset to cover gaps in 122 timetable then into wakefield Actually, that's quite a good idea. I am still thinking to give Copley in Halifax a better service maybe they should make the 563 run every 20-40 minutes but do short workings once per hour and then time it with the 561. So the timetable can be: Halifax to Copley: 563 runs at 00 (Brighouse) , 561 at 20, 563 at 40 (Copley short) Does Copley need a 20 Minute service? As neither of it's current routes are commercially operated it might not be the best idea to spend more funds increasing it when other routes across the county are facing complete axe. If Copley does require 3rd bus an hour, rather than a short 563 working wouldn't it be better to divert one of either the 343 or 561/2 when going towards West Vale meaning it could probably be doable using existing resources & very little if any extra cost.
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Post by deerfold on Apr 5, 2023 21:32:34 GMT 1
Why do you think Copley needs three buses an hour to Halifax? Because Halifax is hard to get to by walking and most people who live there are pensioners. So why does Rishworth only get 1 bus an hour? There's plenty of pensioners live there.
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Post by Username on Apr 5, 2023 21:48:09 GMT 1
Because Halifax is hard to get to by walking and most people who live there are pensioners. So why does Rishworth only get 1 bus an hour? There's plenty of pensioners live there. Not anymore Rishworth now has a bus every 2 hours, plus most of the pensioners left.
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Post by deerfold on Apr 5, 2023 22:20:52 GMT 1
So why does Rishworth only get 1 bus an hour? There's plenty of pensioners live there. Not anymore Rishworth now has a bus every 2 hours, plus most of the pensioners left. I know - I visit Ripponden regularly. I'm basing this on your suggested routes. They left? Really? Rishworth at various times has supported 3 commercial services an hour, most recently in the early 2000s. It's a long time (if ever) since Copley could do that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2023 22:29:57 GMT 1
Why do you think Copley needs three buses an hour to Halifax? Because Halifax is hard to get to by walking and most people who live there are pensioners. Is there overcrowding issues on the current 2 buses per hour serving Copley resulting in people being left behind & having to walk? using the excuse of pensioners living in hilly areas to upgrade routes then making the likes of the 571/4/7 half hourly again would be more of priority (alongside routes outside of Calderdale such as the Holme Valley minibus network)
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Post by Username on Apr 5, 2023 23:16:51 GMT 1
Fair point. Anybody have thoughts on the 254 idea of extending it to Halifax via Southowram so it can interwork the 255?
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Post by joseph on Apr 6, 2023 6:37:52 GMT 1
Personally I'd like to see the scrapping of all supported routes in the Saville Park, Sowerby, Copley, Ripponden area replaced by the DRT buses that duplicate many routes in Leeds. 6 buses hardly used in East Leeds would be better off serving areas where demand exists and potential is there for increased useage through new links such as Ripponden to the office park on Wakefield Road. And before you say you can't use funding for the East Leeds DRT to support or replace existing routes, you can, but you've just got to be a bit clever how you do it. Other councils have replaced existing routes through DRT by simply re-branding it as a whole new network based on a whole new way to use the bus, that's where the clever bit comes in.
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Post by WYBS on Apr 6, 2023 9:14:07 GMT 1
Personally I'd like to see the scrapping of all supported routes in the Saville Park, Sowerby, Copley, Ripponden area replaced by the DRT buses that duplicate many routes in Leeds. 6 buses hardly used in East Leeds would be better off serving areas where demand exists and potential is there for increased useage through new links such as Ripponden to the office park on Wakefield Road. And before you say you can't use funding for the East Leeds DRT to support or replace existing routes, you can, but you've just got to be a bit clever how you do it. Other councils have replaced existing routes through DRT by simply re-branding it as a whole new network based on a whole new way to use the bus, that's where the clever bit comes in. But from what I've seen first hand: DRT schemes fail 90% of the time. If it doesn't work in major cities like Leeds and Liverpool, then I'm not convinced it would work in rural Halifax.
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Post by deerfold on Apr 6, 2023 9:44:33 GMT 1
Personally I'd like to see the scrapping of all supported routes in the Saville Park, Sowerby, Copley, Ripponden area replaced by the DRT buses that duplicate many routes in Leeds. 6 buses hardly used in East Leeds would be better off serving areas where demand exists and potential is there for increased useage through new links such as Ripponden to the office park on Wakefield Road. And before you say you can't use funding for the East Leeds DRT to support or replace existing routes, you can, but you've just got to be a bit clever how you do it. Other councils have replaced existing routes through DRT by simply re-branding it as a whole new network based on a whole new way to use the bus, that's where the clever bit comes in. But from what I've seen first hand: DRT schemes fail 90% of the time. If it doesn't work in major cities like Leeds and Liverpool, then I'm not convinced it would work in rural Halifax. Even with a poor bus service you know when it's due to arrive at you and your destination. Often with DRT, you don't even know if you can get a bus at all until shortly before you travel. The schemes seem very poor at matching passengers with most DRT schemes struggling to average 2 passengers per journey. It'd often be cheaper to pay for taxis for all the passengers they do take and then there's the passengers they're unable to accommodate. Most of the supported routes average more than 2 passengers per trip.
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Post by leeds rider on Apr 6, 2023 11:01:27 GMT 1
But from what I've seen first hand: DRT schemes fail 90% of the time. If it doesn't work in major cities like Leeds and Liverpool, then I'm not convinced it would work in rural Halifax. Even with a poor bus service you know when it's due to service at you and your destination. Often with DRT, you don't even know if you can get a bus at all until shortly before you travel. The schemes seem very poor at matching passengers with most DRT schemes struggling to average 2 passengers per journey. It'd often be cheaper to pay for taxis for all the passengers they do take and then there's the passengers they'd unable to accommodate. Most of the supported routes average more than 2 passengers per trip. See also Roger French's collected blog posts about his experiences with, and opinion of, DRT schemes busandtrainuser.com/a-short-history-of-drt/. He's totally scathing about 99% of the ones he tries, and fully expects them to collapse when initial funding runs out.
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Post by Username on Apr 6, 2023 11:37:19 GMT 1
Personally I'd like to see the scrapping of all supported routes in the Saville Park, Sowerby, Copley, Ripponden area replaced by the DRT buses that duplicate many routes in Leeds. 6 buses hardly used in East Leeds would be better off serving areas where demand exists and potential is there for increased useage through new links such as Ripponden to the office park on Wakefield Road. And before you say you can't use funding for the East Leeds DRT to support or replace existing routes, you can, but you've just got to be a bit clever how you do it. Other councils have replaced existing routes through DRT by simply re-branding it as a whole new network based on a whole new way to use the bus, that's where the clever bit comes in. Sowerby so cut off the 579, that won't go well. The 579 is one of the busier routes on First Halifax that even when the frequency got cut from every 10 to every 12 then to every 15 and 20 buses have started to become more full. Yes running a bus every 10/12 minutes on it was ridiculous but I think the every 15 minute frequency was sensible as that's when capacity issues started to kick in. I don't think doing DRT Neither would Ripponden, Savile Park, Copley or Ripponden. Also Ripponden already has a link to the office park on Wakefield Road through 561 and 562? So don't understand what you are on about there. Pretty sure Sowerby Bridge Ring & Ride used to be a regular service known as the 586 and I used to hear people talk about it but ever since it became a demand responsive service I am not sure if anyone even uses it. I even forgot that service existed and I'm pretty sure everybody has so that's one reason I don't think DRT would work. As well as this, many other areas have had demand responsive travel which has failed. In Halifax the best used contracted routes are 561/2, 574, 577 and 587. The demand is there for those routes I know of people who live in Soyland who prefer using the bus service as an alternative to their car mainly because the bus is easier to use as they don't have to bother struggling with the tight roads. However, DRT won't work because the problem is they only seem to have limited hours, usually off peak. There isn't even a fixed timetable which can cause issues as people dk when their buses are. It's also quite a bad idea, especially for rural areas because there aren't any telephone boxes laying around for anyone whose phone dies which means they can't ring up for a demand service.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2023 13:18:57 GMT 1
Fair point. Anybody have thoughts on the 254 idea of extending it to Halifax via Southowram so it can interwork the 255? Could possibly work - but would need a timetable with extra padding throughout the route due to delays coming out of Leeds - the 571 can be bad enough acting as basically an extension of the 255 in Halifax, without then also adding the 254 delays to it as well. Personally I'd like to see the scrapping of all supported routes in the Saville Park, Sowerby, Copley, Ripponden area replaced by the DRT buses that duplicate many routes in Leeds. 6 buses hardly used in East Leeds would be better off serving areas where demand exists and potential is there for increased useage through new links such as Ripponden to the office park on Wakefield Road. And before you say you can't use funding for the East Leeds DRT to support or replace existing routes, you can, but you've just got to be a bit clever how you do it. Other councils have replaced existing routes through DRT by simply re-branding it as a whole new network based on a whole new way to use the bus, that's where the clever bit comes in. Not sure what you mean here? Other councils have replaced existing routes through DRT by bidding to launch a DRT network in that area - I Think questions might be raised if the funding for East Leeds DRT instead goes to Halifax. Also your forgetting the new links that the South Leeds DRT has opened up (& i have both personally used and seen other use) such as linking the Cross Gates area with St James Hospital. I Actually agree the rural Halifax area would be good spot for DRT & would go further than your idea to include Elland & Brighouse replacing the E Network once the Elland Rail Stn & Brighouse Station refurbishment are both completed giving decent 'connecting hubs' to either trains or scheduled buses (similar to what's currently being rolled out around the Greater Bristol area)
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Post by deerfold on Apr 6, 2023 13:29:43 GMT 1
Fair point. Anybody have thoughts on the 254 idea of extending it to Halifax via Southowram so it can interwork the 255? Could possibly work - but would need a timetable with extra padding throughout the route due to delays coming out of Leeds - the 571 can be bad enough acting as basically an extension of the 255 in Halifax, without then also adding the 254 delays to it as well. Personally I'd like to see the scrapping of all supported routes in the Saville Park, Sowerby, Copley, Ripponden area replaced by the DRT buses that duplicate many routes in Leeds. 6 buses hardly used in East Leeds would be better off serving areas where demand exists and potential is there for increased useage through new links such as Ripponden to the office park on Wakefield Road. And before you say you can't use funding for the East Leeds DRT to support or replace existing routes, you can, but you've just got to be a bit clever how you do it. Other councils have replaced existing routes through DRT by simply re-branding it as a whole new network based on a whole new way to use the bus, that's where the clever bit comes in. I Actually agree the rural Halifax area would be good spot for DRT & would go further than your idea to include Elland & Brighouse replacing the E Network once the Elland Rail Stn & Brighouse Station refurbishment are both completed giving decent 'connecting hubs' to either trains or scheduled buses (similar to what's currently being rolled out around the Greater Bristol area) I do hope not. I've not seen a DRT scheme that wasn't a prelude to removal of buses or restriction to 3 or 4 hours a day. Does the Sowerby / Norland / Dean Head Ring and Ride service still exist? There's precious little information about it available.
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Post by Username on Apr 6, 2023 13:30:35 GMT 1
Fair point. Anybody have thoughts on the 254 idea of extending it to Halifax via Southowram so it can interwork the 255? Could possibly work - but would need a timetable with extra padding throughout the route due to delays coming out of Leeds - the 571 can be bad enough acting as basically an extension of the 255 in Halifax, without then also adding the 254 delays to it as well. Personally I'd like to see the scrapping of all supported routes in the Saville Park, Sowerby, Copley, Ripponden area replaced by the DRT buses that duplicate many routes in Leeds. 6 buses hardly used in East Leeds would be better off serving areas where demand exists and potential is there for increased useage through new links such as Ripponden to the office park on Wakefield Road. And before you say you can't use funding for the East Leeds DRT to support or replace existing routes, you can, but you've just got to be a bit clever how you do it. Other councils have replaced existing routes through DRT by simply re-branding it as a whole new network based on a whole new way to use the bus, that's where the clever bit comes in. Not sure what you mean here? Other councils have replaced existing routes through DRT by bidding to launch a DRT network in that area - I Think questions might be raised if the funding for East Leeds DRT instead goes to Halifax. Also your forgetting the new links that the South Leeds DRT has opened up (& i have both personally used and seen other use) such as linking the Cross Gates area with St James Hospital. I Actually agree the rural Halifax area would be good spot for DRT & would go further than your idea to include Elland & Brighouse replacing the E Network once the Elland Rail Stn & Brighouse Station refurbishment are both completed giving decent 'connecting hubs' to either trains or scheduled buses (similar to what's currently being rolled out around the Greater Bristol area) DRT would work in some rural areas, but I just don't think getting rid of the 561/2 or 574/7 for DRT. Think Hebden Bridge would be more of a better spot for this idea.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2023 13:36:23 GMT 1
Could possibly work - but would need a timetable with extra padding throughout the route due to delays coming out of Leeds - the 571 can be bad enough acting as basically an extension of the 255 in Halifax, without then also adding the 254 delays to it as well. I Actually agree the rural Halifax area would be good spot for DRT & would go further than your idea to include Elland & Brighouse replacing the E Network once the Elland Rail Stn & Brighouse Station refurbishment are both completed giving decent 'connecting hubs' to either trains or scheduled buses (similar to what's currently being rolled out around the Greater Bristol area) I do hope not. I've not seen a DRT scheme that want a prelude to removal of buses or restriction to 3 or 4 hours a day. Does the Sowerby / Norland / Dean Head Ring and Ride service still exist? There's precious little information about it available. The Call Connect network in Lincolnshire has lasted a number of years & does a good job of both providing links for rural areas & acting as feeder services to the main bus & train network. The Sowerby Ring & Ride is still on the Calderdale Map including the number, although the dedicated page has been removed on the website so I'd assume it has been withdrawn & the map hasn't been corrected
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