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Post by WYBS on Jun 27, 2022 18:43:22 GMT 1
One change i've thought of a couple of times (mostly for selfish reasons to try & make my local route more reliable) is to swap the Coastliner/Cityzap routes,so the routes to the coast would take the fast route from Leeds to York before continuing onto Malton/Whitby/Scarborough alongside a new Leeds > Seacroft > Tadcaster > York 'local' service (probs would need a different brand to replace Cityzap) People from Leeds get a faster journey to the coast,whilst people living between the 2 cities should see a more reliable service (especially during Summer Months) Why does CityZap serve the M1 anyways, there is no point. Running the service fast through Seacroft would be quicker. M1 is quicker according to Google Maps.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jun 27, 2022 20:01:26 GMT 1
One change i've thought of a couple of times (mostly for selfish reasons to try & make my local route more reliable) is to swap the Coastliner/Cityzap routes,so the routes to the coast would take the fast route from Leeds to York before continuing onto Malton/Whitby/Scarborough alongside a new Leeds > Seacroft > Tadcaster > York 'local' service (probs would need a different brand to replace Cityzap) People from Leeds get a faster journey to the coast,whilst people living between the 2 cities should see a more reliable service (especially during Summer Months) Why does CityZap serve the M1 anyways, there is no point. Running the service fast through Seacroft would be quicker. Google Maps says the M1 is 5 minutes quicker
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Post by SCH117X on Jun 27, 2022 21:02:33 GMT 1
The Cityzap is now timed to stop at Pontefract Lane (Amazon) so has to use the M1
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Jun 28, 2022 13:25:05 GMT 1
Why does CityZap serve the M1 anyways, there is no point. Running the service fast through Seacroft would be quicker. Google Maps says the M1 is 5 minutes quicker It may. When I did occasional Saturdays driving it, 99% of the time, the ZAPnav would try and send me through Seacroft, as its was the slightly quicker route, by a few minutes.
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Post by Burnside on Jun 28, 2022 21:57:43 GMT 1
The Cityzap is now timed to stop at Pontefract Lane (Amazon) so has to use the M1 The problem with that (or was when i last used Zap) was the journey wasn't much (if at all) fater than the usual Coastliner due to the backlog of traffic on East St & Duke St getting to the Bus Station.
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Post by deerfold on Jun 29, 2022 0:23:05 GMT 1
I would improve some Team Pennine Local Services in Halifax maybe a brand called "Handy Halifax" or something like that. I would also run them in partnership with Metro: H1/H2 will replace the 20/21 services and run as circulars down Hanson and Pellon Lane so H1 runs clockwise and H2 anti-lockwise. H3 replaces the 22 with a service frequency brought back to every 20 minutes. H4 replaces the 524 and will terminate at Mixenden instead of Wainstalls to allow the 512 to run via Wainstalls every half hour. As well as this there will also be on extra bus an hour running circular around Ovenden Way and Nursery Lane. H6 replaces the 526 to Hungerhill and Shelf with all journeys serving Round Hill Estate. H8 is a new service which will introduce faster journeys up to Southowram via Southowram Bank every hour. H10 replaces the 532 however the service will run around to the entrance of Crossley Heath School on Free School Lane to gain extra passengers. I would also make the 574 half hourly between Halifax and Kershaw Estate. What do you mean by "run them in partnership with Metro"? Kershaw Estate used to have a half hourly service, with the other being faster, but passenger numbers didn't support it. Most of the other sections of the 574 have had more frequent services in the recent past too.
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Post by deerfold on Jun 29, 2022 0:25:35 GMT 1
that's already been suggested but the route numbers can easily be confused with the Holmfirth Locals. Really? I don't remember anyone getting confused between the Holmfirth and Hebden Bridge locals when they both started with an H.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 2, 2022 11:24:16 GMT 1
I would improve some Team Pennine Local Services in Halifax maybe a brand called "Handy Halifax" or something like that. I would also run them in partnership with Metro: H1/H2 will replace the 20/21 services and run as circulars down Hanson and Pellon Lane so H1 runs clockwise and H2 anti-lockwise. H3 replaces the 22 with a service frequency brought back to every 20 minutes. H4 replaces the 524 and will terminate at Mixenden instead of Wainstalls to allow the 512 to run via Wainstalls every half hour. As well as this there will also be on extra bus an hour running circular around Ovenden Way and Nursery Lane. H6 replaces the 526 to Hungerhill and Shelf with all journeys serving Round Hill Estate. H8 is a new service which will introduce faster journeys up to Southowram via Southowram Bank every hour. H10 replaces the 532 however the service will run around to the entrance of Crossley Heath School on Free School Lane to gain extra passengers. I would also make the 574 half hourly between Halifax and Kershaw Estate. Judging by Team Pennine renumbering the Denby Dale services, I wouldn't be surprised if they renumber the Halifax routes. Maybe some 500 numbers are available?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 2, 2022 11:36:37 GMT 1
The Cityzap is now timed to stop at Pontefract Lane (Amazon) so has to use the M1 Can we therefore use WY Daysavers on Cityzap between Leeds and Pontefract Lane?
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Post by WYBS on Jul 2, 2022 11:46:42 GMT 1
The Cityzap is now timed to stop at Pontefract Lane (Amazon) so has to use the M1 Can we therefore use WY Daysavers on Cityzap between Leeds and Pontefract Lane? Yes. I believe the announcement states something like 'this stop is the boundary for West Yorkshire metro products'.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 2, 2022 12:14:02 GMT 1
Can we therefore use WY Daysavers on Cityzap between Leeds and Pontefract Lane? Yes. I believe the announcement states something like 'this stop is the boundary for West Yorkshire metro products'. Thanks, that's useful to know. If there are any other bus routes serving Amazon at Pontefract Lane I shall ride CityZap there one day.
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Post by stephen01 on Jul 2, 2022 12:24:59 GMT 1
Yes. I believe the announcement states something like 'this stop is the boundary for West Yorkshire metro products'. Thanks, that's useful to know. If there are any other bus routes serving Amazon at Pontefract Lane I shall ride CityZap there one day. Think the 14 or 15 does too
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Post by joseph on Jul 2, 2022 12:41:52 GMT 1
Yes. I believe the announcement states something like 'this stop is the boundary for West Yorkshire metro products'. Thanks, that's useful to know. If there are any other bus routes serving Amazon at Pontefract Lane I shall ride CityZap there one day. If you don't want to wait for the 14, which runs half hourly during the day and hourly eve/sun then the more frequent 5 runs quite close to Amazon on the Halton Moor Road side of the industrial estate, Farnell Parts is the first big warehouse you'll see followed shortly after by Amazon. The drivers won't be all that helpful however and tell you they don't serve it, however it's only a 5 minute walk from the 5 terminus to the estate and a couple minutes more from where the estate starts off Halton Moor Road to Amazon.
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Post by WYBS on Jul 2, 2022 12:46:20 GMT 1
Thanks, that's useful to know. If there are any other bus routes serving Amazon at Pontefract Lane I shall ride CityZap there one day. If you don't want to wait for the 14, which runs half hourly during the day and hourly eve/sun then the more frequent 5 runs quite close to Amazon on the Halton Moor Road side of the industrial estate, Farnell Parts is the first big warehouse you'll see followed shortly after by Amazon. The drivers won't be all that helpful however and tell you they don't serve it, however it's only a 5 minute walk from the 5 terminus to the estate and a couple minutes more from where the estate starts off Halton Moor Road to Amazon. Remember to wear a stab-vest though.
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Post by Username on Jul 2, 2022 12:53:48 GMT 1
I would cut the 571 into seperate services as nobody travels the full length from Bradford to Halifax. I would get First Bradford to run a new set of services 683/684/685 combined to run half hourly with Mon-Sat Daytimes as 683/685 on Sundays and evenings with 684. Service 571 will be cut to run Halifax to Lightcliffe Whinney Hill like the bus does in evenings via the usual route of Brighouse and Southowram. Service 683 will run hourly on Mon-Sat Daytimes from Bradford Interchange to Osdal Top and then follow the 681 into Shelf to provide a journey 15 minutes in between two 681s and then it will change for Coley, Hipperholme and then Lighcliffe Whinney Hill. Service 684 will run Sundays and Evenings Between Bradford and Coley via Wibsey Park Rd and Shelf. Service 685 will run All week hourly between Brighouse and Bradford. The service will run down the 571 route to Shelf and then serve Coley, Hipperholme and then direct along the A644 to Brighouse. Service 684 will run hourly on Sundays Seems like alot of messing about with hardly any service improvements,looking at the timetable its actually 1 minute slower going the 681 route into Bradford compared to the 571 from Shelf,whilst Coley seems a random place to terminate on Sundays. I'm guessing whilst nobody travels end to end you do get overlapping cross Brighouse flows (Southowram to Hipperholme or Bradford for example) plus its most operationally convenient way to run the route as the 571 currently uses 3 buses,to run an Hourly Halifax > Lightcliffe then an Hourly Brighouse > Wibsey > Bradford pushes it upto 4,so it wouldn't end up cutting any costs either. Would you want to cut the various slow routes from Huddersfield to Halifax because theres the 503? One option to split the services whilst at least keeping the PVR the same would be taking the 613 out of Buttershaw & after Woodside it stays on the main road into Shelf & onto Hipperholme & Brighouse. Ok how about I modify this. Replacement services can be 684/5 on contract to WYCA. Service starts at Bradford Interchange via the 571 route to Lightcliffe and then the terminates there. 684 will be the Sunday service which will exstend to Brighouse Bus Station via Lightcliffe. The 255 can be modified to serve Whinney Hill to replace the 571 journeys of Halifax to Whinney Hill and then the 571 can be cut from Halifax to Brighouse Bus Station only.
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Post by Username on Jul 2, 2022 13:11:08 GMT 1
I would make some changes to the Todmorden Bus routes with First.
I would make buses every 10 minutes a long the Calder Valley again.
The buses will be every 10 minutes to Hebden Bridge, Every 15 minutes to Todmorden and then every roughly 15-30 minutes between Todmorden and Rochdale/Burnley.
Service 589 will be reintroduced running the existing route apart from some slight alterings of the route. It will serve Harp Hill Road and then along the normal route to Red Lees Road and then the service can run straight up Burnley Road avoiding Red Lees and Bunshaw down Todmorden Road into Burnley.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2022 13:20:17 GMT 1
Seems like alot of messing about with hardly any service improvements,looking at the timetable its actually 1 minute slower going the 681 route into Bradford compared to the 571 from Shelf,whilst Coley seems a random place to terminate on Sundays. I'm guessing whilst nobody travels end to end you do get overlapping cross Brighouse flows (Southowram to Hipperholme or Bradford for example) plus its most operationally convenient way to run the route as the 571 currently uses 3 buses,to run an Hourly Halifax > Lightcliffe then an Hourly Brighouse > Wibsey > Bradford pushes it upto 4,so it wouldn't end up cutting any costs either. Would you want to cut the various slow routes from Huddersfield to Halifax because theres the 503? One option to split the services whilst at least keeping the PVR the same would be taking the 613 out of Buttershaw & after Woodside it stays on the main road into Shelf & onto Hipperholme & Brighouse. Ok how about I modify this. Replacement services can be 684/5 on contract to WYCA. Service starts at Bradford Interchange via the 571 route to Lightcliffe and then the terminates there. 684 will be the Sunday service which will exstend to Brighouse Bus Station via Lightcliffe. The 255 can be modified to serve Whinney Hill to replace the 571 journeys of Halifax to Whinney Hill and then the 571 can be cut from Halifax to Brighouse Bus Station only. Wouldn't it make more sense to send 686 around Whinney Hill rather than 255,i'd assume the Brighouse link would be the most important to keep rather than Halifax & I Doubt anyone travelling from Cleckheaton to Halifax would be best pleased having to spend another 10mins or so serving the estate. It does seem like a solution looking for a problem,the 571 Isn't meant to be for end to end journeys but gives a number of areas a bus service using the least amount of resources possible. I Would almost expect more 571 type routes appearing replacing others as a means of cost cutting.
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Post by WYBS on Jul 2, 2022 16:53:40 GMT 1
I would make some changes to the Todmorden Bus routes with First. I would make buses every 10 minutes a long the Calder Valley again. The buses will be every 10 minutes to Hebden Bridge, Every 15 minutes to Todmorden and then every roughly 15-30 minutes between Todmorden and Rochdale/Burnley. Service 589 will be reintroduced running the existing route apart from some slight alterings of the route. It will serve Harp Hill Road and then along the normal route to Red Lees Road and then the service can run straight up Burnley Road avoiding Red Lees and Bunshaw down Todmorden Road into Burnley. How on earth do you run a 10 minute frequency to Hebden Bridge then a 15 minute service to Todmorden? That's mathematically impossible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2022 17:42:48 GMT 1
I would make some changes to the Todmorden Bus routes with First. I would make buses every 10 minutes a long the Calder Valley again. The buses will be every 10 minutes to Hebden Bridge, Every 15 minutes to Todmorden and then every roughly 15-30 minutes between Todmorden and Rochdale/Burnley. Service 589 will be reintroduced running the existing route apart from some slight alterings of the route. It will serve Harp Hill Road and then along the normal route to Red Lees Road and then the service can run straight up Burnley Road avoiding Red Lees and Bunshaw down Todmorden Road into Burnley. How on earth do you run a 10 minute frequency to Hebden Bridge then a 15 minute service to Todmorden? That's mathematically impossible. I'm guessing he is thinking of having a 10 > 10 > 20 Min frequency leaving Halifax for Todmorden with a Hebden Br short filling in the gap,with the 2nd Todmorden bus sitting 5 minutes longer in Hebden Br creating a 15min frequency?
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Post by SCH117X on Jul 2, 2022 18:41:03 GMT 1
How on earth do you run a 10 minute frequency to Hebden Bridge then a 15 minute service to Todmorden? That's mathematically impossible. Blazefield did it in Harrogate back in the 1990s - a 15 minute interval service on what is now Route 3 was linked to what is now the Route 1s which ran every 10 minutes so every other bus had a lengthy wait. To balance out the 10 minute service the other two buses continued from/to largely what is now Route 2A.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 2, 2022 18:48:33 GMT 1
Thanks, that's useful to know. If there are any other bus routes serving Amazon at Pontefract Lane I shall ride CityZap there one day. Think the 14 or 15 does too Thanks, that's useful to know. If there are any other bus routes serving Amazon at Pontefract Lane I shall ride CityZap there one day. If you don't want to wait for the 14, which runs half hourly during the day and hourly eve/sun then the more frequent 5 runs quite close to Amazon on the Halton Moor Road side of the industrial estate, Farnell Parts is the first big warehouse you'll see followed shortly after by Amazon. The drivers won't be all that helpful however and tell you they don't serve it, however it's only a 5 minute walk from the 5 terminus to the estate and a couple minutes more from where the estate starts off Halton Moor Road to Amazon. Thank you both for your advice. I would probably catch CityZap to Amazon then walk to Halton Moor for route 5 back into Leeds.
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Post by Username on Jul 2, 2022 18:55:40 GMT 1
I would make some changes to the Todmorden Bus routes with First. I would make buses every 10 minutes a long the Calder Valley again. The buses will be every 10 minutes to Hebden Bridge, Every 15 minutes to Todmorden and then every roughly 15-30 minutes between Todmorden and Rochdale/Burnley. Service 589 will be reintroduced running the existing route apart from some slight alterings of the route. It will serve Harp Hill Road and then along the normal route to Red Lees Road and then the service can run straight up Burnley Road avoiding Red Lees and Bunshaw down Todmorden Road into Burnley. How on earth do you run a 10 minute frequency to Hebden Bridge then a 15 minute service to Todmorden? That's mathematically impossible. As I said it would be rougly every 15-30 minutes as the 589 will be filling in some gaps.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 2, 2022 19:01:53 GMT 1
If you don't want to wait for the 14, which runs half hourly during the day and hourly eve/sun then the more frequent 5 runs quite close to Amazon on the Halton Moor Road side of the industrial estate, Farnell Parts is the first big warehouse you'll see followed shortly after by Amazon. The drivers won't be all that helpful however and tell you they don't serve it, however it's only a 5 minute walk from the 5 terminus to the estate and a couple minutes more from where the estate starts off Halton Moor Road to Amazon. Remember to wear a stab-vest though. Indeed, I’m not sure that’s good advice to suggest someone from out of the area should wander around on their own down the backstreets and ginnels between the industrial area and Halton Moor of all places
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Post by joseph on Jul 2, 2022 19:12:14 GMT 1
Remember to wear a stab-vest though. Indeed, I’m not sure that’s good advice to suggest someone from out of the area should wander around on their own down the backstreets and ginnels between the industrial area and Halton Moor of all places If it's that bad during daylight hours then the more important question is why the hell have locals allowed it to get so bad? We badly need an angry zero tolerance Ray Mallom approach in this county if things are that bad where someone isn't safe during the day, not soft Brabin. It can't possibly be so bad after all there are workers on the industrial estate who use the 5 at all sorts of hours. Besides, if Halton Moor is bad then the very close by Industrial Estate will be just as bad to walk through bearing in mind they are right next to each other.
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Post by kendall17 on Jul 2, 2022 19:58:15 GMT 1
Remember to wear a stab-vest though. Indeed, I’m not sure that’s good advice to suggest someone from out of the area should wander around on their own down the backstreets and ginnels between the industrial area and Halton Moor of all places There's a road (closed to motor vehicles) that connects Halton Moor & the A63, well lit & no issues. That end of HM aint bad either
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