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Post by WYBS on Apr 17, 2022 20:38:02 GMT 1
A route I never had chance to ride but wish I could have was the (and correct me if I'm wrong) peak time Keighley 696 from Bradford to Oakworth? Or was it Oxenhope?
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Post by Burnside on Apr 17, 2022 20:58:28 GMT 1
The 696 was Bradford to Keighley avoiding James St and Hill Top.
The route you're referring to will be the 698, Bradford - Denholme - Haworth - Oxenhope.
There was, at one time, also a 699 which went to Oakworth.
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Post by WYBS on Apr 17, 2022 21:04:47 GMT 1
The 696 was Bradford to Keighley avoiding James St and Hill Top. The route you're referring to will be the 698, Bradford - Denholme - Haworth - Oxenhope. There was, at one time, also a 699 which went to Oakworth. Ah yes, that's the one. When was this cut? I'm guessing it was at the same time as the 696 was withdrawn? 2019 maybe? |
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Apr 17, 2022 22:02:31 GMT 1
Was there ever a Bradford to Keighley via Cottingley X67 route. I surely remember that was a peak only route. But nowadays I suppose people take to the train for the fastest route and not the 662 via Saltaire.
Speaking of which the 663,664,665 - Old numbers for brontebus routes
They used to link onto the 662 routes to Bradford. Nowadays you’d never do that route. There was also a 666/667 Skipton - Keighley - Bradford. Merge of 66 and 662.
The 760 ( of the 90s) which went to Wetherby after Keighley to Leeds (60 routing) the. Route went via the 7 through Seacroft and Thorner
Anyone manage to know how it kept time with that sort of distance to drive.
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Post by steve440 on Apr 17, 2022 22:04:20 GMT 1
My favorite without a doubt was the full-length X6. It was much more satisfying compared to the remaining routes to Leeds from Huddersfield. It had less turns unsatisfying turns, traffic lights and break stops! Just a shame it wasn't any faster. When I drove the X6 on a couple of occasions out of Bramley garage in 1989, the journey time was Leeds to Bradford 35 minutes and Bradford to Huddersfield 30 minutes with a 5 minute layover at each end and also in Bradford, giving a round trip of 2 hours 30 minutes. Is that fast enough? Also at that time it ran via Swinnow and Pudsey as it had done since it was introduced in 1985 or early 1986 (can't remember which). |
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Apr 17, 2022 23:27:36 GMT 1
Was there ever a Bradford to Keighley via Cottingley X67 route. I surely remember that was a peak only route. But nowadays I suppose people take to the train for the fastest route and not the 662 via Saltaire. Yes, can't remember the exact details but it was an X22 ? running daytime only half-hourly via Toller Lane, Cottingley shops, Bingley and the present-day 60 route into Keighley. At the time there were an incredible 6 bph from Bradford to Cottingley! There was an earlier X67 Bradford – Silsden 1 BPD each direction into Bradford am peak v/v evening peak |
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Post by deerfold on Apr 18, 2022 0:06:11 GMT 1
Just a shame it wasn't any faster. When I drove the X6 on a couple of occasions out of Bramley garage in 1989, the journey time was Leeds to Bradford 35 minutes and Bradford to Huddersfield 30 minutes with a 5 minute layover at each end and also in Bradford, giving a round trip of 2 hours 30 minutes. Is that fast enough? Also at that time it ran via Swinnow and Pudsey as it had done since it was introduced in 1985 or early 1986 (can't remember which). It wasn't any faster than the non-express services between Leeds and Huddersfield because they took a more direct route. |
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Post by deerfold on Apr 18, 2022 0:13:17 GMT 1
Was there ever a Bradford to Keighley via Cottingley X67 route. I surely remember that was a peak only route. But nowadays I suppose people take to the train for the fastest route and not the 662 via Saltaire. Speaking of which the 663,664,665 - Old numbers for brontebus routes They used to link onto the 662 routes to Bradford. Nowadays you’d never do that route. There was also a 666/667 Skipton - Keighley - Bradford. Merge of 66 and 662. The 760 ( of the 90s) which went to Wetherby after Keighley to Leeds (60 routing) the. Route went via the 7 through Seacroft and Thorner Anyone manage to know how it kept time with that sort of distance to drive. The X67 was the peak express Bradford to Keighley (and at times on to Skipton). Going back to the 60s the 67 ran hourly through the day Skipton to Bradford. The 662-9 were every 10 minutes Keighley to Bradford. For a long time there was a 20 minute service to Mytholmes before it was split into hourly Oakworth/Oxenhope/Stanbury. There was a 20 minute service to Skipton taking 3 sightly different routes, rationalised into the 66 and the 78A before that was cut back to no longer serve Keighley. |
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Post by Username on Apr 18, 2022 12:11:58 GMT 1
Was there ever a Bradford to Keighley via Cottingley X67 route. I surely remember that was a peak only route. But nowadays I suppose people take to the train for the fastest route and not the 662 via Saltaire. Speaking of which the 663,664,665 - Old numbers for brontebus routes They used to link onto the 662 routes to Bradford. Nowadays you’d never do that route. There was also a 666/667 Skipton - Keighley - Bradford. Merge of 66 and 662. The 760 ( of the 90s) which went to Wetherby after Keighley to Leeds (60 routing) the. Route went via the 7 through Seacroft and Thorner Anyone manage to know how it kept time with that sort of distance to drive. The 663 was later made joined with 500 when they tookover First running it. |
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Post by mattb7tl on Apr 18, 2022 12:43:53 GMT 1
When I drove the X6 on a couple of occasions out of Bramley garage in 1989, the journey time was Leeds to Bradford 35 minutes and Bradford to Huddersfield 30 minutes with a 5 minute layover at each end and also in Bradford, giving a round trip of 2 hours 30 minutes. Is that fast enough? Also at that time it ran via Swinnow and Pudsey as it had done since it was introduced in 1985 or early 1986 (can't remember which). It wasn't any faster than the non-express services between Leeds and Huddersfield because they took a more direct route. True! It was faster, more direct, and has fancier buses allocated to the routes. However, I think a route being satisfying and enjoyable is just as important as those three factors. The non-express bus routes feel as if they have traffic lights, timing points and traffic for miles upon miles. |
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Post by joseph on Apr 18, 2022 13:15:15 GMT 1
If it helps with the 'which was faster' argument, the quickest journey for an X6 back in 2003 was something like 10 to 15 minutes quicker than the quickest journey on all the Arriva routes. I know this as I spent a good few minutes looking at the journey time info within the timetable displays in Leeds bus station one day when trying to find out which would be quicker.
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Post by jdodger08 on Apr 18, 2022 18:23:33 GMT 1
The 496 when it ran through to Doncaster.
Loved knowing I could buy a west Yorkshire day ticket and actually leave the County.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Apr 18, 2022 18:48:58 GMT 1
The 496 when it ran through to Doncaster. Loved knowing I could buy a west Yorkshire day ticket and actually leave the County. The 410 did Leeds to Doncaster for quite sometime before it’s Pontefract cut back and now it’s recent change to 140. Also 411 did Leeds to Doncaster via Knottingley, Cridling Stubbs and Askern via A19. That too got a Pontefract curtail. Birth of the 414 to do the Doncaster run for many years. The 90s route of the 410 was direct via East Hardwick and Thorpe Audlin then down A1 and A638 to Doncaster. The 2000s route went via Darrington. Then the true split came birth of the 408/409. |
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Post by dlspotter on Apr 18, 2022 18:50:05 GMT 1
The 496 when it ran through to Doncaster. Loved knowing I could buy a west Yorkshire day ticket and actually leave the County. Did this with the 408/409 recently until they made it just a West Yorkshire day ticket |
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Post by Burnside on Apr 18, 2022 22:08:57 GMT 1
The 696 was Bradford to Keighley avoiding James St and Hill Top. The route you're referring to will be the 698, Bradford - Denholme - Haworth - Oxenhope. There was, at one time, also a 699 which went to Oakworth. Ah yes, that's the one. When was this cut? I'm guessing it was at the same time as the 696 was withdrawn? 2019 maybe? I think at one point there was a half hourly frequency between Bradford and Cross Road, with 1 bus being a 697 to/from Keighley, the other being a 698 or 699 (i forget which) to/from either Oakworth or Oxenhope. Latterly the 698 ran as a peak time only service, 1 journey Oxenhope to Bradford in a morning and 1 back in the afternoon. |
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Post by martinsfp on Apr 19, 2022 17:24:01 GMT 1
Ah yes, that's the one. When was this cut? I'm guessing it was at the same time as the 696 was withdrawn? 2019 maybe? I think at one point there was a half hourly frequency between Bradford and Cross Road, with 1 bus being a 697 to/from Keighley, the other being a 698 or 699 (i forget which) to/from either Oakworth or Oxenhope. Latterly the 698 ran as a peak time only service, 1 journey Oxenhope to Bradford in a morning and 1 back in the afternoon. The 699 was the hourly one alongside the 697, with the 696 and 698 running peak-only journeys. |
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Post by joseph on Apr 19, 2022 19:49:02 GMT 1
Slightly off topic but one thing I do miss is United running it's share of the 36, the sight of an old looking red Bristol VR with the blue/white United logo travelling through posh Harewood was quite a contrast lol.
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Post by yorkslad on Apr 19, 2022 20:58:02 GMT 1
I miss the routes of my youth. The 45 (which became the 95), joined by the 64 before they became the 38 & 39. The 49 from Hyde Park to Old Farnley via Armley. The 47 via the Ring Road and Gelderd Road between Old Farnley and Leeds. Later on, the 655 and 755 which I did from Horsforth to Bradford as a student on many occasions.
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Post by SF07 on Apr 19, 2022 22:38:33 GMT 1
For me it would be the 562 Halifax to Oldham. A nice route over the tops into Greater Manchester but alas probably one that will never be restored. M62 Halifax White rose Leeds fastest way to Leeds by bus from Halifax These were two routes that I liked when they used to run in the early 2000s. Nice scenic run on the 562 over the Pennines into Halifax and then the arrivals/departures of the two services were nicely timed, where you could switch from one service to the other with a 5-10 minute connection time at Halifax. Meant you was able to travel between Oldham and Leeds in roughly two hours. Was also useful when First Manchester's day ticket was valid on First West Yorkshire services, which meant one ticket for both journeys. Can't see the Oldham-Halifax route ever coming back, not even as a limited Saturday service, as it probably will attract fewer passengers now than when it was withdrawn. Plus the Oldham-Denshaw section of the route now runs onto Ashton-under-Lyne via Uppermill. My favorite without a doubt was the full-length X6. It was much more satisfying compared to the remaining routes to Leeds from Huddersfield. It had less turns unsatisfying turns, traffic lights and break stops! Do miss the X6 running all the way between Huddersfield and Leeds, as the connections at Bradford aren't always reliable. Sometimes it would end up being quicker to Leeds by changing at Brighouse Sainsburys to the M62 service. Shame there isn't any express route between Huddersfield and Leeds these days, as the 229 still feels a bit slow, even after removing the section through Batley. Main problem with that is the train service being able to do the journey in 20 minutes. Cityzap. It did get quite a few passengers, the majority of it being elderly so the company did not really earn much money from the service. However, now Huddersfield is part of the Transdev empire, if the service ran like this: From Manchester to the route it used to run all the way to Mount, then down Newhey Road, stopping outside Sadeline Nook Sainsbury's and Acre Street for the Huddersfield Royal Infirmary and then non stop to Huddersfield Bus Station. Then from there it could run along the 503 route to Ainley Top and then head back on to the M62 and run all the way to Leeds, following the 51, 52 and PR1 off the M621 motorway and then to the Bus Station. Also another service that I miss is the 559 from Halifax to Deanhead. It's a shame the demand between Ringstone Reservoir and Deanhead was very little however the area is still served by the 900 service, so I guess it is not a total loss. One of the problems with the CityZap service is that I don't think there was much awareness of the service at the Manchester end, whereas the CityZap name already had a presence in Leeds with the Leeds-York service. I remember catching the CityZap service on a Saturday morning from Manchester and there would only be a few people on it, whereas the bus would be much busier heading in the opposite direction. One time, I left Leeds at rush hour at 5.30 and was the only person travelling towards Manchester. Definitely also didn't help having CityZap Leeds-Mcr running from Burnley depot, as any breakdowns would have a major impact on journeys. Plus the M62 can be notoriously unreliable with closures and traffic. They also ran close by to three major towns in Oldham, Halifax and Huddersfield, yet were probably too far away to get people in from those towns on to the service. CityZap may have a better chance now that Transdev have a bigger presence in Calderdale/Kirklees with Team Pennine depots in Elland and Waterloo. They could have services that can feed into the CityZap service from nearby areas. Or could perhaps run an express/limited stop service serving more destinations along the way, such as Oldham/Rochdale and/or Halifax/Huddersfield/Brighouse. Maybe could target the bigger shopping destinations too, such as White Rose Centre (shades of the M62 service again) or the Trafford Centre (although First did try with the M60 service though, which followed the Witch Way X43 from the M60 motorway into Manchester via Prestwich before heading to the Trafford Centre before replacing it with an extended 561 from Rishworth direct to Trafford Centre). One thing that will probably prevent any new cross-county services into Greater Manchester will be the impending bus franchising plan, which should be in place by the end of 2024, with permits required to run a service from outside the area into Greater Manchester. |
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Post by driver6540 on Apr 23, 2022 22:13:23 GMT 1
it's the old 262 for me. pre-de reg operated jointly by Yorkshire Woolen and Tracky usually using National mk1's and mk2's. Not the quickest route from Dewsbury to Huddersfield, but i could always get a seat at peak times on that service, unlike the marginally quicker 201/2/3 route.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Apr 24, 2022 0:04:45 GMT 1
More recent routes from the 90s beyond
The old 15 Bradford - Leeds - Seacroft.
Must say was useful for Kirkstall road corridor to Gipton
We could commonly agree that a 508 via Stanningley road was always a miss . If anything I would have attempted to improve running time from Dawson Corner via Stanningley by pass and called it X8. Limited stop conditions serves stops like X6. To make it attractive to passengers.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 24, 2022 7:55:04 GMT 1
I miss the Sunday 223, and I think similar Mon-Sat 221, linking the back streets of Mirfield with Leeds. I think some of it is now covered by route 261.
Also routes X32/33 linking Sheffield with West Yorkshire, including Bradford (I forget their exact routings, but the mix of operators added to the interest).
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Post by martinsfp on Apr 24, 2022 17:23:01 GMT 1
I miss the Sunday 223, and I think similar Mon-Sat 221, linking the back streets of Mirfield with Leeds. I think some of it is now covered by route 261. Also routes X32/33 linking Sheffield with West Yorkshire, including Bradford (I forget their exact routings, but the mix of operators added to the interest). X32: Leeds - M1 - Barnsley- Meadowhall - Sheffield X33: Bradford - M606 - Cleckheaton - Heckmondwike - Dewsbury - Wakefield - Barnsley - M1 - Meadowhall- Sheffield |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 24, 2022 17:41:29 GMT 1
I miss the Sunday 223, and I think similar Mon-Sat 221, linking the back streets of Mirfield with Leeds. I think some of it is now covered by route 261. Also routes X32/33 linking Sheffield with West Yorkshire, including Bradford (I forget their exact routings, but the mix of operators added to the interest). X32: Leeds - M1 - Barnsley- Meadowhall - Sheffield X33: Bradford - M606 - Cleckheaton - Heckmondwike - Dewsbury - Wakefield - M1 - Barnsley - Meadowhall- Sheffield Oh thanks for clarifying their routings. I just doubt it saved much time using the motorway between Bradford and Cleckheaton. |
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Post by martinsfp on Apr 24, 2022 21:29:42 GMT 1
Although now I think about it, the X33 took the M1 *after* Barnsley. Updating my post above.
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