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Post by BusmanBry on Jan 27, 2022 22:40:13 GMT 1
Hi there Mutty,
Thanks ever so much for taking the time to explain things. So if the services are to be axed due to low passenger numbers wont that still mean that the company wont need as many drivers as there wont be as many routes to cover or for the drivers to learn?. So basically the same thing, less routes will mean no need for more drivers.
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Post by kendall17 on Jan 27, 2022 23:41:35 GMT 1
There will always be attrition in large companies. They'll always need drivers.
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Post by twy7 on Jan 29, 2022 0:22:38 GMT 1
There are a lot of news report about the arriva change and a petition for saving the 117. What do we think about what happen next? Does any body think it will be put back on?
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Post by WYBS on Jan 29, 2022 1:38:55 GMT 1
Hello and good morning to everyone. I wanted to ask a question about the services that are going to be withdrawn by Arriva next month ( February 2022 ). Have Arriva decided to withdraw the services due to driver shortages?. and if thats so then does that mean that if there are less services then Arriva wont be organising any further recruitment days at Wakefield?. I was aiming to join Arriva as a driver from May 11th this year. Even with cuts to services I would imagine there'll still be a shortage of drivers for quite a while.
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Post by joseph on Jan 29, 2022 9:06:08 GMT 1
There are a lot of news report about the arriva change and a petition for saving the 117. What do we think about what happen next? Does any body think it will be put back on? I bet what'll happen is an enhanced X17 running a few additional journeys in between peaks using 1 bus between Ossett and Leeds. On another note, Longstaff may want to trial extending the 205 to White Rose direct via Leeds Road (renumbering 206 so as not to clash with TLC) bearing in mind how long the 202 and 203 will now take to get there whilst they meander about, especially the 203, in the state Arriva are in they won't try and fight back as that'll mean they have to cut routes in order to do so.
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Post by stephen01 on Jan 29, 2022 10:39:58 GMT 1
There are a lot of news report about the arriva change and a petition for saving the 117. What do we think about what happen next? Does any body think it will be put back on? Nope. The same happened when the 253 got asked. Loads of councils and MPs called for it not to happen including the Mayor put Arriva were against it and the plan got blocked on the committee at Metro level.
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Post by Username on Jan 29, 2022 13:31:09 GMT 1
There are a lot of news report about the arriva change and a petition for saving the 117. What do we think about what happen next? Does any body think it will be put back on? Nope. The same happened when the 253 got asked. Loads of councils and MPs called for it not to happen including the Mayor put Arriva were against it and the plan got blocked on the committee at Metro level. People are always angry at Arriva. A lot of people gave arriva critism for cutting the 278 service between Halifax and Dewsbury on Halifax courier.
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Post by stephen01 on Jan 29, 2022 14:18:03 GMT 1
There are a lot of news report about the arriva change and a petition for saving the 117. What do we think about what happen next? Does any body think it will be put back on? I bet what'll happen is an enhanced X17 running a few additional journeys in between peaks using 1 bus between Ossett and Leeds. On another note, Longstaff may want to trial extending the 205 to White Rose direct via Leeds Road (renumbering 206 so as not to clash with TLC) bearing in mind how long the 202 and 203 will now take to get there whilst they meander about, especially the 203, in the state Arriva are in they won't try and fight back as that'll mean they have to cut routes in order to do so. that idea was tried a decade ago approx by SGI with their 200 service that ran Thornhill to White Rose Centre running to that exact route from Dewsbury to White Rose and it didnt have much footfall. Now i'm not saying it can't be attempted again by Lyles extending the 205 or say Station Coaches giving it as shot as it could be more used this time round with the changes in Dewsbury and more of a range available at the White Rose.
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Post by stephen01 on Jan 29, 2022 14:31:56 GMT 1
Nope. The same happened when the 253 got asked. Loads of councils and MPs called for it not to happen including the Mayor put Arriva were against it and the plan got blocked on the committee at Metro level. People are always angry at Arriva. A lot of people gave arriva critism for cutting the 278 service between Halifax and Dewsbury on Halifax courier. exactly as the 278 was well used and had quite a few vital links including linking Dewsbury & Mirfield to Calderdale Royal but Arriva's solution to move most of the links to under Yorkshire Tiger backfired as well as the 278 cover the X78 was a massive flop. The biggest issue the communities have with Arriva over the last several years with all the changes and cuts they have been done without public consultation. The only operator who makes an effort to carry out public consultation in West Yorkshire First (ironic i know given the hassle they get at the moment)
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Post by kommie123 on Jan 29, 2022 16:31:59 GMT 1
Someone could be quite clever here.
Keep the 117 name and run it Ossett to Leeds only.
Instead, divert it down Chancery Road then down Wakefield Road and Bywell Lane then into Leeds Road towards Leeds direct down existing 203 route missing out Batley Road and Haigh Moor Road.
The journey could be done end to end in 50 minutes.
Itll pick up more passengers wanting a direct bus. It keeps the link from Ossett to Leeds. Just requires 2 buses.
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Post by stephen01 on Jan 29, 2022 17:45:11 GMT 1
Someone could be quite clever here. Keep the 117 name and run it Ossett to Leeds only. Instead, divert it down Chancery Road then down Wakefield Road and Bywell Lane then into Leeds Road towards Leeds direct down existing 203 route missing out Batley Road and Haigh Moor Road. The journey could be done end to end in 50 minutes. Itll pick up more passengers wanting a direct bus. It keeps the link from Ossett to Leeds. Just requires 2 buses. that is do able and could be feasible.
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Post by stephen01 on Jan 29, 2022 18:40:16 GMT 1
Someone could be quite clever here. Keep the 117 name and run it Ossett to Leeds only. Instead, divert it down Chancery Road then down Wakefield Road and Bywell Lane then into Leeds Road towards Leeds direct down existing 203 route missing out Batley Road and Haigh Moor Road. The journey could be done end to end in 50 minutes. Itll pick up more passengers wanting a direct bus. It keeps the link from Ossett to Leeds. Just requires 2 buses. that is do able and could be feasible. the X17 between Ossett & Leeds takes 57 mins and that runs more direct as it doesn't serve Gawthorpe, Westerton & White Rose Centre. To do it in 50 mins it would be best to run from Ossett to Shawcross going around Prospect Way and run up Kingsway then pick up X17 route at Leeds Road (only issues for timing would be Owl Lane at Peak times) but then run it via Millshaw Road as it would save time. If the demand is there for the White Rose to still be served the run via in link road behind the Sainsbury's Petrol Station and then from White Rose to Leeds run as an Express Service either done the M621 or even straight done Hunslet but still as an Express.
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Post by twy7 on Jan 29, 2022 18:48:35 GMT 1
People are always angry at Arriva. A lot of people gave arriva critism for cutting the 278 service between Halifax and Dewsbury on Halifax courier. exactly as the 278 was well used and had quite a few vital links including linking Dewsbury & Mirfield to Calderdale Royal but Arriva's solution to move most of the links to under Yorkshire Tiger backfired as well as the 278 cover the X78 was a massive flop. The biggest issue the communities have with Arriva over the last several years with all the changes and cuts they have been done without public consultation. The only operator who makes an effort to carry out public consultation in West Yorkshire First (ironic i know given the hassle they get at the moment) That is not true always because I went to consultation in rothwell with arriva. I think they do consultation when they change route but they do not do consultation when they take a route a way. I think so it be daft to say we want to stop the bus because every one will say no
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Post by twy7 on Jan 29, 2022 18:52:39 GMT 1
Someone could be quite clever here. Keep the 117 name and run it Ossett to Leeds only. Instead, divert it down Chancery Road then down Wakefield Road and Bywell Lane then into Leeds Road towards Leeds direct down existing 203 route missing out Batley Road and Haigh Moor Road. The journey could be done end to end in 50 minutes. Itll pick up more passengers wanting a direct bus. It keeps the link from Ossett to Leeds. Just requires 2 buses. that is do able and could be feasible. I have never been on 117 but are there that many people who travel to white rose or leeds from onset because it look like a very small town?
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Post by dlspotter on Jan 29, 2022 20:12:53 GMT 1
that is do able and could be feasible. I have never been on 117 but are there that many people who travel to white rose or leeds from onset because it look like a very small town? I would've said Ossett is quite a large town for a suburban town like it is, having its own bus station as well. A lot of people used to get the 117 from Ossett towards Leeds and White Rose, in fact I have occasionally been on 80% full doubles on this section of the route alone.
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Post by twy7 on Jan 29, 2022 21:10:06 GMT 1
I have never been on 117 but are there that many people who travel to white rose or leeds from onset because it look like a very small town? I would've said Ossett is quite a large town for a suburban town like it is, having its own bus station as well. A lot of people used to get the 117 from Ossett towards Leeds and White Rose, in fact I have occasionally been on 80% full doubles on this section of the route alone. Sorry I mean small compare as same size as normanton could be but may be it is bigger. This is what had me confused because why would arriva get rid if it had so many people and all signature of petition. I should have a day out to ossett to try it before it is gone.
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Post by BusmanBry on Jan 29, 2022 21:22:08 GMT 1
Thanks to West Yorkshire Bus Spotter and Kendall17 for reassuring me about future driving vacancy possibilities with Arriva Yorkshire ( Wakefield ).
I have my PCV licence and my driver CPC card so would basically just need to be route trained and get familiar with the ticket machine.
I`ll just need to be at home and wait patiently till May 11th....It`ll soon pass :-)
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Post by mutty on Jan 29, 2022 22:38:10 GMT 1
Thanks to West Yorkshire Bus Spotter and Kendall17 for reassuring me about future driving vacancy possibilities with Arriva Yorkshire ( Wakefield ). I have my PCV licence and my driver CPC card so would basically just need to be route trained and get familiar with the ticket machine. I`ll just need to be at home and wait patiently till May 11th....It`ll soon pass :-) Come to Hecky - best depot 😉
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Post by Dom on Feb 1, 2022 15:27:31 GMT 1
Service 55 / 65 to go back to Leeds (Hunslet this time).
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Post by jst on Feb 1, 2022 19:37:22 GMT 1
Considering Castleford can't reliably run what they've got with driver shortages I'm not sure the logic of them picking up more work!
21/22 is a fair bit of dead mileage, unless they can somehow interwork it with the 164 at the Garforth end (or run empty to/from Leeds to link in with the X60).
A very odd choice of route for them to pick up for sure.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 1, 2022 19:40:26 GMT 1
It’s not exactly a massive amount of dead mileage from Castleford to Swillington/Garforth etc
I’d always assumed the 21/22 were commercial
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Post by twy7 on Feb 1, 2022 20:05:30 GMT 1
Considering Castleford can't reliably run what they've got with driver shortages I'm not sure the logic of them picking up more work! 21/22 is a fair bit of dead mileage, unless they can somehow interwork it with the 164 at the Garforth end (or run empty to/from Leeds to link in with the X60). A very odd choice of route for them to pick up for sure. I got told that castleford will take over wakefield 147 as well . Could it be they have found more driver from some where?
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Post by kendall17 on Feb 1, 2022 20:25:28 GMT 1
Considering Castleford can't reliably run what they've got with driver shortages I'm not sure the logic of them picking up more work! 21/22 is a fair bit of dead mileage, unless they can somehow interwork it with the 164 at the Garforth end (or run empty to/from Leeds to link in with the X60). A very odd choice of route for them to pick up for sure. Wouldn't be suprised if the 153 got commercially extended to Swilly, or 22 to Rothwell and they interwork.
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Post by peteleeds on Feb 1, 2022 20:32:28 GMT 1
Considering Castleford can't reliably run what they've got with driver shortages I'm not sure the logic of them picking up more work! 21/22 is a fair bit of dead mileage, unless they can somehow interwork it with the 164 at the Garforth end (or run empty to/from Leeds to link in with the X60). A very odd choice of route for them to pick up for sure. Wouldn't be suprised if the 153 got commercially extended to Swilly, or 22 to Rothwell and they interwork. Didn't the 22 originally run rothwell to seacroft. But then they got the tender for the halton seacroft service and merged it into timetable
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Post by kendall17 on Feb 1, 2022 20:43:50 GMT 1
It’s not exactly a massive amount of dead mileage from Castleford to Swillington/Garforth etc I’d always assumed the 21/22 were commercial Given the number of dead running buses I see on the M1/M621 every morning, I'm sure if they did run it as a standalone board, they'd deal with it.
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