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Post by SF07 on Aug 1, 2016 18:41:39 GMT 1
PB0001748/11 - KEIGHLEY & DISTRICT TRAVEL LTD, PROSPECT PARK, BROUGHTON WAY, STARBECK, HARROGATE, HG2 7NY
Variation Accepted: Operating between Keighley and Harrogate given service number 62 effective from 02-Oct-2016. To amend Timetable.
PB0001748/98 - KEIGHLEY & DISTRICT TRAVEL LTD, PROSPECT PARK, BROUGHTON WAY, STARBECK, HARROGATE, HG2 7NY
Variation Accepted: Operating between ILKLEY and MALHAM given service number 873/884 effective from 02-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0001873/64 - YORKSHIRE COASTLINER LTD, BLAZEFIELD HOUSE, RUSSELL STREET, KEIGHLEY, BD21 2JX
Variation Accepted: Operating between Malton Bus Station and Filey Bus Station given service number 845 effective from 02-Oct-2016. To amend Timetable.
PB0001873/65 - YORKSHIRE COASTLINER LTD, BLAZEFIELD HOUSE, RUSSELL STREET, KEIGHLEY, BD21 2JX
Variation Accepted: Operating between Filey Bus Station and Bridlington Bus Station given service number 845 effective from 02-Oct-2016. To amend Timetable.
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Post by SF07 on Aug 9, 2016 20:32:12 GMT 1
PB0000815/770 - FIRST WEST YORKSHIRE LTD, HUNSLET PARK DEPOT, DONISTHORPE STREET, LEEDS, LS10 1PL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Pudsey Bus Station/Pudsey Galloway Lane and Cross Gates given service number 11/11E effective from 02-Oct-2016. To amend Timetable.
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Post by Matty on Aug 26, 2016 13:21:46 GMT 1
TLC's 948/9 service & 967 Airport gone to Transdev with 948/9 been cut to peak time only. 947 withdrawn. Hebden Bridge & Todmorden local tenders been given a 3 year extention & new buses been ordered.
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Post by britannia94 on Aug 26, 2016 17:46:47 GMT 1
TLC's 948/9 service & 967 Airport gone to Transdev with 948/9 been cut to peak time only. 947 withdrawn. Hebden Bridge & Todmorden local tenders been given a 3 year extention & new buses been ordered. Doesn't surprise me in regards to the 948/949 every time I've seen them they've either been empty or had one or two passengers on board. |
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Post by deerfold on Aug 26, 2016 18:01:32 GMT 1
TLC's 948/9 service & 967 Airport gone to Transdev with 948/9 been cut to peak time only. 947 withdrawn. Hebden Bridge & Todmorden local tenders been given a 3 year extention & new buses been ordered. Doesn't surprise me in regards to the 948/949 every time I've seen them they've either been empty or had one or two passengers on board. That really doesn't surprise me. Looking at the Metro Web site on my phone they don't appear to exist (although I know they do). |
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Post by chrisboy96 on Aug 26, 2016 19:31:01 GMT 1
Connexions lose the Otley/Ilkley locals to the frenchies from the same time. An impeccably run network lost to a foreign firm to increase the war against a locally owned, locally run company.
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Post by martinjwdton on Aug 26, 2016 19:36:20 GMT 1
THE harrogate bus company getting stuffed again , shocking tactics , poor gamesmanship , I am a regular driver on the 962 and am deeply upset , what does transdev have to gain by bidding or tendering a price at a loss, slowly trying to bring down the opposition , well let's hit them where it hurts boss , you know my views and I am standing by you , in the words of the great wwe commentator
Business is about to pick up
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 26, 2016 19:54:28 GMT 1
Connexions lose the Otley/Ilkley locals to the frenchies from the same time. An impeccably run network lost to a foreign firm to increase the war against a locally owned, locally run company. Oh please, "frenchies" "foreign firm" I didn't realise they were being run from their Paris office. If Arriva had won would you say, it's those Germans winning a contract, or indeed if First or Stagecoach won a contract it'd be those Scots again. |
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Post by stevieinselby on Aug 26, 2016 19:59:30 GMT 1
TLC's 948/9 service & 967 Airport gone to Transdev Harrogate or Keighley? |
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Aug 26, 2016 20:16:45 GMT 1
martinjwdton, Connexions would be far better off carving out a niche market rather than trying to beat as well as agitate Transdev, pulling out of the X1 and Pannal services would help calm Transdev down, the X70 does have a bit of a niche to it with serving Deighton but perhaps timing journeys away from 770 journeys will also help. Now I know some X70 journeys connect with York journeys but can the York service not be re-timed by say 15 mins? Why doesn't Connexions have a go at operating some unique services in Leeds commercially? Some urban parts of Leeds are quite far from a bus stop and with a bit of persuasive pressure marketing, I'm sure the following suggestions will be successful.
X1, every 20 mins from Leeds Upper Briggate running non stop to Harehills Lane then turning left up Harehills Lane to Potternewton Lane, Left along Potternewton Lane to Scott Hall Road then non stop back to Leeds Vicar Lane. Large parts of Chapletown and Potternewton currently only served by the 91 (unless you live mid way on Potternewton Lane where you don't even have that) with a long walk to the nearest city centre service will now have a fast much closer to access bus. The non stop parts will ensure competition with First is mostly avoided.
X2 reverse of X1 every 20 mins, both services combining from Leeds and Chapletown Harehills Lane every 10 mins.
You could even have another service in the same area starting from Harrogate Road running every 30 mins to Leeds via Gledhow Valley Road serving the streets just off Gledhow Valley Road as many are a bit of a walk to the nearest City Centre bus such as the 2,3,3A. This could interwork with the 38, only 10 mins away from Harrogate Road.
Can anyone else think of any more unique suggestions that could work? This is what Connexions need to be looking at, and now before Transdev up the anti.
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Post by rossbailey on Aug 26, 2016 20:51:19 GMT 1
Yeah I can. A fast York to Leeds/Bradford Airport service.
Could call at either York Knavesmire/York Collage or York University/Fulford then (A64) - Tadcaster - (A659) Boston Spar - Wetherby - Collingham - Harewood - (A658) Pool
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Post by neukit on Aug 26, 2016 21:09:05 GMT 1
THE harrogate bus company getting stuffed again , shocking tactics , poor gamesmanship , I am a regular driver on the 962 and am deeply upset , what does transdev have to gain by bidding or tendering a price at a loss, slowly trying to bring down the opposition , well let's hit them where it hurts boss , you know my views and I am standing by you , in the words of the great wwe commentator Business is about to pick up I admire the loyalty of staff who work for the small operators, and having been one of them myself in the past, I can fully understand why. They are often more likely to do the same regular shifts, and therefore get to know the regular passengers, which often makes for a more pleasant duty. However, I've noted that Connexions/HCT and their staff peddle the locally owned mantra more than I've ever seen elsewhere. Do all their staff benefit financially in some way if the company performs well? If not, what is the relevance of being "locally owned" compared with being owned by one of the large operators with their HQs in France/Germany/Scotland etc? The large companies are clearly managed locally in Yorkshire, and will be large employers in the areas in which they have depots, so the local economies will benefit greatly from their presence. Depending on the size of the smaller operators they will also benefit the local economy as an employer and purchaser of goods/services. However if it's only the owners who benefit financially if the company makes a profit, what is the difference to a driver (or other member of staff) from a financial perspective working for Connexions rather than Transdev etc. |
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Post by kendall17 on Aug 26, 2016 21:19:59 GMT 1
X1, every 20 mins from Leeds Upper Briggate running non stop to Harehills Lane then turning left up Harehills Lane That left turn makes you go through 4 sets of lights to get to Harehills lane. No left turn from Roundhay Road to Harehills lane. Having flexibility on tickets in Leeds makes First the only way forward and any competitors that come to the table are likely to fail. |
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Post by whereami on Aug 26, 2016 23:15:06 GMT 1
Also Yorkshire Tiger keep Huddersfield Free Town Bus, and also gain Dewsbury Free Bus, off CT Plus
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Post by deerfold on Aug 27, 2016 2:14:25 GMT 1
THE harrogate bus company getting stuffed again , shocking tactics , poor gamesmanship , I am a regular driver on the 962 and am deeply upset , what does transdev have to gain by bidding or tendering a price at a loss, slowly trying to bring down the opposition , well let's hit them where it hurts boss , you know my views and I am standing by you , in the words of the great wwe commentator Business is about to pick up Transdev lost almost all their franchised work in Keighley to TLC, with the 903 (which replaced parts of Keighley and District's old 713) going to Jacksons of Silsden. They don't seem to have worried about losing these. This suggests to me that one of 2 things is happening: 1 - Transdev are not bidding with a lossmaking bid - they just happen to be better value. 2 - They're fed up with Connexions running buses 5 minutes in front of theirs and are retaliating. |
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Aug 27, 2016 6:52:57 GMT 1
How do you find out all this info, when its not until October???
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Post by gooderson1 on Aug 27, 2016 7:06:49 GMT 1
TFL(for example) publish details of tender results on line after notifying the companies that submitted bids of their success or failure. However despite searching the Internet and asking on this forum I have never been able to find any tender results. The limited info for WYMetro results has always come from posting on this forum and from the changes page on the WYMetro site when they are published.
I note from a posting above someone stating "transdev tendering a price at a loss". When costing a quote for a tendered route the operator takes into account, wages, cost of vehicles, fuel, insurance etc. A larger company such as Transdev/First/Stagecoach may get a better price as part of their regular fleet replacement, fuel and insurance requirements than a small operator who only requires 1 or 2 vehicles to operate the tender if they are successful.
Hopefully someone may be able to help with a "link" to somewhere in order that we can all see the results for WYMetro .
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Post by rwilkes on Aug 27, 2016 9:23:43 GMT 1
www.wymetro.com/aboutmetro/business/contractawards/ But the October ones are not up yet! I have a preference for companies which allow me to travel evenings and Sundays. Even though I am an OAP I do not like being stuck at home at these times. Transdev drivers are working hard on evenings and Sundays, while others are having an easier time
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Post by northerner on Aug 27, 2016 10:03:31 GMT 1
This has to be the most ridiculous comment ever posted on this forum!! It's Metro who specify the tender, so the operator is irrelevant. If you take off those rose-tinted specs you would see Transdev have cut dozens of journeys on evenings and Sundays over recent years |
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Post by rwilkes on Aug 27, 2016 11:02:41 GMT 1
I understand completely the situation with Metro contracts, but this does not apply to commercial services!
First and Arriva also run on Sundays and evenings.
Yes, some of these services have been cut, mostly due to congestio and underpayment for OAPs.
I do not have any rose tinted specs but I do use buses. However, I am not a bus enthusiast or fan. I do not tak pictures of buses or take their numbers.
Its just a way of travelling when my feet or the train do not offer a better option. The only form of travel I am enthusiastic about is walking.
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Post by chrisboy96 on Aug 27, 2016 12:16:14 GMT 1
Connexions lose the Otley/Ilkley locals to the frenchies from the same time. An impeccably run network lost to a foreign firm to increase the war against a locally owned, locally run company. Oh please, "frenchies" "foreign firm" I didn't realise they were being run from their Paris office. If Arriva had won would you say, it's those Germans winning a contract, or indeed if First or Stagecoach won a contract it'd be those Scots again. Quite right, big firms take profits from local areas, put it in one big pot and spread it out evenly across the empire. Hence why the drivers were on strike earlier this year in Leeds, First Leeds make a large percentage of UK Bus profits yet don't gain the returns from the pot they deserve. At least with local firms such as Connexions, the profit is shared back across their community. |
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Post by chrisboy96 on Aug 27, 2016 12:18:09 GMT 1
martinjwdton, Connexions would be far better off carving out a niche market rather than trying to beat as well as agitate Transdev, pulling out of the X1 and Pannal services would help calm Transdev down, the X70 does have a bit of a niche to it with serving Deighton but perhaps timing journeys away from 770 journeys will also help. Now I know some X70 journeys connect with York journeys but can the York service not be re-timed by say 15 mins? Why doesn't Connexions have a go at operating some unique services in Leeds commercially? Some urban parts of Leeds are quite far from a bus stop and with a bit of persuasive pressure marketing, I'm sure the following suggestions will be successful. X1, every 20 mins from Leeds Upper Briggate running non stop to Harehills Lane then turning left up Harehills Lane to Potternewton Lane, Left along Potternewton Lane to Scott Hall Road then non stop back to Leeds Vicar Lane. Large parts of Chapletown and Potternewton currently only served by the 91 (unless you live mid way on Potternewton Lane where you don't even have that) with a long walk to the nearest city centre service will now have a fast much closer to access bus. The non stop parts will ensure competition with First is mostly avoided. X2 reverse of X1 every 20 mins, both services combining from Leeds and Chapletown Harehills Lane every 10 mins. You could even have another service in the same area starting from Harrogate Road running every 30 mins to Leeds via Gledhow Valley Road serving the streets just off Gledhow Valley Road as many are a bit of a walk to the nearest City Centre bus such as the 2,3,3A. This could interwork with the 38, only 10 mins away from Harrogate Road. Can anyone else think of any more unique suggestions that could work? This is what Connexions need to be looking at, and now before Transdev up the anti. First and Connexions have a good relationship as it stands, I think them treading on their toes could be a risky decision. The value of a First DayRider means it would be silly for any firm to try and take on First. |
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Post by stevieinselby on Aug 27, 2016 12:31:00 GMT 1
Yeah I can. A fast York to Leeds/Bradford Airport service. Could call at either York Knavesmire/York Collage or York University/Fulford then (A64) - Tadcaster - (A659) Boston Spar - Wetherby - Collingham - Harewood - (A658) Pool York to Leeds–Bradford has been tried on two different routes (more-or-less non-stop, and via Knaresborough), and it failed dismally on both of them due to the tiny number of passengers who wanted to travel. And what you've suggested is not in any sense a "fast" service. York to Tadcaster is already well served by Coastliner. York to Wetherby is already served by Connexions and only merits a 2-hourly service. The full route between Tadcaster and Pool is already served by Connexions and only merits a very infrequent service. The chances of picking up any significant volume of intermediate traffic is pretty much nil, other than by abstracting it from other services, which would make them less viable. And with an end-to-end journey time of about 80 minutes between York and the Airport, it would be significantly slower than either of the routes that First tried (even via Knaresborough was timed at 55 minutes) and so would likely attract even fewer passengers. |
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Post by stevieinselby on Aug 27, 2016 12:42:55 GMT 1
This has to be the most ridiculous comment ever posted on this forum!! It's Metro who specify the tender, so the operator is irrelevant. If you take off those rose-tinted specs you would see Transdev have cut dozens of journeys on evenings and Sundays over recent years It's a fair comment, although it doesn't get to the heart of the matter. Connexions have made a point about not running buses in the evenings and on Sundays, because that way they can keep their wage bill lower (drivers will accept lower rates of pay if they know they don't have to do any unsociable hours), which in turn means that they can keep fares down and run more marginal services – so while some passengers may lose out because they don't have an evening service, others gain because the buses are cheaper, and there may be routes running that would otherwise have been cancelled. There is no funding for evening or Sunday buses in North Yorkshire any more, but there is evidently some demand for travel from Harrogate to Knaresborough, Wetherby and Pannal Ash, because Transdev are running those services commercially. Whether there is enough demand to sustain competing services is a different question ... I suspect that between Harrogate and Knaresborough it could, I'm not sure about the others. But in all of those cases, passengers are not stranded, because there are Transdev services covering them. Better to concentrate your resources on where they are needed than where they are not. While First and Transdev provided the evening/Sunday services on the 13 in York, those were under subsidy contracts that pre-dated Connexions taking over the daytime service. Whether they would have taken those services on at renewal time is kinda moot now that the funding has been withdrawn. I'm struggling to think of any commercial evening or Sunday service that Transdev have withdrawn in recent years (although I have no doubt that there are some) – the majority of cuts have been because of funding cuts, although in many cases their services have been provided commercially and continue to be so. With innovations like the (Friday and) Saturday night services on the 36, Zap and X43, you can't say Transdev aren't trying. |
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Post by stevieinselby on Aug 27, 2016 13:36:34 GMT 1
Connexions would be far better off carving out a niche market rather than trying to beat as well as agitate Transdev, pulling out of the X1 and Pannal services would help calm Transdev down, the X70 does have a bit of a niche to it with serving Deighton but perhaps timing journeys away from 770 journeys will also help. Now I know some X70 journeys connect with York journeys but can the York service not be re-timed by say 15 mins? Why doesn't Connexions have a go at operating some unique services in Leeds commercially? Some urban parts of Leeds are quite far from a bus stop and with a bit of persuasive pressure marketing, I'm sure the following suggestions will be successful. Remember that Connexions have been trying to carve out their own niche. They put on buses to St James Retail Park when Transdev wouldn't do so, they put on fast buses to Wetherby, they put on through buses to York, they put on commercial services to Otley when First pulled out (at a better frequency), they retained services to Wedderburn and Duchy Road when funding for town buses was cancelled, they put on a clockface timetable for Pannal Ash and reinstated daytime services to Beckwith Knowle when Transdev scaled their service back. But in order to make these marginal services work, they have to be supported by a sound core of more robust services. If they weren't competing on the X1 and X70 then they would struggle to make the smaller routes pay. The problem in that area is that there are already so many strong commercial services. With the 2/3/36 running every 16bph along Chapeltown Road and Harrogate Road, and the 12/13 running 12bph along Roundhay Road, that looks like they've got most passengers pretty well sewn up. What might make more sense would be for First to divert either the 2 or the 3/3A to run via Spencer Place, Avenue Hill, Roxholme, Gledhow Park, Montreal and King George, if the areas away from the main roads need buses and if Potternewton Road needs direct buses to Leeds. I can't see there being enough demand to sustain an additional high frequency service threaded in the narrow corridors between the existing routes. Gledhow Valley Road would be pretty pointless, since there is next to no houses along there. |
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