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Post by peteleeds on May 5, 2016 7:48:26 GMT 1
Been reading the 760 wagon lane thread and realised this seems to be creeping in a lot. I've noticed on firsts middleton services they now show this as "Thorpe Lane" rather than when I lived there it was just Middleton. Middleton circular or Middleton Thorpe lane.
Is there a reason that the destinations on buses are now been shortened so much?
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Post by Steve Macz403 on May 5, 2016 13:33:47 GMT 1
maybe its to display easier info. They do this in London, removed the Via Points. So you can now see the buses final destination without knowing where it runs via.
I see 2 types in Display ( 13 Thorpe Lane, or 13 Middleton Circus or Circular, same with the 2)
The same could go for 51/52 Morley Tingley Mills or Tingley Mills could have you believe the bus went to Tingley itself.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 5, 2016 17:31:17 GMT 1
I've always wondered why the 49 goes to Monkswood Gate, not Seacroft Monkswood Gate.
Also the 548 goes to Nunnery Lane, not Rastrick Nunnery Lane.
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Post by A1YBG on May 5, 2016 18:45:25 GMT 1
I know the ex evening 63A used to go somewhere forgot the name that was just a street name rather than a town
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Post by Craig on May 5, 2016 20:48:43 GMT 1
Can we include First Bradford's liberal use of adding Broadway as a via point?
I particularly like the example of service 670. Buses leaving Bradford for Leeds show Broadway as a via point for the whole 1hr+ journey, when it passes Broadway the first stop after departing. Also short journeys between Greengates-Leeds somehow seem to serve the Broadway. I'm sure there's plenty of other examples.
Years ago there used to be more strange ones. 508s leaving Leeds showing the hamlet of Commons as its destination, Steep Lane on a 576 leaving Bradford, or the 71 from Bradford to Primley Park. Plenty more examples I'm sure.
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Post by Craig on May 5, 2016 20:49:23 GMT 1
I know the ex evening 63A used to go somewhere forgot the name that was just a street name rather than a town Sent from my D6603 using proboards Ivy Street |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 5, 2016 21:05:18 GMT 1
Yes whereas showing "via The Broadway" on cross city routes or on journeys to Bradford that do pass The Broadway is ok, on journeys out of Bradford like you describe it seems daft. And the Greengates one is plain wrong.
They also do it on short X6 journeys leaving Huddersfield "X6 Bradford via The Broadway"
The small village of Eldwick has always had top billing, particularly when the 622 used to run from Huddersfield, and the Atlanteans and Olympians just displayed the ultimate destination without any via points. In the same era the 504 used to leave Huddersfield showing 'Riley Lane'
Balmoral Avenue is another one of those that is probably more famous as a destination of many buses than being just a short street in Huddersfield.
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Post by SCH117X on May 5, 2016 22:18:52 GMT 1
Can we include First Bradford's liberal use of adding Broadway as a via point? I particularly like the example of service 670. Buses leaving Bradford for Leeds show Broadway as a via point for the whole 1hr+ journey, when it passes Broadway the first stop after departing. In this day and age I would have thought it possible to link up destis, GPS and next bus systems so that such via displays would disappear when no longer relevant. |
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Post by stevieinselby on May 5, 2016 22:48:54 GMT 1
Back when First used to run the buses between York and Holme-on-Spalding-Moor – a small village in the East Riding about 20 miles away – the buses towards York used to display "Merchantgate" as the destination. Even within York there are lots of people who wouldn't know that that was a city centre terminus, let alone from further afield!
A current one that bemuses me slightly is the 220 from Doncaster to Cortonwood, which as far as I can tell is a retail park about 15 miles away, not one that I had ever heard of until I saw it on the buses and wondered where it was – for a route that passes through such significant-sized towns as Conisbrough, Mexborough, Wath-upon-Dearne and Wombwell, it seems a bit of an ignominious end to the journey!
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Post by yorkshire on May 5, 2016 23:05:36 GMT 1
A current one that bemuses me slightly is the 220 from Doncaster to Cortonwood, which as far as I can tell is a retail park about 15 miles away, not one that I had ever heard of until I saw it on the buses and wondered where it was – for a route that passes through such significant-sized towns as Conisbrough, Mexborough, Wath-upon-Dearne and Wombwell, it seems a bit of an ignominious end to the journey! South Yorkshire is a weird place for some bus routes if you not been brought up in the area. |
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Post by dwarfer1979 on May 6, 2016 8:14:25 GMT 1
Can we include First Bradford's liberal use of adding Broadway as a via point? I particularly like the example of service 670. Buses leaving Bradford for Leeds show Broadway as a via point for the whole 1hr+ journey, when it passes Broadway the first stop after departing. In this day and age I would have thought it possible to link up destis, GPS and next bus systems so that such via displays would disappear when no longer relevant. It is but, as always, it is nowhere near as simple as it may appear to be on the outside. The biggest issue is the tracking systems are not as reliable as people seem to think, they are getting better quicker but we are still not universal, there are still dead spots and coverage outside big cities can still be a bit patchy and it will always be reliant on accurate data entry at all points (all it needs is for a driver to enter 1 digit wrong for the system to not recognise what it is doing) and if the tracking isn't working then the risk is the blind then won't display anything. Also it still requires the data to be entered & set up with someone telling the system when to switch displays so there will always be a human element where errors could creep in. The technology is just beginning to mature to the point it is feasible (Aren't Transdev doing this on the new 36 buses?) and it will become wider in the future (it is a lot of work for operators with a lot of routes to set it all up so it will not be an overnight switch at any point) and we are not yet at the point where all operators have RTI systems like this, or any tracking in many cases, so it is unlikely to become widespread any time soon. |
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on May 6, 2016 9:39:06 GMT 1
Back when First used to run the buses between York and Holme-on-Spalding-Moor – a small village in the East Riding about 20 miles away – the buses towards York used to display "Merchantgate" as the destination. Even within York there are lots of people who wouldn't know that that was a city centre terminus, let alone from further afield! A current one that bemuses me slightly is the 220 from Doncaster to Cortonwood, which as far as I can tell is a retail park about 15 miles away, not one that I had ever heard of until I saw it on the buses and wondered where it was – for a route that passes through such significant-sized towns as Conisbrough, Mexborough, Wath-upon-Dearne and Wombwell, it seems a bit of an ignominious end to the journey! how abouts Arrive buses leaving Doncaster showing "Abbotts Road" |
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Post by Burnside on May 6, 2016 15:01:25 GMT 1
To be fair, if you're not familiar with an area most destinations are probably confusing, but certainly destinations that are streets are particularly odd.
Fell Lane is an odd one as not only is it a lane, but it has become the name used for the local vicinity.
How many people over the years will have thought Haworth Road was in Haworth?
Not sure if there's a convent on Nunnery Lane?
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Post by driver6540 on May 6, 2016 23:39:30 GMT 1
Yes whereas showing "via The Broadway" on cross city routes or on journeys to Bradford that do pass The Broadway is ok, on journeys out of Bradford like you describe it seems daft. And the Greengates one is plain wrong. They also do it on short X6 journeys leaving Huddersfield "X6 Bradford via The Broadway" The small village of Eldwick has always had top billing, particularly when the 622 used to run from Huddersfield, and the Atlanteans and Olympians just displayed the ultimate destination without any via points. In the same era the 504 used to leave Huddersfield showing 'Riley Lane' Balmoral Avenue is another one of those that is probably more famous as a destination of many buses than being just a short street in Huddersfield. Balmoral Avenue definitely isn't just a short street in Huddersfield, It's quite a long road which links Crosland Moor to Beaumont Park. According to statistics the 328 Bradley to Balmoral Avenue route passes through the areas where 60% of Huddersfield's population live, So it's a sure fire bet most (if not all) passengers will know where Balmoral Avenue is. The 328 arrives at Balmoral through Crosland Moor, then onto Beaumont Park and back through Crosland Moor on its return to Hudds town centre then Bradley. Given the final part of the journey is almost a "circular" linking Crosland Moor, Butternab and Beaumont Park, it makes sense for the desti to show Balmoral, as it's the street that links the individual destinations served. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 8:19:41 GMT 1
Many years ago when I was young I wondered why the majority of the United buses in Scarborough all went to the mysterious place of SERVICE!!
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 7, 2016 8:45:07 GMT 1
Back in the 90s, buses on the 380/381 used to leave Brighouse showing Balmoral Avenue, which might have been confusing as those services didn't actually go there, in fact they used to change number into a 361 anywhere between Birkby and Huddersfield, fitting in with the 361s that had come from Brackenhall.
There is no consistency with the things discussed in this thread, it's generally just continuing with what has always happened historically probably back to the days of the corporation buses. I quite like the old traditions being maintained.
Also in the 90s the 548 used to run to Rastrick Sun Inn and display just Rastrick, the 549 was Nunnery Lane, which of course is also in Rastrick but didn't say as much!
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Post by tinrocket on May 7, 2016 11:10:53 GMT 1
I remember Jumbles Lane being displayed on 110 buses back in the late 90s, was never sure why as none ever terminated there.
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Post by shedman on May 7, 2016 13:35:52 GMT 1
I remember Jumbles Lane being displayed on 110 buses back in the late 90s, was never sure why as none ever terminated there. Not sure on the current timetable but the third to last one off Kettlethorpe used to terminate there with the second to last terminating at Outwood Church and the final one was either Wakefield bus station or BI depot |
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Post by Penfold on May 7, 2016 21:43:36 GMT 1
I remember Jumbles Lane being displayed on 110 buses back in the late 90s, was never sure why as none ever terminated there. Not sure on the current timetable but the third to last one off Kettlethorpe used to terminate there with the second to last terminating at Outwood Church and the final one was either Wakefield bus station or BI depot Don't think any now finish at Wakefield or BI from Kettlethorpe but there are still the ones that finish at Jumbles Lane and Outwood Church. The last one out of Leeds (2315 ?) runs through to (and finishes at) Belle Isle Penfold |
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Post by Penfold on May 7, 2016 21:49:12 GMT 1
2300 446 from Wakefield finishes at Wood Lane End.
2255 194 from Barnsley finishes in Sandal (but in reality its Belle Isle depot)
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on May 7, 2016 23:25:05 GMT 1
And of course the old 446 journey from Barnsley to (Rothwell) John O Gaunts.
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Post by redpanda on May 8, 2016 20:17:44 GMT 1
I'm going out of West Yorkshire and into Merseyside, close to where Vulcan Works once stood in Newton le Willows. '34A St Helens to Catherine Way, Vulcan Vilage' according to the PTE and ANW. Destys says Acorn Street instead of Catherine Way. Even more odd is that there's a community hospital as well by Catherine Way. To make it even more confusing it was once via Bradlegh Road.
I know it's Merseyside but it's one very confusing route that is worth a look.
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Post by 112jct41 on May 8, 2016 20:21:56 GMT 1
Arriva have Frank Lane on the dewsbury buses for 281/282/283 although they only terminate there in bad snow conditions. Arriva also still have 262 info on the dewsbury & hecky buses (deckers included) althougharriva hasn't run the route for a few years (sunday only).
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Post by Kenton Schweppes on May 15, 2016 10:30:29 GMT 1
Back in the 90s, buses on the 380/381 used to leave Brighouse showing Balmoral Avenue, which might have been confusing as those services didn't actually go there, in fact they used to change number into a 361 anywhere between Birkby and Huddersfield, fitting in with the 361s that had come from Brackenhall. There is no consistency with the things discussed in this thread, it's generally just continuing with what has always happened historically probably back to the days of the corporation buses. I quite like the old traditions being maintained. Also in the 90s the 548 used to run to Rastrick Sun Inn and display just Rastrick, the 549 was Nunnery Lane, which of course is also in Rastrick but didn't say as much! I have to take issue with the use of Brackenhall too. The name Brackenhall relates to the estate and as most of estate has now been demolished I'm not sure it still should be used. As someone who grew up round there, to me that area is Sheepridge and not Brackenhall, which was just the name of the sprawling council estate, which as I said, has almost all gone. If someone asked me where Brackenhall was I would just say it was the estate from Bradley Boulevard, Long Hill Road and it finished by Ashbrow Junior School. There is a Brackenhall Road but thats deffo not in Brackenhall. As for Balmoral Avenue, I always used to wonder where it was as a kid!! But this is historical is the use of Balmoral Avenue, it's always been, it is the connecting road between Beaumont Park and Crosland Moor, as pointed out by one poster. |
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Post by chrisboy96 on May 15, 2016 16:39:42 GMT 1
Limewood on the 50/A service, not sure wether it's used but it's in there.
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