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Post by gledhill56 on Mar 3, 2017 18:43:01 GMT 1
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 3, 2017 19:15:33 GMT 1
How many buses have Yorkshire Tiger had go up in flames now?
More buses have been written off in this fleet than the whole of First WY, AY & Transdev put together.
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Post by driver6540 on Mar 3, 2017 22:46:33 GMT 1
How many buses have Yorkshire Tiger had go up in flames now? More buses have been written off in this fleet than the whole of First WY, AY & Transdev put together. I was thinking the same myself, A tradition started by Stagecoach with their self combusting B6/Spryte's operating out of Waterloo.
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Post by gooderson1 on Mar 3, 2017 23:37:40 GMT 1
What do can a company expect when they operate a large quantity of "caste offs"
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Post by kendall17 on Mar 3, 2017 23:56:50 GMT 1
What do can a company expect when they operate a large quantity of "caste offs" They're the Magic Bus of Arriva. They're bound to get them.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 4, 2017 0:35:20 GMT 1
What do can a company expect when they operate a large quantity of "caste offs" You expect second hand buses to set on fire? In any case most of the buses that have been burnt out were new, this MCV isn't really a cast off and neither were all the solos.
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Post by baldman on Mar 16, 2017 0:26:18 GMT 1
They are a low budget arm off Arriva so really do you expect their vehicles to be of say a max/Sapphire/frequenta standard? So they may have a few cast offs but what smaller operation outside of first/Stagecoach etc dnt? Even Ay had to ship in some 52 plate lowlanders which hav seen better days as a short term fix once the presidents decided to fall apart & let's face it how many of the spectra's look decent now? Yeah some of the vehicles aren't in the best nick but I was in Huddersfield Friday afternoon and saw several Tiger single & double deckers that looked very well compared to other vehicles I had seen in the Wakefield and Leeds area earlier in the day. They do the best they can with the resources/vehicles they have
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Post by scania60065 on Mar 16, 2017 20:10:45 GMT 1
They are a low budget arm off Arriva so really do you expect their vehicles to be of say a max/Sapphire/frequenta standard? So they may have a few cast offs but what smaller operation outside of first/Stagecoach etc dnt? Even Ay had to ship in some 52 plate lowlanders which hav seen better days as a short term fix once the presidents decided to fall apart & let's face it how many of the spectra's look decent now? Yeah some of the vehicles aren't in the best nick but I was in Huddersfield Friday afternoon and saw several Tiger single & double deckers that looked very well compared to other vehicles I had seen in the Wakefield and Leeds area earlier in the day. They do the best they can with the resources/vehicles they have The presidents was non dda.. N the spectras look good still in my opinion
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Mar 16, 2017 22:25:56 GMT 1
I wonder why Arriva don't use Tiger to go down the road of marketing a Magic Bus type brand with cheap fares using the existing old stock they have here there and everywhere, e.g. the Darts in the North East. Would come in handy for beating off competition from Station Coaches, M Travel etc. Must admit, I'd rather have cheap fares than a flashy bus and I bet there's a lot more like me fed up paying over the odds.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 18:42:50 GMT 1
What do can a company expect when they operate a large quantity of "caste offs" What a load of rubbish that statement is, vehicles catch fire a multitude of reasons, electrical, fuel leaks, blown turbos and as seen in london and elsewhere can be brand new vehicles!!!
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Post by 1601 on Mar 17, 2017 23:10:59 GMT 1
This is what I think....
Yorkshire Tiger is getting what they deserve, grumpy staff, driving like drunk people, breaking the buses by driving so immature...
The fleet is completely s..!
Old tatty vehicles that can't even be alocated onto the correct route with yorkshire tiger buses on tiger blue bus routes etc...
Scrap Yorkshire Tiger completely, let Arriva or First fill in the rest..
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Post by mutty on Mar 17, 2017 23:48:45 GMT 1
This is what I think.... Yorkshire Tiger is getting what they deserve, grumpy staff, driving like drunk people, breaking the buses by driving so immature... The fleet is completely s..! Old tatty vehicles that can't even be alocated onto the correct route with yorkshire tiger buses on tiger blue bus routes etc... Scrap Yorkshire Tiger completely, let Arriva or First fill in the rest.. Agreed, think it's time to put the tiger down, Arriva Dewsbury can take on their 262 route and wakey the 231/2, the rest of their routes can go to first, but doubt they'd want any of that rubbish ! It's a shame this whole operation has gone downhill since Yorkshire Traction was bought out.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 17, 2017 23:57:30 GMT 1
Sorry but this thread is now just basically stupid and has crossed the line from a proper discussion to just something that is worse in quality than you might get below a story in the Daily Mail, and for the future of the forum I think it's best if this topic is moved on from.
Also none of the above posts are fleet news so are in the wrong thread anyway.
If Arriva Yorkshire ran the services I doubt we'd be seeing Sapphire buses running the hourly rural bus to Ripponden, and if the routes were "given to First" maybe they could trade in the slightly scruffy buses on the Denby Dale route with some high quality W reg ALX400s with 17 year old interiors on a reduced frequency. That would be better for passengers...
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Post by dimmock87 on Mar 18, 2017 2:08:51 GMT 1
If arriva were to put Tiger down they'd be stuck with a load of vehicles they would have to shift on. Have to make a ton of staff redundancy's and pay all them off. As well as terminating leases on vehicles and depots they maybe be renting. Unless Tiger was losing money hand over fist then yeah it would be justified in putting bullet into the company and closing it down. However all you hear on here is rumours of this and the company is shite and their not doing this or they should be doing that. Their new depot at Wombwell has been up n running a few months so the Tiger brand must be going in the right not the wrong direction!
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Post by rider5521 on Mar 18, 2017 10:41:52 GMT 1
This is what I think.... Yorkshire Tiger is getting what they deserve, grumpy staff, driving like drunk people, breaking the buses by driving so immature... The fleet is completely s..! Old tatty vehicles that can't even be alocated onto the correct route with yorkshire tiger buses on tiger blue bus routes etc... Scrap Yorkshire Tiger completely, let Arriva or First fill in the rest.. Interesting statement... Can you please quantify your statement that all staff are grumpy, drive like drunk people, and break buses by driving immature? There is no allocation for tiger blue as they are being repainted into orange as one brand. I Can imagine the scene...Doris from Kirkheaton waiting for the bus to Town at 0930, to her horror it's not an orange bus, she demands the driver take it back, bring an orange one and apologise to the community, a petition evolves, the MP becomes involved, questions are asked in parliament, The Prime Minister is forced to legislate against this branding scandal....oh no in real life she would get on the bus say hello to the driver and probably say something along the lines of "ooh a posh bus today". Would advocate if we are setting a bar on immaturity your post determines a level which I think is low enough. It does paint a picture in my view what is wrong with bus enthusiasm today. Rather then enjoying the industry, enjoying it ups and downs and genuinely being aghast by the odd shock which would make for great respectful and well though discussions when we met at bus rallies etc, we now seek to have a new generation of what I can only describe as keyboard warriors. I read with absolute amazement some of the ill educated crass comments and vitriol towards certain operators, most recently LOT which some people seemed to get a bulge in their trousers over its demise even though some people lost money and jobs as a result. The industry is fully of people who work really hard from a managerial level to drivers, cleaners, and shunters working on some very tight margins and pressure that I doubt some of the keyboard warriors running virtual bus companies after their shift at McDonald's could never imagine (I thought I would have a crack at this bitchy negativity stuff for a change lol). Anyway back to the point, it's a crying shame we can't offer a critique in a more educated way, yes Tiger has some issues and they have made some strides and will continue to do so, but come on ladies and gents defaming over 300 of their drivers is plainly so far on the end of the ridiculous scale it beggars belief. Enjoy this great industry and remember, we live in a country where people can innovate, and challenge the status quo if not happy through hard work, for example if Tiger are the villain of the peace at the moment, get the old CPC qualification taken (roughly £1000), have a healthy bank with approx £100,000 working capital and a good overdraft facility, find and lease an operating centre, buy some buses, hire some staff... There are some great people who have built up businesses this way. Nothing is impossible but you have to get from behind your beyond. Here endeth my sermon. Have a great day.
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Post by andy1 on Mar 18, 2017 20:26:26 GMT 1
Was talking to a guy from Ripponden i know the other day,told me he was talking to a Tiger driver on the X58 to Rochdale, who told him Tiger are going to start operating to Oldham from Halifax and create a circular, incorporating an Oldham to Rochdale section to connect with the X58! Very interesting, and great news if this historic service is to be resurrected, but only low cost operators like Tiger could do this , Firsts costs are way to high now and innovation due to budget constraints lacking.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Mar 18, 2017 20:49:04 GMT 1
I've always thought Denshaw should have a link with Rochdale as the two are quite close by. Maybe this possible Tiger Oldham to Rochdale link will go via Denshaw.
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Post by gooderson1 on Mar 18, 2017 20:57:23 GMT 1
There would appear to be 2 possible problems with Tiger running between Oldham and Rochdale unless it is iNtended to service roads not currently used by a bus. 1) First 409 running every 10 minutes day time Mon-Sat and every 15 mins day time Sunday and less frequently at other times. 2) Whist not serving the same route as the 409 there is a frequent tram service linking both locations.
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Post by driver6540 on Mar 22, 2017 23:08:49 GMT 1
This is what I think.... Yorkshire Tiger is getting what they deserve, grumpy staff, driving like drunk people, breaking the buses by driving so immature... The fleet is completely s..! Old tatty vehicles that can't even be alocated onto the correct route with yorkshire tiger buses on tiger blue bus routes etc... Scrap Yorkshire Tiger completely, let Arriva or First fill in the rest.. Interesting statement... Can you please quantify your statement that all staff are grumpy, drive like drunk people, and break buses by driving immature? There is no allocation for tiger blue as they are being repainted into orange as one brand. I Can imagine the scene...Doris from Kirkheaton waiting for the bus to Town at 0930, to her horror it's not an orange bus, she demands the driver take it back, bring an orange one and apologise to the community, a petition evolves, the MP becomes involved, questions are asked in parliament, The Prime Minister is forced to legislate against this branding scandal....oh no in real life she would get on the bus say hello to the driver and probably say something along the lines of "ooh a posh bus today". Would advocate if we are setting a bar on immaturity your post determines a level which I think is low enough. It does paint a picture in my view what is wrong with bus enthusiasm today. Rather then enjoying the industry, enjoying it ups and downs and genuinely being aghast by the odd shock which would make for great respectful and well though discussions when we met at bus rallies etc, we now seek to have a new generation of what I can only describe as keyboard warriors. I read with absolute amazement some of the ill educated crass comments and vitriol towards certain operators, most recently LOT which some people seemed to get a bulge in their trousers over its demise even though some people lost money and jobs as a result. The industry is fully of people who work really hard from a managerial level to drivers, cleaners, and shunters working on some very tight margins and pressure that I doubt some of the keyboard warriors running virtual bus companies after their shift at McDonald's could never imagine (I thought I would have a crack at this bitchy negativity stuff for a change lol). Anyway back to the point, it's a crying shame we can't offer a critique in a more educated way, yes Tiger has some issues and they have made some strides and will continue to do so, but come on ladies and gents defaming over 300 of their drivers is plainly so far on the end of the ridiculous scale it beggars belief. Enjoy this great industry and remember, we live in a country where people can innovate, and challenge the status quo if not happy through hard work, for example if Tiger are the villain of the peace at the moment, get the old CPC qualification taken (roughly £1000), have a healthy bank with approx £100,000 working capital and a good overdraft facility, find and lease an operating centre, buy some buses, hire some staff... There are some great people who have built up businesses this way. Nothing is impossible but you have to get from behind your beyond. Here endeth my sermon. Have a great day. What a cracking response, rider5521. Best post i've seen on this forum for ages. Goes without saying, i agree wholeheartedly with your comments.
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Post by 77syk7 on Mar 23, 2017 17:49:47 GMT 1
The Halifax - Oldham - Rochdale - Halifax circular does sound like an interesting 'fantasy route' I would indeed appreciate the return of a Halifax - Oldham service which links into the routes in Greater Manchester. However, despite the X12 / 562 former routes which linked Bradford - Halifax - Oldham - Manchester for many decades, it has to be acknowledged there is nothing but sheep (and frequent mist/rain) between the 6 miles of Rishworth and Denshaw. A complete round trip may take around 3 hours - so 2 buses could be used on a combined 90 minute frequency, the Ripponden - Blackstone Reservoir being more than adequately covered by the 900/901. Cannot see much additional traffic being picked up on the very urban Rochdale-Oldham section. However, an interesting proposal.
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Post by 69340 on Mar 24, 2017 21:17:18 GMT 1
771 now back on the road at Waterloo after being fixed at ossett
906 now at Waterloo
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