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Post by 112jct41 on Jul 9, 2016 7:54:29 GMT 1
Any fans of 57 and 58 should catch them while you can. These are likely to join 662 in the reserve pool from 23rd July as Dewsbury are receiving two Pulsars from Castleford to replace them. Of course, this may also mean that 57 and 58 get a bit of a tour before being withdrawn depending on demand for spare vehicles. eh that doesnt make sense as dewsbury lost 1479-81 to Castleford in the last fleet shuffle. Also why would the bosses have bothered to make them DDA compliant knowing it was only for a few months. If vehicles need to go at dewsbury then its 1005-1008 as they're awful buses and aren't all that good on the hilly sections of the routes the go on either.
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Post by wakey110 on Jul 9, 2016 8:26:27 GMT 1
Castleford require two less buses from July. In the overall picture 57 and 58 are the oldest singles in the fleet and the natural buses next in line to come off.
The DDA conversion won't be wasted as they may well see some further use and may be sold on in the future.
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Post by wibble on Jul 9, 2016 8:58:24 GMT 1
57 and 58 are on a lease. The lease comes to an end Feb 2017, they can't sell them as they don't own them, I believe the plan is to return them at end of lease.
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Post by whereami on Jul 9, 2016 10:53:23 GMT 1
57 and 58 are on a lease. The lease comes to an end Feb 2017, they can't sell them as they don't own them, I believe the plan is to return them at end of lease. 14 year old vehicles are NOT Leased. 57 & 58 were bought off ABC when Aztecbird/Pegasus folded somewhere around 2002/3, at a reduced favourable price. Arriva OWN 57 & 58 and have done since the above dates!!!!
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Post by Penfold on Jul 9, 2016 11:00:52 GMT 1
57 and 58 are on a lease. The lease comes to an end Feb 2017, they can't sell them as they don't own them, I believe the plan is to return them at end of lease. 14 year old vehicles are NOT Leased. 57 & 58 were bought off ABC when Aztecbird/Pegasus folded somewhere around 2002/3, at a reduced favourable price. Arriva OWN 57 & 58 and have done since the above dates!!!! Dont hold me to this but I was told a a couple of years ago that the 700 Spectras were still on lease from a company called (AFAIK) TransBus Leasings (part of the Arriva group). Whether this has changed since I dont know. Penfold
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Post by whereami on Jul 9, 2016 11:11:28 GMT 1
14 year old vehicles are NOT Leased. 57 & 58 were bought off ABC when Aztecbird/Pegasus folded somewhere around 2002/3, at a reduced favourable price. Arriva OWN 57 & 58 and have done since the above dates!!!! Dont hold me to this but I was told a a couple of years ago that the 700 Spectras were still on lease from a company called (AFAIK) TransBus Leasings (part of the Arriva group). Whether this has changed since I dont know. Penfold I, personally, can't see that, otherwise why not at the end of the lease, say 5 years, get the next batch of new vehicles? I know from my time at Hecky, that every time we got new vehicles, they had to be out earning, to pay for themselves, over 5 years. like when the 08 Volvo's came, you'd find them out on most Sunday routes apart from 229 & 268. But, surely IF Arriva leased all their vehicles (apart from London), then vehicle deliveries would be equalled out? At the moment, ANE, AM, and ANW, seem to get the new vehicles every year.
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Post by wibble on Jul 9, 2016 14:33:16 GMT 1
Dont hold me to this but I was told a a couple of years ago that the 700 Spectras were still on lease from a company called (AFAIK) TransBus Leasings (part of the Arriva group). Whether this has changed since I dont know. Penfold I, personally, can't see that, otherwise why not at the end of the lease, say 5 years, get the next batch of new vehicles? I know from my time at Hecky, that every time we got new vehicles, they had to be out earning, to pay for themselves, over 5 years. like when the 08 Volvo's came, you'd find them out on most Sunday routes apart from 229 & 268. But, surely IF Arriva leased all their vehicles (apart from London), then vehicle deliveries would be equalled out? At the moment, ANE, AM, and ANW, seem to get the new vehicles every year. Engineering manager at Dewsbury uses his budget to pay a monthly payment for 57 and 58. Those payments stop at Feb 2017. There is an option to purchase the said vehicles after Feb 2017. Interpret that agreement how you wish.
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Post by 112jct41 on Jul 9, 2016 15:42:20 GMT 1
I, personally, can't see that, otherwise why not at the end of the lease, say 5 years, get the next batch of new vehicles? I know from my time at Hecky, that every time we got new vehicles, they had to be out earning, to pay for themselves, over 5 years. like when the 08 Volvo's came, you'd find them out on most Sunday routes apart from 229 & 268. But, surely IF Arriva leased all their vehicles (apart from London), then vehicle deliveries would be equalled out? At the moment, ANE, AM, and ANW, seem to get the new vehicles every year. Engineering manager at Dewsbury uses his budget to pay a monthly payment for 57 and 58. Those payments stop at Feb 2017. There is an option to purchase the said vehicles after Feb 2017. Interpret that agreement how you wish. AY must have 57 & 58 on a rolling lease then. Also they are good buses for in the summer. 57 & 58 get centralised to 253/278/281/282/283 whilst occasionally going on the other runs although did appear regular on 202/203 & 126/127 before the 15 plate e400s arrived.
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Post by trixmax2000 on Jul 9, 2016 19:24:16 GMT 1
You will be surprised how many buses Arriva UK have on lease all of the London LT'S been on lease
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 9, 2016 23:26:20 GMT 1
Plans change all the time but Heckmondwike are getting 52 plate Lowlanders from Leicester and the 1606 to 13 are going to Selby to replace the Presidents and we are keeping the 1808-15 don't know why we can't just have rest of 1800's the standardise the Selby fleet instead of pick and mix Ironically, these Lowlanders are spare from Leicester because of the Enviro 400-MMCs entering service there now. While I shall ride one in September, I wish some could have upgraded a Leeds route, possibly to the modern bus station at Castleford!
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Post by mark51953 on Jul 10, 2016 8:06:16 GMT 1
1004 is on loan at Selby was on town routes yesterday
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2016 16:43:59 GMT 1
Noticed an interesting comment in the programme at Heath Common Running day regarding the Arriva bus used as the Rally control "New buses are due at the time of writing,so fingers crossed we may have one of those if delivered in time". Any idea what these are as all I have heard about are the Midlands cast offs?
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Post by mutty on Jul 10, 2016 17:11:43 GMT 1
Noticed an interesting comment in the programme at Heath Common Running day regarding the Arriva bus used as the Rally control "New buses are due at the time of writing,so fingers crossed we may have one of those if delivered in time". Any idea what these are as all I have heard about are the Midlands cast offs? There was a rumour the enviro 400 MMCS were coming , but not heard nothing since
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Jul 10, 2016 17:13:02 GMT 1
You will be surprised how many buses Arriva UK have on lease all of the London LT'S been on lease Only because that's the only way Boris could get them into service. TfL to purchase the vehicles and then 'lease' them to the operators That's also why most of the conversions are OPO only, as TfL were not prepared to pay any extra to cover the Assistants wages, and the operators didn't see why they should pay out of their profits, when if they were using a conventional bus they wouldn't have to, so the agreement became that NBfLs would run OPO at all times.
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Post by whereami on Jul 10, 2016 23:27:12 GMT 1
Noticed an interesting comment in the programme at Heath Common Running day regarding the Arriva bus used as the Rally control "New buses are due at the time of writing,so fingers crossed we may have one of those if delivered in time". Any idea what these are as all I have heard about are the Midlands cast offs? Maybe, just maybe, that was left over from Last year?
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Post by timelesstable on Jul 11, 2016 7:44:41 GMT 1
Noticed an interesting comment in the programme at Heath Common Running day regarding the Arriva bus used as the Rally control "New buses are due at the time of writing,so fingers crossed we may have one of those if delivered in time". Any idea what these are as all I have heard about are the Midlands cast offs? Maybe, just maybe, that was left over from Last year? Or better still maybe some new Enviros for the 268/268A
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Jul 11, 2016 13:05:58 GMT 1
You will be surprised how many buses Arriva UK have on lease all of the London LT'S been on lease Only because that's the only way Boris could get them into service. TfL to purchase the vehicles and then 'lease' them to the operators That's also why most of the conversions are OPO only, as TfL were not prepared to pay any extra to cover the Assistants wages, and the operators didn't see why they should pay out of their profits, when if they were using a conventional bus they wouldn't have to, so the agreement became that NBfLs would run OPO at all times. The decision has now been taken to make the 6 crew operated route OPO at all times. Go Ahead staff on the 11 were informed this morning that this would be occurring from Saturday 3rd September. Whether all 6 will convert on this date, I don't know.
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Post by mutty on Jul 11, 2016 23:05:24 GMT 1
Heckmondwike's 52 reg lowlanders have started to arrive, looks like 4 were delivered today
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Post by whereami on Jul 12, 2016 7:18:14 GMT 1
Heckmondwike's 52 reg lowlanders have started to arrive, looks like 4 were delivered today One has gone to Hecky, the other 3, have been parked at Dewsbury for the moment.
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Post by 112jct41 on Jul 12, 2016 12:02:30 GMT 1
Heckmondwike's 52 reg lowlanders have started to arrive, looks like 4 were delivered today so if there 8 06 reg (1606-13) off from Hecky to Selby then Hecky potentially are going to gain 8 52/02 plate lowlanders (possibly 1614-21 if they choose to continue the numbering on like when dewsbury and wake gained their E400s last year)
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Post by A1YBG on Jul 12, 2016 15:31:01 GMT 1
Heckmondwike's 52 reg lowlanders have started to arrive, looks like 4 were delivered today so if there 8 06 reg (1606-13) off from Hecky to Selby then Hecky potentially are going to gain 8 52/02 plate lowlanders (possibly 1614-21 if they choose to continue the numbering on like when dewsbury and wake gained their E400s last year) 1620 to 1628 Heckmondwike and it's 9 that they are getting. Sent from my D6603 using proboards
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Post by 112jct41 on Jul 12, 2016 18:21:47 GMT 1
so if there 8 06 reg (1606-13) off from Hecky to Selby then Hecky potentially are going to gain 8 52/02 plate lowlanders (possibly 1614-21 if they choose to continue the numbering on like when dewsbury and wake gained their E400s last year) 1620 to 1628 Heckmondwike and it's 9 that they are getting. Sent from my D6603 using proboards eh, so are Castleford gaining some with 1600-1605 venturing to selby then and also is the extra so 1535 can go back to BI???
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Post by mark51953 on Jul 13, 2016 7:31:57 GMT 1
Selby are only getting the 8 to replace the presidents Castleford won't get any
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Post by 112jct41 on Jul 13, 2016 11:35:47 GMT 1
Selby are only getting the 8 to replace the presidents Castleford won't get any right so a) why are Hecky getting 9 of them and b) why not logical continue the 1600 fleet numbers on from 1614 instead of skipping dom to start 1620-28 (this is like what heppened with the pulsars when 1450-53 arrived at BI))
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Jul 13, 2016 12:01:52 GMT 1
Selby are only getting the 8 to replace the presidents Castleford won't get any right so a) why are Hecky getting 9 of them and b) why not logical continue the 1600 fleet numbers on from 1614 instead of skipping dom to start 1620-28 (this is like what heppened with the pulsars when 1450-53 arrived at BI)) Quite often happens, especially with Stagecoach. Each years order starts at the next available fleet number ending in '1', rather than continuing from the end of the previous batch.
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