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Post by gooderson1 on Apr 9, 2016 9:07:45 GMT 1
Thanks for the explanation re the FTB on the 911. There is a comment above stating "new management starting soon I believe. Someone who actually cares about presentation". We can only live in hopes.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Apr 9, 2016 13:24:16 GMT 1
Thanks for the explanation re the FTB on the 911. There is a comment above stating "new management starting soon I believe. Someone who actually cares about presentation". We can only live in hopes. I'm led to believe that despite not being due to start with Tiger until Monday, they've already been have a discussion with other members of management over the poor destination displays (paper in window, blinds scrolling with garbage etc), hence the ex Arriva B7TLs with BrightTech displays now being programmed.
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Post by gooderson1 on Apr 9, 2016 15:10:27 GMT 1
Sorry but programming BrightTech displays will not improve the internal and external state of the vehicles. This is a fleet of multicolour so rather than orange or blue. It's a paint brush, broom, and newer buses that are required along with a change of attitude by staff.
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Post by 112jct41 on Apr 9, 2016 16:56:21 GMT 1
Sorry but programming BrightTech displays will not improve the internal and external state of the vehicles. This is a fleet of multicolour so rather than orange or blue. It's a paint brush, broom, and newer buses that are required along with a change of attitude by staff. No not so fast. Theres some of the current fleet (excluding arriva transfers) that need painting up, then they need to replace the vechiles destoryed in the fire at Elland and ones withdrawn and stripped down e.g. 380 at Waterloo and 846 at Leeds. Once the current fleet is sorted out then get new or second hand decent buses eg. Buy YJ58FFL and YJ59AYX from Arriva B&C. However with 900 & 901 off to TLC and 911 to Stotts and if it is true leeds is losing its runs bar the aiports they may downsize the fleet.
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Post by gooderson1 on Apr 9, 2016 19:09:41 GMT 1
The problems with painting or lack of painting, state of vehicles inside and out, attitude of staff has been ongoing since the rebranding of the company after Arriva took it over. Whilst I appreciate the need to replace vehicles lost in a fire in a hurry to maintain services, loss of tenders either indicate pricing to high compared with other operators or unsatisfactory performance as judged by Metro.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 9, 2016 19:28:48 GMT 1
Wouldn't say it's been ongoing from the start, bear in mind this time last year for example, the Halifax fleet was fully repainted, fully refurbished, some new, all modern, and all looking very smart. Across the whole fleet there were no buses in Arriva livery, only a couple still in Centrebus livery.
It's only in the last year or so it's gone rapidly down hill.
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Post by 112jct41 on Apr 9, 2016 20:07:52 GMT 1
Wouldn't say it's been ongoing from the start, bear in mind this time last year for example, the Halifax fleet was fully repainted, fully refurbished, some new, all modern, and all looking very smart. Across the whole fleet there were no buses in Arriva livery, only a couple still in Centrebus livery. It's only in the last year or so it's gone rapidly down hill. I wouldn't say a full year the last 4 months yes but not a full year. On the other hand it has been 16 months of non-stop catastrophies, the most recent 885 (ex AY686) "malfunctioning" and having its accident in halifax town centre. Now in regards to apperence of the fleet, 624 has been fixed up but one thing I dont get is why withdraw 380 and not 335 & 336 first?!?!
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Post by gooderson1 on Apr 10, 2016 16:44:54 GMT 1
The company operate the 323 Huddersfield-Marten Nest-Huddersfield under contract to Metro on Sunday's. At lunchtime today a Marten Nest bound vehicle was parked at the bus stop(with passengers) in Netherton. The driver opened his window and emptied the remaining contents of his coffee out of the window then moved off to continue his journey. Another brilliant advert for the company.
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Post by gooderson1 on Apr 10, 2016 16:52:09 GMT 1
I assume that this is a "low cost" unit within the Arriva group. They run the 231/2 (Huddersfield-Wakefield) Mon-Sat. How can the parent company(Arriva and First) win evening and Sunday tenders when they have higher operating costs.
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Post by mutty on Apr 10, 2016 17:48:55 GMT 1
I assume that this is a "low cost" unit within the Arriva group. They run the 231/2 (Huddersfield-Wakefield) Mon-Sat. How can the parent company(Arriva and First) win evening and Sunday tenders when they have higher operating costs. Yes , it's arriva's low cost venture! Yorkshire tiger don't operate many evening services
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Post by stevieinselby on Apr 10, 2016 19:50:06 GMT 1
I assume that this is a "low cost" unit within the Arriva group. They run the 231/2 (Huddersfield-Wakefield) Mon-Sat. How can the parent company(Arriva and First) win evening and Sunday tenders when they have higher operating costs. It may be down to drivers' terms and conditions. I believe that if drivers are on a contract that requires them to work some "anti-social" shifts, eg evenings and/or Sundays, then they will often be paid a bit more, whereas companies that go for a low-cost approach can attract drivers with a lower headline salary if they promise no evening or Sunday working.
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Post by gooderson1 on Apr 10, 2016 21:45:43 GMT 1
I can understand that but a while later they gained the 321 on Sunday's from First. Just seems strange to me
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Post by driver6540 on Apr 10, 2016 22:22:37 GMT 1
The company operate the 323 Huddersfield-Marten Nest-Huddersfield under contract to Metro on Sunday's. At lunchtime today a Marten Nest bound vehicle was parked at the bus stop(with passengers) in Netherton. The driver opened his window and emptied the remaining contents of his coffee out of the window then moved off to continue his journey. Another brilliant advert for the company. Is that really a major deal?. Providing the said driver didn't throw his coffee over his passengers, and drove his vehicle in a safe, courteous and professional manner, then realistically what's he done wrong?. Drivers are only human and entitled to a brew. What's he supposed to do with his dregs, tip em out on the floor and watch his passengers slip up on them?.
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Post by MT on Apr 11, 2016 0:16:10 GMT 1
This whole thread just seems to be about how 'gooderson' doesn't like tiger. Tipping coffee drops out of a cup?
The other day I saw a driver yawn without covering his mouth
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Apr 11, 2016 6:47:45 GMT 1
He should have put it in the bin, even though it's only tea it's still littering and litter attracts vermin, a bit like a large squashed rat that I saw in the middle of the road leading to Hardcastle Craggs right next to somebody's house, to be fair I've seen too many drivers of throw things from their vehicles, you never see this in Scandinavia, it's about time the British respected the environment and not come up with the lazy excuse that their providing work for litter pickers as I've heard more than enough!
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Post by gooderson1 on Apr 11, 2016 7:33:18 GMT 1
MT sorry you feel that way. It does not show the company in a good light by emptying a cup out of a window. You could have been pairing and the contents of the cup landed on your windscreen, no damage but startling to you as you would have not been prepared for it to happen. I am all for the smaller operator and it was a good operation. Things improved with the rebranding and new vehicles were obtained. Then the "man in charge" left to go to Berkshire and the operation started to go down hill. It needs better vehicles to replace some it is using, the repainting finished, and a different attitude by drivers. As Imsaid sorry you feel that way.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Apr 11, 2016 8:43:24 GMT 1
I assume that this is a "low cost" unit within the Arriva group. They run the 231/2 (Huddersfield-Wakefield) Mon-Sat. How can the parent company(Arriva and First) win evening and Sunday tenders when they have higher operating costs. I was informed that the 231/232 tenders were given to other operators when Stagecoach made the decision to sell the depot, and take the promised 6 new buses with them!
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Post by britannia94 on Apr 11, 2016 9:43:14 GMT 1
Hi guys totally new to this forum so thanks for having me . I would just thought i would give you my experience using Yorkshire tiger buses as I use there airport services a lot to get to and from work. One thing I have noticed recently is that some of the buses they could use are in really need of not only a lick of paint, on the front of one the scannias the bumper is showing a white colour where it's been scrapped, but some also some of them are in real need of some maintence. In the past month I have known buses to break down on the service, one of which I recall was a Tempo that broke down in Shipley, and on another occasion there was delay by 20 minutes due to fault with the brakes on the bus but the mechanic managed to fix the problem there and then. As for the interior I have caught the early morning buses, usually the very first service in a morning, on a few occasions and noticed the inside to be dirty with litter still dumped all over from the previous day operation with no sign of any cleaner been on board. It doesn't look good for the image of not only the bus company but those who fly to Leeds Bradford international airport and use the bus services for onward connections will see all of this and it could give of a bad view of Yorkshire. Now I have nothing against Yorkshire Tiger as I have always preferred to travel on there services over some of the operators, but this past year or so I have noticed a change to the standards of service which is unfortunate to see.
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Post by MT on Apr 11, 2016 10:40:20 GMT 1
MT sorry you feel that way. It does not show the company in a good light by emptying a cup out of a window. You could have been pairing and the contents of the cup landed on your windscreen, no damage but startling to you as you would have not been prepared for it to happen. I am all for the smaller operator and it was a good operation. Things improved with the rebranding and new vehicles were obtained. Then the "man in charge" left to go to Berkshire and the operation started to go down hill. It needs better vehicles to replace some it is using, the repainting finished, and a different attitude by drivers. As Imsaid sorry you feel that way. I appreciate what you are saying, and I think at larger companies with more driver discipline like First and Arriva you are much less likely to see this sort of thing. But ultimately it's just people, you go to any green space on a sunny weekend and people will be sat in cars in car parks tipping coffee out of flasks. I appreciate in the workplace this does reflect on company image, but a low cost operator with high staff turnover, from my experience usually in part down to poor or disliked management, resulting in low staff moral and unwillingness by staff to make an effort towards improving company image, you will see events like this. There seems to be a lot of nit picking in this thread, like comments about the 'black glue gun' used on 776 interior, I've seen that and it was practically nothing. I've seen far, far worse uses of the black glue gun. I can't comment on Halifax/hudds operations, but I don't think anyone can argue that tiger has gone downhill across the whole fleet, I just think a little perspective on things wouldn't go a miss
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Post by whereami on Apr 11, 2016 11:08:53 GMT 1
I assume that this is a "low cost" unit within the Arriva group. They run the 231/2 (Huddersfield-Wakefield) Mon-Sat. How can the parent company(Arriva and First) win evening and Sunday tenders when they have higher operating costs. I was informed that the 231/232 tenders were given to other operators when Stagecoach made the decision to sell the depot, and take the promised 6 new buses with them! IF, I remember rightly, all the evening tender 231/232's, went to Arriva, went Yorkshire Tiger were still called Yorkshire Traction, before Stagecoach bought them, cos, they were already struggling, back then
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Post by 112jct41 on Apr 11, 2016 20:59:00 GMT 1
I think for now we ought to be grateful they're still running and trying to keep going and wait to see what the next few weeks and months bring with the new Manager starting and see how they progress with a new captain at the helm. At least they've been trying to continue since Martjin left but standards MAY have dropped if ARRIVA UK decided to wait for a permanant replacement before continuing with the repaints and fleet changes. On another note, has anyone any idea when the Optare Metrodecker Demonstrator is due at Waterloo or do we think that will be on hold as well???
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Post by kendall17 on Apr 11, 2016 21:20:00 GMT 1
Apologies for emptying my dregs of tea into the bushes outside work.
There must have been about 5ml of liquid in there.
Do you have the pied piper's number?
TIA
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 11, 2016 21:51:25 GMT 1
I have to agree, pouring a bit of coffee into the road is hardly a big deal, and isn't even really littering. It does seem to have degenerated into nit picking now.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Apr 12, 2016 8:31:40 GMT 1
I can understand that but a while later they gained the 321 on Sunday's from First. Just seems strange to me Bidding for bus tenders is not a simple exercise and basic operator costs are only one aspect and just because an operator has lower costs doesn't mean they can't be underbid. How much an operator wants/needs a contract can dictate where they aim on the scale, you often hear managers say they 'sharpened their pencil' which means they are giving a keener price with less profit/more income assumptions to gain the work (it may be to gain/defend a market or a piece of work may integrate well with other work to improve the position of the network as a whole) whilst at the other end if you don't really want the work you will price higher (if you are going to win it then it needs to be worth your while). There will be differences on terms & conditions which will affect relative prices on non-core hours work as well as staff preferences and recruitment issues. Existing duties will also have an impact when you start looking at evening work, having some evening work can help spread the day but too much can unbalance the duties and leave inefficiencies or duties that are unpopular with drivers so that has to be born in mind when bidding (most evening work covers little more than a 4 hour period which is only half a duty so you will need to find the other half of the duty from existing work). How the tender is specced & timetabled will have an impact, it may be balanced from a location that is better served by one operator than the other (using the 231 as a theoretical example if the workings largely start/finish at Wakefield then Arriva would be better placed to win it than Tiger) or on longer routes an operator based more centrally or with multiple operating locations may be better placed or they may be asking for vehicles or extras that an operator can't provide out of existing resources. It will also depend how well scheduled the work is, Metro do not always issue tenders that would make logical & efficient pieces of work for any operator so if a bidder has other work they can combine it with to make it more efficient they will be better placed to gain the work. Existing operators also have an advantage with better knowledge of income (most tenders will include a guide to expected income for a contract but it isn't very detailed and is never as good as the data gained from experience running the bus) & costs (it is already scheduled into your duties so you know exactly how much it costs to cover whereas anyone else has to make some assumptions and add a bit of inefficiency as you don't know how the duties will fit together in the end). In the case of the 231/2 these were lost under Stagecoach so none of the advantages of experience or previous operation exist and it may well be seen as not being a useful piece of work to gain.
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Post by mutty on Apr 12, 2016 18:40:59 GMT 1
I can understand that but a while later they gained the 321 on Sunday's from First. Just seems strange to me Bidding for bus tenders is not a simple exercise and basic operator costs are only one aspect and just because an operator has lower costs doesn't mean they can't be underbid. How much an operator wants/needs a contract can dictate where they aim on the scale, you often hear managers say they 'sharpened their pencil' which means they are giving a keener price with less profit/more income assumptions to gain the work (it may be to gain/defend a market or a piece of work may integrate well with other work to improve the position of the network as a whole) whilst at the other end if you don't really want the work you will price higher (if you are going to win it then it needs to be worth your while). There will be differences on terms & conditions which will affect relative prices on non-core hours work as well as staff preferences and recruitment issues. Existing duties will also have an impact when you start looking at evening work, having some evening work can help spread the day but too much can unbalance the duties and leave inefficiencies or duties that are unpopular with drivers so that has to be born in mind when bidding (most evening work covers little more than a 4 hour period which is only half a duty so you will need to find the other half of the duty from existing work). How the tender is specced & timetabled will have an impact, it may be balanced from a location that is better served by one operator than the other (using the 231 as a theoretical example if the workings largely start/finish at Wakefield then Arriva would be better placed to win it than Tiger) or on longer routes an operator based more centrally or with multiple operating locations may be better placed or they may be asking for vehicles or extras that an operator can't provide out of existing resources. It will also depend how well scheduled the work is, Metro do not always issue tenders that would make logical & efficient pieces of work for any operator so if a bidder has other work they can combine it with to make it more efficient they will be better placed to gain the work. Existing operators also have an advantage with better knowledge of income (most tenders will include a guide to expected income for a contract but it isn't very detailed and is never as good as the data gained from experience running the bus) & costs (it is already scheduled into your duties so you know exactly how much it costs to cover whereas anyone else has to make some assumptions and add a bit of inefficiency as you don't know how the duties will fit together in the end). In the case of the 231/2 these were lost under Stagecoach so none of the advantages of experience or previous operation exist and it may well be seen as not being a useful piece of work to gain. 231/2 operated by Dewsbury depot not Wakefield
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